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“Gang will target Minuteman vigil on Mexico border
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

NACO, Ariz. -- Members of a violent Central America-based gang have been sent to Arizona to target Minuteman Project volunteers, who will begin a monthlong border vigil this weekend to find and report foreigner sneaking into the United States, project officials say.
James Gilchrist, a Vietnam veteran who helped organize the vigil to protest the federal government's failure to control illegal immigration, said he has been told that California and Texas leaders of Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, have issued orders to teach "a lesson" to the Minuteman volunteers.
"We're not worried because half of our recruits are retired trained combat soldiers," Mr. Gilchrist said. "And those guys are just a bunch of punks."
More than 1,000 volunteers are expected to take part in the Minuteman vigil, which will include civilian patrols along a 20-mile section of the San Pedro River Valley, which has become a frequent entry point to the United States for foreigner headed north.
About 40 percent of the 1.15 million foreign nationals caught last year by the U.S. Border Patrol trying to gain illegal entry to the United States were apprehended along a 260-mile stretch of the Arizona border here known as the Tucson sector.
Many of the Minuteman volunteers are expected to be armed, although organizers of the border vigil have prohibited them from carrying rifles. Only those people with a license to carry a handgun will be allowed to do so, Mr. Gilchrist said.
An operational plan calls for teams of four to eight volunteers to be deployed along the targeted 20-mile stretch of border at intervals of 200 to 300 yards, along with observation posts and a command center.
Mr. Gilchrist said some of the patrols and posts will be right on the U.S.-Mexico border, while others will be located farther north. The volunteers also have been told to "make lots of noise and burn campfires at night to be very visible."
According to guidelines issued to the volunteers earlier this month, organizers said they expect that they will be targeted by various protest groups and others and that some protesters would try to provoke confrontations.
"If we are to send the message loud and clear to President Bush and Congress, it is imperative we stay within the law," Mr. Gilchrist said.
"If one single person steps over the line for their personal gratification, we are all stained with that irresponsible behavior and labeled forever as a fringe element that embarrasses all who are counting on us to make this historic statement," he said.
The MS-13 gang has established major smuggling operations in several areas along the U.S.-Mexico border and have transported hundreds of Central and South Americans -- including gang members -- into the United States in the past two years. The gang also is involved in drug and weapons smuggling.
Gang members in America have been tied to numerous killings, robberies, burglaries, carjackings, extortion, rapes and aggravated assaults. Authorities said that the gang has earned a reputation from the other street gangs as being particularly ruthless and that it will retaliate violently when challenged.
The MS-13 gang, with 20,000 members nationwide, has risen in recent months to such prominence that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security, has begun a nationwide crackdown on gang members in this country -- as part of a sweeping law-enforcement initiative known as Operation Community Shield.
ICE agents arrested more than 100 members of the gang during limited raids that began in January in just six cities, including 35 who were taken into custody in Virginia and Maryland. The authorities said MS-13 gang members originally moved into the Los Angeles area in the 1980s.


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050328-125306-7868r.htm”

“I hope no one [READ:Minutemen] gets hurt but this could just be thing to bring the illegal immigration problem to the fore front.”

“"We're not worried because half of our recruits are retired trained combat soldiers," Mr. Gilchrist said. "And those guys are just a bunch of punks."

LOL - I'd bet on American gun owners any day over soldier-thugs from a third world sh1t hole. I'm just sorry I can't be down there to kill a few of those scum.”

“This should be interesting. What started as a peaceful demonstration by Americans who want to help control the border crossings may turn into a shooting war from illegal immigrants. Of course this is all Bush's fault and he should be punished.”

“Illegal immigration represents a clear and present danger to our nation. I hope this movement grows and hopefully none of them get hurt. I'm gonna try and find a link so I can help these guys out.”

“Put Janet Reno in charge of the Southern Border.

Of course we will have to recall a few tanks from Iraq.”

“Hell no, all she'd have to do is stand there at the border. She's scary enough to keep anyone out!”

“Janet Reno looks like a characature of Will Ferrell doing Janet Reno.”

“Naw Janet Reno looks like Ms Chokesondik...”

“Many busineses rely on these immigrants for cheap labor.

Maybe that's why the current administration has done little about the problem.

G.O.P.......the party of business.

Cental American gangsters.....punks?
Maybe, but those are the kind of guys who will cutchya in a heartbeat.

