smoke pot

“Hey how 'bout explaining this:

"in their right mind"
HPM

Whenever I see someone put a smoke of any type in their mouth, my opinion of that person drops to "stupid." And my best saying is, "She looked pretty to me until she put a cigarette in her mouth!"”

“ROTHFLMAO! I think I may a friendlie. One of these days i'll become a cynic.
Sassafras
10:46:56 PM
2/25/03


Welcome to the dark side, Sass!”

“I don't see the comparison tree. How is my carrying a pistol going to impair my judgement in any way? Because I carry a pistol I may stumble around in a firearm induced stupor and fall off a cliff? Or maybe in a firearm induced fog I may start hugging people, then stumbling off a cliff. Oh I get it, my carrying an inanimate object, could cause me to piss my own sleeping bag in the middle of the night. Not to be a flamer or anything, but saying there are comparisons to the two are downright ludicrous. We all have our opinions and are entitled to them, but to say that a firearm impairs judgement and abilities the same as mind altering drugs is just silly.
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“i can understand tree's point squirrel.

guns or alcohol could be seen as potential risks.

either one is fine if'n folks are responsible with them, but they are still potentially hazardous.”

““I don't see the comparison tree. How is my carrying a pistol going to impair my judgement in any way?”
squirrelbait
10:08:22 AM
5/19/05
ignore this use

It doesn't, but I can see how people would be uncomfortable around a person carrying a pistol.”

“I can see how they may be uncomfortable, but the point is, it doesn't alter the mind like the drugs found in alcohol or pot.”

“How is my carrying a pistol going to impair my judgement in any way?

squirrelbait
10:08:22 AM


it could make you think you have a bigger #&%!$.”

“If you drop a beer and it pops a cap it won't kill anyone.

If you point a beer at someone and if goes off it won't kill you.

If you get really pissed and pull a beer on someone it might make the situation better instead of worse.

Also if you pull a beer on a charging bear it might make your passing a bit more pleasant.”

“LOOK OUT!!!!
HE'S GOT A BEER!!!!!”

“come to think of it- both beer and a pistol might impair ones judgement about the size of their #&%!$.”

“Carrying a gun, alcohol or/and smokes all say something about your judgement.

How come this thread is not a "Fuego" thread?”

“Only if you can drink it before the bear gets on you... Would make a great comercial though. Guy gets charged, whips his Leinie's out, pops it open as the bear hits him, gets mauled while drinking it, smiling all the time... Of course a dope smoker might scare the bear with his flashing lighter...”

“Because a troll started it.”

“Carrying a gun, alcohol or/and smokes all say something about your judgement.

How come this thread is not a "Fuego" thread?”
nowslimmer



b/c potsmokers don't fight. pay attention NS :)”

“How can I pay attention with all this smoke in my eyes?”

“Hey, I don't know you. Except for the fact that you like guns. You are pretty flip about carrying one. You have demonstrated that by your own words. You talk about dangers. Why should I find comfort in knowing that some guy (who I really don't know) is carrying a gun? Sorry, but I don't. The context we were talking about here is in inherent dangers in the hiking concerning alcohol and drugs. I went a bit out of scope by including something that would be what I consider equally, or more, dangerous. Perhaps if I knew you and trusted you, I would be a little less edgy about this. But, I don't. I repsect how you feel about pot and liquor. Sorry, you can't see fit to return the respect...

For the record, find where I said that the gun would impair your judgment. The only thing impaired is your reading ability...
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“bawahahahahahahaaaa
HPM..
That's funny!
I can just picture someone in the Weaver stance with a Bud pointing in my face....LOL!”

“And in their excitement they blow the can through sheer pressure. Killing the threat with the blown off beer can top.”

“Alright, we got drugs and gun. If some brings religion in here somewhere we'll have a full blown TT Trifecta going! Woohoo meltdown!!!”

“hmmm, I had rather hike with someone who is carrying pot or alcohol than a gun. Even if I know them. People can get stupid with guns while joking around”

“wait for it......”

“Ewww, budweiser. I'd turn and run!”

“Personally, I haven't smoke or drunk to the point of drunkeness for years (I do get a beer buzz pretty easily and I've done that a number of times) and I share HPM's attitudes about what other people do. I have seen excessive drinking by TT'ers - but it hasn't bothered me, its been off trail or in cabins that were multi-night base camps and its been at night and it hasn't gotten out of control.

I agree with Sassafras on the comparisons between the effects of pot and alcohol. While neither enhances people's judgement on the trail, I've seen worse from alcohol. I also worked in an Emergency room for years (as the psych consultant) and have seen so much worse from alcohol than pot.

But as Nigal points out, it partly depends on when and how the drug is used. Furthermore, pot is illegal. This means that people who are holding in my car or smoking while hanging out with me can expose me to arrest or other consequences (this is part of what HPM alluded to). Also, being illegal - most marijuana use supports some pretty ugly activities by dealers, trafficers and growers and that adds to the problems of pot. Lastly there are some people who totally freak when stoned. I also don't want my sons exposed to either people smoking or getting drunk when either of them are with me on a trip. It puts me in the position of having to either raise a stink or appear to show tacit approval (or at the very least, tolerance). Maybe when they hit 25 or so, I'll feel differently.”

