Goodbye My Friends

“Errr Phaedrus, bad person to quote.”

“I'm the Page 3 Boy :D”

“Crap! Darn you bateaux... you beat me to it!”

“The point being that all the happy words can never change a person to disregard suicide. That has to happen on one's own. Talking can help, no doubt, but the choice, ultimately, is yours only.”

“However, snce Bison has shown an inclination toward religious teachings:

"...as soon as we examine suicide from the standpoint of religion we immediately see it in its true light. We have been placed in this world under certain conditions and for specific purposes. But a suicide opposes the purpose of his creator; he arrives in the other world as one who has deserted his post; he must be looked upon as a rebel against God. God is our owner; we are his property; his providence works for our good."
- Immanuel Kant”

“Goodness, why all the suicide talk? Talk about getting sidetracked.”

“I lost a very good friend to suicide back in 2000. He didn't leave a note but he did leave behind a wife and three young daughters. The family is Catholic and we Catholics are taught to believe that murder of others or oneself is a ticket to Hell. I don't know if I believe that personally but it was one of the main concearns of the family. They all prayed that God would show mercy upon him.
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“Go back and read the first post again.


It was rather melodramtic and has caused some concern.”

“The last paragraph does sort of trigger those thoughts.

I hope Gem got him on the phone.”

“One hundred and ten posts can't be wrong Bison. We want ya back. Lots of love here.”

“I hear ya! I lost a good friend last year to sucide as well. He was fighting inner demons and alcoholism. After 3 DUI's the wife caught him back with the bottle and the talk was of a breakup. He disappeared for a few days, then re-appeared, only to hang himself in the garage. His wife was the first to find him, and he meant for it to happen that way.

I partially blamned myself for this at the beginning. I knew he was having trouble, but I never offered to sit down and talk. I don't know what would have come of this. I don't know if he even wanted to talk. I couldn't tell him that I knew how he felt, because I had never experienced what he was going through.

I do believe in the power of positive communication though. To sit and talk about what is troubling you, even with a complete stranger, can be good thing. The most rewarding thing that I have ever done was to teach college freshmen level communications. This was while I was working torwards my Master's in Communications.

I always told my students that I will make time for them and any problems they had. You wouldn't believe some of the things I have heard.

If you are reading any of this Bison, and you feel the need to reach out and talk, I will be here.”

“we're jumping to conclusions here. Bison never said anything about suicide. Bison is a strong guy. He'll be fine and hopefully he will be back. He has lots of friends here who care about him and if he needs any of us, he knows how to reach us.

Bison, if you're reading this, come join us on the Old Loggers Path this weekend. Nothing like getting out in the woods on a great trail with some good friends to get things back on the right track!

Remember hiking is life!! You said it best!”

“What ENS said !! Unless this is a Hoax, then I shall taunt you with many names.”

“But I am afraid that, unfortuneatly (I never could spell that damn word), in some lives there comes a point at which the revelation comes that things are never going to be right. As strong as you want to be there comes a point at which you can no longer fight, and you must accept that your ideals are not those of the world we live in, and this is no longer a place in which you can find happiness. You can only hike so far in expectation of a view before you accept that the promised view simply does not exist, and taking more steps will not lead to it. I am afraid that I have come to that point.

Hmmmmm... when you read this with the idea of it being "The world" instead of "TT"... kinda scary...”

“Best to just stop trying to get inside Bison's head.”

“I think someone is already in Bison's head and thats the cause of all this.”

“Did Bison finally admit to himself that Evolution doesn't violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics? Is that the cause of his angst?”

“WTF? I had it! Damn, I am watching this now for how long? #&%!$, 117 posts!

None of you ever got hurt or dumped? Sure you have! And guess what...each one of you is okay today right?
He needs to get over it. I am pissed, but I am more pissed about that I actually did worry about him.That was stupid, and I should've never even showed I cared.

He got dumped, for whatever reason! I can tell you that it wasn't our fault that he got dumped! And NO! It wasn't my fault either. #&%!$!!! Sometimes I wish I would have that much power over people...but I don't!

I hope we are all smart enough to let this #&%!$ing thread fall down to the bottom.
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“Sounds like 'Deja Vu' all over again

with Gemini playing the role of Mapleleaf,
Embear as Chelle2,
And Bison about to become a K2 Mountain Guide in Nepal.”

“A grade A TT meltdown and it's not even Hump Day. Anything beyond wishing Bison well is a futile waste of time and energy.”

“Bison, aren't your words similar to the song about Van Gogh about his being too beautiful for this world? He did kill himself, but he was mentally ill and missed out on his fame that was to follow later on if he had lived.

How does that saying go, "one door closes and another one opens"? You never know what good lies ahead.

No love is not always enough if things are not right in any relationship, boyfriend/girlfriend, mother/daughter, father/son. Love is not always enough, but it is when you meet the right person. I do understand what you are saying and you can give and give all you want, but if the relationship is wrong, it will never help.
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“women, cant live with em, and cant live with em.”