Best of luck to those middle age used-to-be G.I. Joes.
We could see some heart attacks if some of these older dudes try to run for their lives.”

“Armed Civilians Converge Upon Mexican Border
Friday, April 01, 2005

TOMBSTONE, Ariz. — They call themselves patriots, but critics call them everything from gun-toting rednecks to racists.

Hundreds of people were converging on Arizona's Mexican border Friday to ready for a month-long campaign to urge federal lawmakers to do more to stem illegal immigration.

The events have been organized by the Minuteman Project, a group that organizes volunteer civilian patrols on the Arizona/Mexico border to report illegal immigrant crossings to the U.S. Border Patrol.

Participants on Friday were rallying in Tombstone, Ariz., and taking part in an orientation.

Rallies and protests were planned throughout the weekend to call for stricter border enforcement.

About 1,200 people, mainly from the Southwest, were expected to attend events including stationing people along the border 24 hours a day, seven days a week for the next 30 days in a type of massive neighborhood-watch program.

The protesters say they're fed up with Washington's inability and/or reluctance to clamp down on illegal immigration, and they're upset with Mexico for encouraging its citizens to break U.S. laws and exporting its unemployment problems.


Polls show that upward of 90 percent of Americans favor a clampdown, but the project is controversial nonetheless. Minuteman volunteers consider themselves patriots, much like the minutemen during the American Revolution.

President Bush, during a recent meeting with Mexican President Vicente Fox, denounced such "vigilantes."

"I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America and for enforcing law in a rational way," Bush said.

Armando Navarro, a University of California-Riverside political science professor and coordinator of the National Alliance for Human Rights, made up mostly of Hispanic activists, had some harsher words for the Minutemen.

"They have advertised nationally for volunteers to come in and enjoy the climate in the hunt against Mexicans. Literally, that's the language that they have used to promote their nativist, racist politics," Navarro charged.

But James Gilchrist, founder of the Minuteman Project, said he's no racist.

"My son is Mexican. My grandson is Mexican. I've never been affiliated with any racist type of group," he said. "We're not going down there to hunt Mexicans, we're going down there to bring national awareness to the fact we have porous borders that are grossly unprotected.



what I find funny is that Pres Bush denounces these people but yet he doesn't have the balls to do anything about stop the illegals from coming in
last edited: 4/01/05 3:24:10 PM”

“Keep up the good work guys!


Minutemen Report Stops
18 Illegals At Border
By Beth DeFalco
4-4-5


PHOENIX (AP) - Volunteers for an effort to patrol the Mexican border reported their first sighting of suspected illegal immigrants, resulting in 18 arrests, authorities said Sunday.

Participants in the Minuteman Project spotted the migrants Saturday near Naco as the volunteers were surveying the border to familiarize themselves with area. When agents arrived, they apprehended 18 people, Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame said.

"You observe them, report them and get out of the way," said Mike McGarry, a spokesman for the project, which begins Monday and is to continue for a month.

The volunteers reported another illegal immigrant after he wandered onto the campus of a Bible college near the community of Palominas, where about 100 Minuteman participants were staying.

(AP) Todd Evans, at left, of Coshise County, Ariz., talks to other demonstrators protesting outside of...
Full ImageThe man walked in and said he needed food and water. Volunteers helped him and notified federal agents, who picked him up, McGarry said.

The man was weary from traveling but did not need medical attention, Adame said.

"It's not uncommon to have aliens that have had enough," Adame said. "They'll walk up to someone's house and ask them to call us. They're waiting on the porch when we arrive."

Minuteman volunteers planned to start regular patrols Monday, fanning out across 23 miles of the San Pedro Valley to watch the border and report any illegal activity to federal agents. It's an exercise some law enforcement authorities and others fear could lead to vigilante violence.

McGarry said about 200 people would be in place for Monday's patrols, although human rights activists and some authorities have questioned whether the project will attract as many volunteers as organizers expect.

Law enforcement officials said the volunteers were keeping the peace, despite concerns they might become confrontational with immigrants. Many of the volunteers were recruited over the Internet and some plan to be armed.

"Everything seems to be going well," said Carol Capas, a spokeswoman for the Cochise County Sheriff's Office.

The Arizona-Mexico border is considered the most vulnerable stretch of the 2,000-mile southern border. Of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants caught by the Border Patrol last year, 51 percent crossed into the country at the Arizona border.


