Condi Rice=Pro Choice

“I just figured that this little tidbit shouldn't escape TT. But I'm sure all of you have heard it from the weekend talk shows.

Condi (yes, there is an "i" in Condoleeza) Rice is Pro-Choice.

And George Bush does not have a litmus test on abortion for federal judges.

And Rudy Giuliani is Pro-Choice.

And John McCain came out vehemently against overturning Roe vs. Wade during the 2000 election before he was pounded into submission by social conservative. Closeted pro-choicer he is.

Why do so many Republicans support killing babies?”

“RL, way to stir the pot, kick the hornets nest...have fun LOL!”

“why do you hate america?











sorry. couldnt resist”

“why does reformed lurker want to send women back to the alleys to have abortions?
last edited: 3/16/05 9:01:00 PM”

“A better and more truthfull question is "Why do so many Democrats support killing late term babies?"
You know, the one's that are within a month or two of being born? Cut up their heads, suck the brains out, then pull the rest of it out.

By the way, I support Pro-Choice, early.
last edited: 3/16/05 9:03:39 PM”

“whoa, the earth is coming to an end!! Stovestomper and I agree on this

if a woman is 1-2 months away from giving birth a abortion is stupid unless there is complications that could cause the mother's death. Then a c-section should work. Babies are born premature all the time
last edited: 3/16/05 9:03:35 PM”

“The next time you need a medical procedure performed, by all means call a minister or a politician to do it.”

“Hey Tiltypoo!!!
Look here!

http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/”

“Am I the only Democrat that feels abortion should be outlawed?

Damn, maybe I am a Republican! I think I need to visit the doctor.”

“You just had a kid, WK.
Completely understandable.”

“All you know about Obstetrics you learned from Pat Robertson.

I'd be genuinely surprised if you'd even heard the word 'obstetrics' before --- much less knew what it referred to.

Here's another one for ya -- 'congenital hydrocephalus'. Go look it up.”

“Ha Ha!
That Tiltypoo, such a clown!”

“And have a Pleasant Tomorrow ----”

“I heard Condi Rice was Black!!!

What is up with that?”

“and genetically pre-disposed to violence!”

“WK..are you Catholic?

I know RL is. That is why he is so against it.”

“i guess the term "like white on rice" doesnt fit her. unless shes a freaky-deaky”

“only white on her is her teeth...ok time for Bison to show up and say that was racist”

“Tiltypoo-
I will!!!!
Got any more really intelligent comments?
You know, ol' buddy Tiltypoo, you are the only guy from Georgia I have ever met, that on hearing another person with a Southern accent, automatically deducts 100 points from their IQ score. Most that do this are from Maryland or Penn.
last edited: 3/16/05 9:45:12 PM”

“how did the south get brought into this?”

“Ahhh, C!B! must have read the thread!”

“wtf are you talking about?!?!! aflac!! what thread?!?!”

“C!B! - that's for me to know and you to find out. ;-)”

“im tired comma old man exclamation point dont futz with me period”

“Abortion, as always, is a sticky subject. Personally I am against a woman having an abortion in circumstances where the sex was consensual. Take responsibility, have the kid and give it up for adoption. There are hundreds of families who want kids who can't have them waiting for a chance to adopt. Of course another side of the coin would be children as a product of rape. What to do with them? Just my two cents.”

“It’s called the wonderful big tent of the republican party. There is room for all in the republican party. We can disagree on things and still be united. Some don’t call it pro-choice, but pro-freedom. Freedom to make decisions for ourselves even if they may not be the right choices.

But I wouldn’t expect someone who paints all republicans with the same brush to understand this concept.”

“But I wouldn’t expect someone who paints all republicans with the same brush to understand this concept.”
Nigal
5:46:21 AM
3/17/05

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!”

“but Nigal, isn't it the Republicans (not all but most) who are trying to overturn abortion?

RL, is a Democrat who happens to be against abortion.”

““but Nigal, isn't it the Republicans (not all but most) who are trying to overturn abortion?"

Who? How? When? The only thing they want is doing away with partial birth abortions except for the most extreme cases.”

““WK..are you Catholic?

I know RL is. That is why he is so against it.”
Ewker
9:37:17 PM
3/16/05
ignore this user

Nope, wife is but she is pro-choice”

“Just because you show up and tithe the church doesn't make you Catholic.”

