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i hope she makes it... bears are so cool
Yogisan
7:10:41 PM
7/26/09

Good story. Not surprised it was the bear vault that opened. I borrowed a bear vault on an extended trip and determined that those lids do suck. In cold to freezing conditions at night, it is nearly impossible to get the lid off the a.m. Later, the little plastic tab broke off, rendering it completely worthless. Junk, IMHO, but cheap, I guess, if you only plan to use it a few times.
roseymonster
8:46:45 AM
7/27/09

hey stovie i emailed you about the bearikade the other day...
Yogisan
9:46:12 AM
7/27/09

I once saw a bear trying to buy a Swiss Army Knife at the EMS in Lake Placid. I wonder if it was Yellow-Yellow.
lumberzac
9:55:07 AM
7/27/09

Yogisan, email me your zip code so I can give you an esimate of the shipping.
Stovie
1:18:11 PM
7/27/09

i sold mine for 100 to golfhiker. i think the seller should pay for the shipping

:-P
crash bang
1:20:26 PM
7/27/09

60108
Yogisan
8:22:36 PM
7/27/09

i think of this as recycling. i would have bought one new anyway and besides i would loan it back to stovie for nothing in a heartbeat. what goes around comes around i guess.
Yogisan
8:23:56 PM
7/27/09

I watch people wrestle with the lids on their bear vaults. Seems like my Bearikade is easier to open and close.
Phil
7:18:35 AM
7/28/09

...as long as you have a coin, phil. :-)
Stovie
7:25:19 AM
7/28/09

I usually just use my titanium spoon handle. You can use the top of a blade as well.

But yeah, you're SOL without SOMETHING to open those bearikade lids. They're water tight!
roseymonster
7:31:50 AM
7/28/09

Yogi, the box I was going to use to ship is too narrow. I'll have to go to Office Depot or Wally World and buy a bigger box.

What say we call shipping $10?

A check from you would be fine.
A check from cb would have to be certified. ;-)

I looked over the can very carefully and it looks great, but one of the three twist fasteners is tarnished, but works fine.
Stovie
7:45:33 AM
7/28/09

ok. reply to my email w your address so i can send one out. i send you my addry. let me know if you didn't get the email. thx!
Yogisan
7:56:55 AM
7/28/09

Forget Wallyworld or Office Depot for a box, just go by the liquor store. A wine box (case) should work about right.
chili36
8:07:13 AM
7/28/09

Done, Yogi.
last edited: 7/28/09 8:04:12 AM
Stovie
8:07:46 AM
7/28/09

Check is in the mail. Thanks stovie. If you ever need to borrow it let me know.
Yogisan
9:46:47 AM
7/28/09

They're water tight

actually, no theyre not. at least mine wasnt. if theres a chance of rain, leave it upside-down at night
crash bang
10:53:22 AM
7/28/09

I'm gonna have to get one of these things finally - Rocky Mtn NP now requires them for backcountry camping.
RoamAround
11:59:50 AM
7/28/09

Hmm, that's too bad, Crash. I haven't had a moisture problems. Check out the o-rings on yours.

However, yeah, prolly is best to invert it anyway.
roseymonster
12:05:15 PM
7/28/09

The Bearikade has an O-ring that tends to seal that part of the lid. But there are no O-rings for the three locking screws. Water can get in there. Just had a conversation about that on our last trip!
Phil
12:23:33 PM
7/28/09

the google ads on the side of TT right now are for a "Bullet Proof Bear Bag." Which is real good, because there's nothing scarier than Ol' Grizz packing a desert eagle and looking for your food...
pepsisformosa
1:51:42 PM
7/28/09

Rocky Mtn NP now requires them for backcountry camping.”
RoamAround
2:59:50 PM

you have got to be kidding me. theres what, maybe 3 bears hiding in the one spot furthest from human contact in the whole park?

are ursacks acceptable?
crash bang
2:46:37 PM
7/28/09

“The Bearikade has an O-ring that tends to seal that part of the lid. But there are no O-rings for the three locking screws. Water can get in there.

exactly
crash bang
2:51:22 PM
7/28/09

crash - that was my reaction exactly! the biggest threat to steal food in RMNP is a marmot or a magpie. A couple summers ago a ranger told me they were considering requireing them and then defended it by saying "we want to protect the few bears we have". So, maybe i can sorta see the point, but i think its a silly way to approach it. I don't believe that an ursack is acceptable, but I'm not 100% sure.

edit: i think that ranger said the black bear pop in the park at that time was estimated to be 30.
last edited: 7/28/09 3:23:47 PM
RoamAround
3:25:57 PM
7/28/09

the good thing is, there are literally thousands of miles of trails in the less regulated and less over-developed national forests in the state. i much prefer hiking in national forest land over national park land for that very reason.
crash bang
3:31:43 PM
7/28/09

Wonder if the folks are Bearikade would gratis me that rubber ring? I bought mine years ago - 2001 I think - but it's in fine shape, and could benefit by the upgrade. That is, if it can be made to fit, the lid clamps down easy enough, and it's not a bear (ooops, did I say that?) to turn the screws!

