I am in one HUGE state of mixed emotions !

“I have wood, bu am not a criminal. I'm wiling to make this admition.”

“I'm gonna go out on a "limb" here and discuss the "root" of "tree's" problem.
Lets "branch" out on this so we can all
"leaf" this behind.”

“it's just a couple of idiots trying to pick on someone cause they don't like his political views.
sacco
9:45:42 AM
4/13/05

Isn't that written somewhere in the mission statement for Trail Talk?”

“I hope y'all aren't planning on outlawing hardwoods...”

“Chicks dig wood. well, most do anyway.”

“...Hidden? what's hidden?...MY hate is right out in the open, backed up by a gun where it's needed.....

Sarge?...If you're not trolling here...Wadda ya kerrazzzy? I'll turn the other cheek only to gain a better sight picture.”

“haha, you people crack me up.”

“You can have my wood when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.”

“Sarge has gone off the deep end on this one.”

“a fantasy world where criminals are appolgized to, all charges are droppped and yet the scumba- criminal still learns their lesson? wow.

sacco - You're right. I've changed my mind.

Treebeard - Forget what I said. You should tell the criminal he's a loser and you hope he rots in prison. I've been convinced by sacco that that is the best thing to do. Forgiveness is wrong. Please forgive me for giving you bad advice. On second thought, don't forgive me.”

““Stu....there is something that you can do that will ease your pain. Seek this man out, and look directly into his eyes and apologize.”


DO NOT DO THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.


As others have said. An apology is tantamount to admitting culpability. You very well may be sued.


Do not have ANY further direct contact with this person.

if you have to make a court appearance, consult with a lawyer. get informed legal guidance not speculation from us yahoos.


True Story.

My first job I was friends with an ex-army ranger. He was among the first into Grenada. While we all laugh about Grenada being a real military action . . .he was medvaced after being fragged by a grenade.

Got a purple heart.

Anyhoo. He and another ranger buddy came out of a movie theatre with their dates and found 4 urban youths breaking into his bright yellow Camero.


They yelled across the garage for them to stop. The kids saw there was just two of them and laughed. The kids didn't leave, instead they confronted my friend and his buddy.

Two of the kids ended up with extended hospital stays. One with compound fractures of the arm.

The other two got off more easily.

The two that were in the hospital sued my friend. He had to get a lawyer to defend himself. The suit was thrown out. But the time, trouble, effort and expense, as well as the aggravation, and stress were all a pain.


this was in Stamford CT back in 1987.



Just keep your own counsel. If I were you I would not have posted this version on the internet frankly.


Yes. You were probably within your rights. But you need to protect yourself from a legal perspective.

I would not engage anyone here. Me included with anymore speculation or debate.

Cetainly don't start shipping emails around the country with the story.
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“i'm starting to wonder about sarge. has anyone met this guy?

i seem to remember a certain ultraconservative trolly type that left us about the same time sarge started posting...

maybe mutt never really left?

granted, mutt seemed much more coherent, but maybe mutt never left. he just got bonked in the head by a falling tree branch and lost a few IQ points.”

“I hope they don't outlaw 'woodies'”

“and for gods sake, dump the tree branch in the river
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“lee - You're right.

It's better to look good in the eyes of the court than to have a clear conscience.”

“sarge, I apologize for saying you laughed at him. You said you waved, smiled and then cracked a joke...thats just as stupid.”

“sarge, actually- i think i hope tree does forgive the guy. seems like everyone hopes tree forigves the guy. seems like everyone thinks forgiveness is a very good thing.

you seem to be confusing the act of tree forgiving this guy and tree appologizing to this guy. they are two very different things.”

“sacco - 134. How about you? I'm not mutt, so apparently your ability at recognizing reality is in sorry shape. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. No, I take that apology back.”

“sacco - I'm not confusing anything. Read my posts about the advantages of apologizing to him. Maybe you are confused, once again.”

“leave sarge alone ewker. he was in complete control ya know.

personally, i'd have pee'd my pants if someone pointed a gun at me. but then i'd prolly appologize to the mugger for peeing in front of him.”

“I am not going to engage you on this.


How is this: I agree with everything you have suggested. However, I would ONLY follow your advice under two circumstances:

1) under the advice of a lawyer

2) if, and only if, the statue of limitations for being sued civily had run out.




Again. Let's say I agree with you on the need to forgive. That is fine.

But I don't believe there is a need for Stu to compound his trouble by blithely giving this guy an open door to suing him.


I frankly think that would be just plain stupid.


I would rather not see Stu make a single further post on this thread.”

“lee - What I had imagined is stu apologizing to the thief, not in front of the entire court, judge, police force .... whatever. This isn't complicated.

The thief isn't going to say "Hey everybody, he just apoligized for hitting me!", and even if he did, he is just as likely to bring up the fact that stu hit him in court anyways ... so either way stu is going to have to either lie about what he did/didn't do in court, or fess up.

Apologizing to the thief will do nothing but good.

Oh wait, I forgot I changed my mind on this. treebeard ... Tell him you hope he rots in prison ... Forget this post.”