“Sarge, I can only go by the Catholic's I know. Most are against abortion in any way shape or form. All they want to do is keep spitting out those babies ;)”

“I'm a Republican, Catholic who often votes against Republican candidates. I am pro-choice for early term (less than 2 months) abortion and for late term where the mother is in danger. Is there room in the tent for me Nigal?”

“mandatory abortions all around! woo hoo, par-taaayyyy!”

““I'm a Republican, Catholic who often votes against Republican candidates. I am pro-choice for early term (less than 2 months) abortion and for late term where the mother is in danger. Is there room in the tent for me Nigal?”

absolutely. I'd say the people like you and I make up 50%+ of the republican party.”

“Bateaux, I think those are good rules to live by, and I'd hope that most do. I'm uncomfortable with legislating that, however.”

“Question for anybody who is pro-choice for early term abortions.

Why the cut-off? What is different, in your opinion, about an early-term fetus and a mid-term fetus which allows for the killing of it?”

“When does a fetus become a person?

What does your God say?

Why should I listen to your opinion of it?

What defines a human being?

This is an issue that won't be resolved between people, I'm afraid.”

“Phaedrus - you are not required to participate if you so choose. The forum is strictly voluntary.”

“Abortion is murder, period. Life begins at conception. Unless the mother's health is in danger (at which point it would be justified homicide), there's no excuse to have an abortion.”

“I don't support abortion of any kind. I do however support people's choice to do so.”

“Nigal, may I ask why you don't support abortion?”

“I wonder how many people would change their views if the baby was grown on the outside of the mother where it could be seen.

Out of sight, out of mind I suppose.”

““Question for anybody who is pro-choice for early term abortions.

Why the cut-off? What is different, in your opinion, about an early-term fetus and a mid-term fetus which allows for the killing of it?”
Sarge


For me Sarge it is about development and reaction time. It may take two months for some young person to realize what has happened and make that ultimate decision. The best decision is to be careful in the first place and keep it in your pants. But these things happen. Before 2 months the fetus might as well be a tadpole. After 2 months it starts to take on human form. Education is key to reducing abortion. The more kids know about it the better off they will be. Most schools and churches won't touch the subject. They simply say don't have sex. I think slide shows of human development would help them understand what it is they may end up killing.”

““Abortion is murder, period. Life begins at conception. Unless the mother's health is in danger (at which point it would be justified homicide), there's no excuse to have an abortion.”
Oryx
10:32:22 AM
I agree that life begins a conception. You go from haploid to diploid in the blink of an eye. Does the soul enter once you become diploid as well? There are probably 5 to 10 miscarriages to every sucessful birth do those developing diploid cells/humans also have souls and is it a form of natural infanticide? Is is also justifiable homocide for the body to reject the fetus?”

“That would fall into the category of "God's will", BD.”

“bateauxdriver - Thanks for your first response. I disagree with your logic, but appreciated your feedback.

Re: your other post -

Does the soul enter once you become diploid as well? Since we don't know much about souls, even when we're talking about adults, wouldn't you rather err on the side of caution when we're talking about murder?

There are probably 5 to 10 miscarriages to every sucessful birth do those developing diploid cells/humans also have souls and is it a form of natural infanticide? Is is also justifiable homocide for the body to reject the fetus? This is a red herring. Natural death is not akin to murder. If so, we'd say old people are "murdered" when they die.”

“Since we don't know much about souls, even when we're talking about adults, wouldn't you rather err on the side of caution when we're talking about murder?

I'd rather err on the side of caution when we're talking about making an essentially religious choice for our citizens.”

“Phaedrus - So you're saying that killing or not killing a baby is a religious choice? That's very odd. Do you think that way about adults too?”

““Since we don't know much about souls, even when we're talking about adults, wouldn't you rather err on the side of caution when we're talking about murder?

I'd rather err on the side of caution when we're talking about making an essentially religious choice for our citizens.”
Phaedrus


I think the choice should remain open but those making the choice should be aware of what they are actually doing. You are taking away tissue that would become a person. That is serious business. Parents, teachers, religious leaders, political leaders, relatives are all needed to get that message across. Abortion should always be a choice made for nonselfish ends. Should a 15 year old who acted stupid have a baby? It depends on the circumstance. In my opinion a 20 year old should know better. They may be making the decision for selfish reasons. One thing that is almost certain is that abortion will always be legal. The hot potatoe has been tossed and nobody is going to touch it. The key is to encourage people to keep themselves out of the situation where abortion is used like birth control. I don't think abortion can ever help a person but, in some situations it may do less damage.”