Minuteman Project
http://www.minutemanproject.com”

“Keep this up and the liberals will start calling you names, bateauxdriver. ;-)”

“I just don't understand this country sometimes. There are actually water stations, maintained by the US government, out in the desert so illegals don't get dehydrated. What is up with that? I can't wait to see how this all pans out but so far so good.”

“But the water was coolant for Three Mile Island, it is a military study for the apocalypse.




(j/k)”

“If this keeps up who will do all that landscaping work?”

“I'm not sure what this problem has to do with Liberals; the Bush Administration has had over 4 years to do something about the southern border and they haven't. What's up with that? Too many conservatives have illegal housekeepers and yardmen??”

“Keep this up and the liberals will start calling you names, bateauxdriver. ;-)”
StoveStomper
6:27:58 PM
4/04/05


why would the liberals call him names. It is the conservatives who are wanting to let them all in.

Stovestomper you should be singing the praises of Bush and his plan to let them all in.

Good Job Minutemen, keep it up and send them all back. If Bush can't do the job then private citizens will have to.”

“Aero, you're not playing fair.”

“Oh, sorry, I forgot about using facts.

Minutemen find few migrants


Police in Mexico discouraging illegal crossings
By Michael Marizco
ARIZONA DAILY STAR

NACO, SONORA – A Mexican military Humvee moves across the cow pasture; soldiers nod at federal agents in bright orange shirts roving by on ATVs. An hour later, a Sonora State Preventive Police truck moves through a sandy wash, the officers looking for migrants waiting to sneak across the border.

Across the barbed-wire border in Arizona early Monday, excitement grips Minuteman Project volunteers when they observe a group of six people moving north.

Dan Russell, 62, watches the group walking toward him. "They're getting closer," he says. "They could just be reporters." They are.

In the first few days of the Minuteman Project, volunteers have been slowing illegal immigration into the Naco area.They've accomplished that with the help of an unlikely ally: Mexico.

Eager to avoid confrontations between volunteers and its people, Mexico is sweeping the area south of the Minuteman Project clear of migrants.

Gov. Eduardo Bours Castelo has placed 44 members of the new state police force across the border at La Morita, a cattle ranch that leads directly to the border south of Bisbee, said Diego Padilla the governor's Arizona representative.

The state police are working with Grupo Beta, Mexico's migrant protection force, which is plucking migrants out of the desert and depositing them in nearby Agua Prieta, where they are encouraged to wait before trying to cross.

"We are very crude with them; we tell them they may be shot, that there's rancheros out to stop them and hurt them," said Enrique Enriques Palafox, a Grupo Beta commander in Agua Prieta. The point is to terrify the migrants from the area so they won't cross illegally and encounter Minuteman volunteers, he said.

Sunday, the coordinated efforts of the military, Grupo Beta, and the new police force pulled 22 groups of migrants out of the ranch, Palafox said. By Monday, only a handful of people had to be told to go somewhere else.

Even as the Minuteman Project brought national attention to Cochise County's border woes, volunteers had few encounters with illegal entrants. But their presence has brought Mexican law enforcement to this part of the border, and that has had the effect of slowing illegal immigration.

Organizer James Gilchrist said Sunday that volunteers had reported 118 illegal entrants to the U.S. Border Patrol. There is no way to confirm that, because the agency's Tucson Sector says it doesn't keep track of Minuteman callers separately from normal calls from citizens about illegal border crossers.

Since Friday, when the protest started, there have been 78 citizen call-ins leading to the apprehension of 162 people, said Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame.

What Minuteman volunteers have succeeded in doing is setting off false alarms by tripping ground sensors on the border, he said.
"We're having to work around them instead of concentrating on the actual border where we need to work," Adame said.
The number of illegal entrant apprehensions at the Naco station has dropped.

U.S. and Mexican officials say it's because of Mexico's efforts.

Minuteman organizers say otherwise. "We're having an impact," Gilchrist said Sunday.

(I won't argue with that.)”

“U.S. and Mexican officials say it's because of Mexico's efforts.

Minuteman organizers say otherwise. "We're having an impact," Gilchrist said Sunday.

(I won't argue with that.)”
aero
11:42:56 AM
4/05/05


I agree with you aero. It is the minutemen who are doing this. For sure it is not the US doing anything. Bush wouldn't allow that to happen.