“I apologize for trolling, but I consider Bison a friend and feel that what I am posting may be very sensitive. I could be wrong and I'd like to keep my friend. Call me a coward if you like.

I have a cousin Mike who has HFAD, having spent a bit of time with Bison I believe he has the same condintion. I see the same pattern in his post here as I see in Mikes reaction to certain situations. I first began to suspect this a while ago when several of us went out to a few bars. There was an girl who was blatantly hitting on Bison, he had no idea, even though it was abvious to anyone else there. We talked about it afterwards, bison just did not understand that he was being hit on, he did not understand the social context of the conversation he had just had with this girl.

I am also very close to my cousin and have seen how he has struggled with this. I don't think any of us here can really understand what it is like to not understand how other people think socially. I know Mike has always felt that he is an outcast, and there is no way in for him. The only time he's really felt accepted is when he has been in a relationship, because he's felt as though there was someone who was trying to understand him, and that gives him hope. The problem is that when the relationship ends, the hope is taken away. I don't think any of us here can really understand what this is like for him if this is the case (do we really know that there relationship is over?). It's not the same for someone with HFAD as it is for someone who does not have it. So I hope that this is something that people will consider before they judge matt.

Again I apologize for trolling and the long post.

Bison we are here and we want you back!”

“So why are you trolling?”

“in the future, please don't use acronyms until you have clearly spelled out what they stand for somewhere prior. all here aren't as intelligent as you are dear troll, and may not be able to figure out what HFAD stands for.

thank you.”

“If you do Google on HFAD then the first hit is:

HUDEBNÍ FESTIVAL ANTONÍNA DVOŘÁKA”

“if your a friend then you wouldn't have posted that esp as a troll. If you wanted to talk to him in private about it that is cool but IMO you shouldn't have brought it up on here.”

“troll123, in my opinion, if you think it is too sensitive to post and you don't want to hurt Bison's feelings, then you should not post it at all.

This whole thread is baffling.”

“Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends .. . .”

“I just wanted there to be some understanding, to maybe provide some insight that most people wouldn't consider. that's all.”

“That so wasn't me btw, even though I've been in bars with Bison.”

“HFAD”

“Ok people, time to stop being amateur psychologists and step away from the thread.”

“Y2, never would have thought it was you until you mentioned it ;)”

“High-Functioning Autistic Disorder”

“High Functioning Autistic Disorder

It appears that all I have done is ruffle feathers.

mea culpa.”

“I think enough as been said. If someone lives by him and wants to pay him a visit, that may be nice though some people who are going through pain just want to be alone.”

“troll123
Unless you are a professional therapist, your speculation about Bison's mental status is out of line. And if you were a professional therapist, you would know better than to post it on this forum. You say you want to provide us with "insight" well it's not our business. And frankly it isn't your's either.
*grumbling* trolls! *grumbling*

lee, yet we keep coming back, eh? LOL! It's like a car wreck. Can't help but look. ; )”

“lipstick hiker, you have posted twice to this thread and both times contradicted yourself. please, in the future, only talk out of one side of your mouth.

thank you.
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“H.F.A.D OR H.O.A.X ??”

“There was an girl who was blatantly hitting on Bison, he had no idea, even though it was abvious to anyone else there
troll123
3:33:40 PM
5/03/05


troll, I wasn't there but did you ever stop to think that maybe Bison wasn't interested in her. He was being nice and just carrying on a conversation with her. Yeah us guys can be nice some times..lol”

“who the what the???”

“Here is my point, people are making assumptions about how bison is feeling and reacting based on their own experience. I'm just asking that people try to walk in his shoes before they judge someone who may be reacting to somthing in a way that can being very difficult if not impossible for most of us to understand.”

“Before criticizing a person walk a mile in their shoes.

That way if they get mad,
you are a mile away
and they are barefoot.”

“I've HFAD enough of this thread...”

“http://www.pharma-lexicon.com/

No Search Results
Unfortunately there are no medical/pharma acronyms or abbreviations that match your search criteria... "HFAD"
Please ensure you have entered your search criteria correctly.

LOL !!”

“Manuka if you're really interested you may want to see if there's an entry on AS (Asperger's Syndrome)”

“manuka, try using www.dogpile.com to search for HFAD. It does come up”

“High functioning Autistic Disorder is not a well recognized disorder, but it is one of a number of diagnoses within the autistic spectrum that is becoming popular among some. Another similar concept is "non-verbal learning disability." Neither are in the DSM, the accepted dictioary of accepted mental disorders. According to one view, people with NVLD supposedly often miss non-verbal cues, and don't get a lot of what is being communicated in face to face interaction and lack social understanding.

I don't know Bison at all, except through his posts. Nothing he's shown me suggests any of these shoes fit - so, please don't think I am speculating about him. Since I teach psychology part time, I couldn't resist going into educational mode here.

Here is on link on "H.A.D." I don't endorse it or reject it... its just the first one I found: http://www.phad-fife.org.uk/index2.php?filename=asd.html
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