“LOL. i love it when people give their IQs online durring some kind of "debate" like this.


sarge, my IQ is 148. I'm 6'3", 220 lbs with a 31" waist and a 13" ****. i love going for long walks on the beach and candle light dinners.
i'm not much of a talker, but i do like to listen. My favorite activities include building furniture and then having a lengthy disscussion about where to place it.
and did i mention i'm very wealthy?”

“sacco - You brought up the personal stats. Remember?”

“sacco. LOL. your posts rule.”

“sacco - were you describing Buddha? I think he reported his IQ at 147 though.”

“Is this AOL? "Your posts rule"??”

“no sarge. what i remember is making an offhanded comment about you being a different guy minus a few IQ points.

i did not ask for you to tell me your actual IQ but you're obviously very proud of it and that's fine. no judgement here. congrats.”

“134 is borderline stupid.”

“sacco - IQ points are personal stats. That's exactly what that is, and you commented on mine. You couldn't have brought it up, and not, at the same time.”

“Nigal may have gone Ammish, but we still have sacco.”

“no DH, i don't know this buddha guy you're refering to but i'd still kick his ass with my 21" biceps and my black belt karate skills.

and also, my dad is really strong and could beat his dad up.”

““Is this AOL? "Your posts rule"??”
Sarge
12:25:12 PM
4/13/05

What I meant was: I find his posts most entertaining, informative, yet sophisticated, in up-yours kinda way.”

“ah yes.
now i remember.
you're right sarge. i did say,"hey sarge, what's your IQ? if you tell me yours i'll tell you mine. i'd really like to compare them."

yup. that's what i said.

CP, thanks but you really shouldn't encourage me.”

“Sacco, you're obviously exaggerating, therefore you're a liar and deserve to go straight to hell where demons will sodomize you with flaming porcupines and lemon sweet tarts.”

“sacco - Do you normally map out conversations before you have them? Very odd. I see no other instance of you doing this, but you seem to think you should have before this particular conversation took place. That makes perfectly good sense.”

“If he is sued and has made an apology, and then is questioned in court by opposing counsel, it could be made to be seen by the jury as an act of guilt.


Why did you apologize?

Because I feel bad for hitting him.


Why did you feel bad? Was it because you picked up a weapon, approached him without warning, and caused him permanent disabling damage?



Its not that he didn't do it Sarge . . .its that he should not engage this guy on any level. Not in a name calling arguement, not to apologize until the dust has settled and he has absolute assurance that he can't be reached financially.”

“sacco - Do you normally map out conversations before you have them? Very odd. I see no other instance of you doing this, but you seem to think you should have before this particular conversation took place. That makes perfectly good sense.”
Sarge



i have no idea what you are talking about. seriously. no idea. you're gonna have to break this one down for me. sorry.”

“lemon sweet tarts?”

“Ok lee - pleasing the courts is more important than making peace with yourself and with other humans. Point taken.”

“Personally it doesn't bother me that the guy got a swift kick. He might be a little more nervous next time.

I do think forgiveness and mercy, as Sarge suggests - is more likely to change his world view in this situation.

Lastly, I think it was foolish - it was a risk to you both in terms of your getting hurt and your getting legal problems. It's quite possible that he will try to use your assault as leverage to get you to drop charges.

I think no less of you because of this, and respect your honesty in examining and exposing this whole story.”

“Lemon sweet tarts?! LMAO!”

“Sweet tarts are EVIL.”

“Here's what I'd have done-

I'd kick his butt, and then say "I'm sorry" and then tell the kiddies "Don't try this at home, it's too dangerous."”

“Right now there is some poor smuck wandering around on a desolate block in the Park Slope section of Brooklyn looking for his missing tree limb and #&%!$ing about the crime in NYC.”

“Yikes!! Tree! Don't do this again!

Of course, all of us Wednesday morning quarterbacks find it easy to tell you what you should have done, so I might as well do so too.

If anything, stay a ways down the street like you were, and shout, "Hey, that's my car!" Chances are, the guy would simply not want to get caught and would just run away. Stereo still in car. Treebeard safe.

Getting close to the guy and engaging him in combat was incredibly dangerous. However, if you felt that hitting him was necessary for whatever reason, hitting him in the balls was a pretty good choice because it demonstrated that you had no desire to seriously injure him or kill him, but simply wanted to temporarily debilitate him until the cops arrived.”

“LOL.

and another guy patiently waiting for treebeard to appologize.”

“134 is borderline stupid.”
Phaedrus
10:26:32 AM
4/13/05



The average IQ is by definition 100; scores above 100 indicate a higher than average IQ and scores below 100 indicate a lower that average IQ.

iq-test.learninginfo.org/iq04.htm

By State http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~gcharter/iq.txt

sarcasm font on

I guess California is so lucky to have you living there, otherwise who knows how low the state average would sink.

Do you have difficulty holding conversations with these "borderline stupid" people?
I guess average people are so far below you that you would have difficulty relating to them.

It must be hard having so few people in the world who can understand your brilliance.

Oh, before I forget sarcasm font off

Either you are a stuck up SOB, or perhaps your Eliteness does not understand how IQ works.


"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." -- Mark Twain”

“Maybe I should have said that people with IQ's of 134 can't understand caustic irony when they see it.”

“BTW, Manuka, I find you to be of average intelligence.”