I am waiting for something to go wrong (someone get killed) then the US will jump in and knowing them arrest the minutemen.”

“Oh well, it's just a bunch of unemployed guys who like to dress in camo and play Rambo.”

“and play Rambo.”
aero
11:53:37 AM
4/05/05

are you talking about Bush or the minutemen”

“LOL!

The funny part is that there are van-loads of Mexicans (Nogales has a shuttle service) that stream into Tucson up I-19, daily, for shopping and jobs. The merchants love it!”

“BORDER CONTROL JOBS OUTSOURCED TO MEXICO

In what some critics of illegal immigration are calling a setback for homeland security, 500 border control agents hired just this week learned today that their jobs were being outsourced to Mexico.

“In a perfect world, it would be great to have American border control agents on the U.S. side of the border,” said Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff. “Having said that, we are going to save a bundle by having those same functions performed by Mexicans on the Mexican side of the border.”

Recognizing that the outsourcing decision will not endear him to critics of the Administration’s immigration policies, Mr. Chertoff said, “I fully expect Lou Dobbs to rip me a new one.”

Nevertheless, Mr. Chertoff said, starting Monday the U.S. will scrap traditional border patrols and replace them with what he called a “state of the art border-control calling center” located in a suburb of Guadalajara.

The plan calls for prospective illegal aliens to telephone the calling center with the approximate time and place they intend to sneak over the border to the U.S.

Hoping to silence criticism of the controversial plan, President Bush addressed the immigration issue head on today in a speech in Grand Rapids, Michigan: “To those who would illegally enter our country seeking jobs, let me say this: stay where you are, and eventually our jobs will come to you.”

- www.borowitzreport.com”

“This just arrived in my inbox - thought I would share.
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Mexico

Just Try This

Enter Mexico illegally. Never mind immigration quotas, visas, and international
law, or any of that nonsense.

Once there, demand that the local government provide free medical care for you and your entire family.

Demand bilingual nurses and doctors.

Demand free bilingual local government forms, bulletins, etc.

Procreate abundantly. Deflect any criticism of this allegedly irresponsible reproductive behavior with, "It is a cultural United States thing. You would not understand, pal."

Keep your American identity strong. Fly Old Glory from your rooftop, or proudly display it in your front window or on your car bumper.

Speak only English at home and in public and insist that your children do likewise.

Demand classes on American culture in the Mexican school system.

Demand a local Mexican driver license. This will afford other legal rights and will go far to legitimize your unauthorized, illegal, presence in Mexico.

Insist that local Mexican law enforcement teach English to all it's officers.

Try driving around as an Americano in Mexico with no liability insurance......and have an accident....

Good luck! You'll be demanding for the rest of time or soon dead. Because it will never happen. It will not happen in Mexico or any other country in the world... Except right here... Land of the naive.

If you agree, pass it on. If you don't, go ahead and try the above in Mexico....
Steve Ussery, Sr.

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Do not agree with Mr Ussery's prejudice on procreation, large families are not a Mexican phenomenon, nor do they have a monopoly on large families, look at the early Irish settlers.

I see nothing wrong with pride in your place of origin, and that does occur in other countries, flags/bumper stickers

But the cost to the taxpayer to provide services in a second language and providing services to illegals is pretty unique to here. In other countries any illegal entrant has their passport stamped as 'persona non grata', is deported almost immediately, and the country of origin is billed for the cost of the deportation. Most Countries then hold your passport until you have repaid that cost, and any new passport is similarly marked as not valid for entry to the place of deportation.”

“manuka, I agree pretty much with everything he says. Large families may be the only part I don't but then again I have seen some large Mexican families esp when I delievered pizza to them.
The Mexicans do tend to group in large numbers esp in housing. I have seen as many as 20-30 mattress's in a house before. No furniture at all. Makes it very cheap to live like that. This wasn't a run down house either. very nice house in a very nice neighborhood.”

“That's not an unusual scenario Manuka; retirees do it all the time (except the entering illegally part). They have a higher standing of living down there and demand services from the locals--which they'll get! Most Mexicans I've seen down there speak English anyway. They're already catering to hoards of college kids on Spring break down there for drunkeness and debauchery!”

“Bryan Barton caught an illegal alien and all I got was this lousy T-shirt”