By the way, I wonder if a rubber grommet on the inside of the can, beneath each screw, would do the water-proofing trick? Might even be able to fashion one out of some similar material...

Gonna play with this, see what I come up with...
obiwan canoli
3:47:49 PM
7/28/09

heheh

obiwan said "rub her thing"
crash bang
3:52:45 PM
7/28/09

the good thing is, there are literally thousands of miles of trails in the less regulated and less over-developed national forests in the state. i much prefer hiking in national forest land over national park land for that very reason.”
crash bang
4:31:43 PM
7/28/09


i agree - plenty of room to spread out. Rocky Mtn is more of a climbers park than it is a backpackers park = there is some awesome hiking there for sure, some tremendous scenery that shouldn't be missed, but it's by far not the only place to go if your in the area.

Like most national parks, get 1.3 miles from the trailhead and the crowds really thin out.

I'd hardly call it "overdeveloped" though. And in the winter time, it's one of the few places where you can actually access a trailhead without a snowmobile. :)
RoamAround
4:33:11 PM
7/28/09

also, you generally dont need permits and reservations in the national forests
crash bang
4:36:38 PM
7/28/09

I think my screws have a rubber ring around them. Will check it tonight, and may stand corrected. My can is about, hmm, four to five years old?
roseymonster
4:43:50 PM
7/28/09

I checked. Sure enough, there are o-rings underneath the screw heads on the top of the lid, set into the impression.

So yeah, I stand by the fact that my Wild Ideas can is waterproof.
roseymonster
8:50:35 PM
7/28/09

from wild ideas web site
Dear Wild Ideas Customer,
Thank you once again for purchasing a patented BearikadeĀ® Bear resistant food storage container, the lightest Bear resistant food storage container on the market.

We were surprised to learn that some renters of our canisters in the National Parks have been using the BearikadeĀ® canisters as "cooking pots". This misapplication of the product exposes the bonds to a high temperature well above its service range. As a result, the structural bonds are weakened and eventual separation of the metal part from the composite cylinder may occur.

If you have ever heated anything in your BearikadeĀ® canister over a stove or campfire you must return your canister for repair as it may fail without notice. We will retrofit your canister for a nominal charge of $20 plus shipping.
Yogisan
9:29:14 PM
7/28/09

LOL.

Oh man, idiots abound.
roseymonster
10:22:21 PM
7/28/09

it's gojo's fault, him and his "boiling water in the platypus" trick...
bitpusher
10:34:37 AM
7/29/09

Hey, that trick worked. I witnessed it.
chili36
10:39:27 AM
7/29/09

Yah, and someone then got a bright idea about bearikades....
bitpusher
11:20:00 AM
7/29/09

did you get your $$, stovie?
Yogisan
3:31:55 PM
8/01/09

He can't post. He is over at the casino rolling the bones.


;-)
chili36
3:46:08 PM
8/01/09

I got your check Sat., Yogi.

I've been busy making it grow at the casinos. ;-)








(I'll ship Monday)
Stovie
10:27:42 AM
8/02/09

no worries! good luck at the casino... :)
Yogisan
10:55:08 PM
8/02/09

Yogi, look for your can Thur or Fri.
Stovie
12:52:26 PM
8/04/09

thanks!
Yogisan
1:11:38 PM
8/04/09

Well, his head's usually up there, so it should be easy;)
Nimblefoot
1:12:12 PM
8/04/09

he needs it for the porkies trip in 2 weeks. i heard them bears eat ursacks for snax
crash bang
3:49:57 PM
8/04/09

dude bang dude, only you get porked dude bang.
TuckerJoe
3:56:11 PM
8/04/09

Has anyone used the yellowjacket to hang their bear bags.

In concept, it looks like the real deal, but I want some field data before I order one.

http://quickrope.com/index.html
chili36
7:37:56 PM
8/05/09

chili - not high enough and what are the odds of finding a tree and JUST the right hight for the trecking pole anyway?
ChinMusic
7:46:33 PM
8/05/09

Probably right. I will just stick with the PCT method of hanging the bag for now.
chili36
8:08:02 PM
8/05/09

hey stovie. the bearikade got here today. looks good. funny how that one screw decided to tarnish but other two didn't. anyway, thanks and if you ever need to borrow it don't hesitate to ask.
Yogisan
9:01:47 AM
8/07/09

Great. I figure that screw was one that has made of crappy stainless steel, but it's functional, not rusted.
Stovie
9:06:01 AM
8/07/09

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