“It's been known to happen, Ewker. But, obviously this joker thinks he's hot sh_t with his firearms.”

““Beat dogs, Nigal? I don't get that. Is that supposed to be an insult? I am truly not sure...”

I was giving a use that a gun has on the trail. It was an attempt at comparative humor. You can smoke and fulfill the use of a gun at the same time. Then again, you could just shotgun them in the face with a big hit off the hookah too. That’d slow ‘em down.

Long story even longer, no insult intended.”

“An Irish Catholic priest with a 44 magnum, and a bottle of brandy upbraiding the TTers for immorality and sinning. Or would a Baptist minister be more scary. Well no alcohol I suppose, but lots of guns...hmmmm...”

“WTF is SB talking about? Anyone?

Cool, Nigal. I just didn't get it at the time...”

“Yes I do think I'm hot #&%!$ with firearms, because I have to carry one daily. A gun is nothing but a tool. the problem with most people in this country is they think that all gun owners are crazy irresponsible louts who are quick to temper and prone to brandishing a gun for the sheer joy of it. The fact is most people who carry a gun be it open or concealed is that they are extremely responsible and would never impair their judgements with alcohol or drugs while carrying, thereby making them even more responsible.”

“He's going for the trifecta Treebeard.”

“you can't hug your children with guns.”

“Looks like I'm not the only one with reading comprehension problems today. Nigal said add religion to the mix and you would have a full blown TT trifecta. I just made the trifecta. Oh and it was supposed to be tongue in cheek, if the comprehension level is too low to catch that.”

“I've never even seen anyone use pot on the trail. I've probably been on a dozen or more TT trips and haven't seen any at all. I think I went to sleep before TC2 got really rowdy. Savage Gulf '04 had some excessive drinking, but I was in bed for that too. I still remember hearing Father Goose yelling "Where the phuck is my van?" as he wandered aimlessly atop a 200' cliff. Not pretty. That trip drastically changed my attitude about drinking on trips. Every trip I've organized since that one I've been very upfront about. You wanna drink a beer or take a pull off a whiskey bottle? Fine. You wanna get sloshed? Find another trip.”

“but you can hug them with dope smoke and a snifter of brady?”

“whoah boys. let's calm down. no need to get personal.

i think SQ and TB need to sit down and have drink and a couple puffs together.”

“Pass another beer to me and I'll try to comprehend. Or, maybe I'll just meditate a while about it.”

“I'll have a drink.. It's been a long night, I hate overnights..”

“Nigal you crack me up.... Just like JC in South Park...”

“Now, I l-o-v-e guns. Everyone in the PNWH posse knows it. I go shooting all the time, we own a ton of them. I carry-though rarely does anyone know when I am or not.
A gun is a tool.
I don't drink when I am carrying (and in WA state you cannot enter a bar/tavern with a firearm anyways).
Anyhoo-there a number of ladies out there with firearms boys ;-) And we see it is just fine to carry!
Heck I rarely drink on backpacking trips..too much extra weight.
I can think of only two pot smokers in our hiking group-and they don't do it on the trips. They understand that the #1 rule is nothing illegal. We have people from all types of jobs that hike together-even cops.
If I did catch someone lighting up on a group trip I'd throw it in the lake or river! Simply put: I grew up and quit acting like a teenager years ago, I have a kid, and I don't want to see anything illegal going down around me.
And drinking? We have done pretty well in phasing out party trips, by making sure the bigass group trips are in say, March when it is numbing cold..so the partyhardy's stay home!”

“Once again. I repsect your feelings, SB. I would not knowingly subject you or anyone to something that would make them uncomfortable. But, as long as you like to generalize about what I say and lump me into whatever narrow-minded stereotype you want to plop down me into, try this. I didn't say you were irresponsible. I don't know that. On the other hand, I don't know that you are. Are all cops shootings justified? Are there no cases that the power of the gun got the best of them? Of course not! Blanket statements can be very misleading. I suggest you think twice before applying them. It may add to your credibility. So, you are trained and carry one every day. Big whoop, dude! That doesn't make me feel any more comfortable about the prospect of hiking with a guy like you. Again, sorry you can't respect my feelings. Now, let me stereotype you! You appear to be one of those parnoid gun nuts that think that everyone's agenda is taking your freakin' guns away! Hey, don't like being stereotyped? Neither do I. You made the bed. Sleep in it.”

“I'm with you, sarbar1.

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I'm not sleeping tonight. "I don't want to see anything illegal."
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“What's wrong with protecting your rights, Treebeard? I'll do about anything to keep my right to own mine!!
Ain't nothing paranoid about that...our rights are being eroded vastly....”

“I like being stereotyped, it makes it easier for me to establish goals and set agendas if I know what is expected of me.”

“Nigal, this is for you... WWJD? I think I'll disappear for a bit and come back on Friday to visit the carnage.”

“I'm with you Sarbar, and you too slimmer, regarding the smoke thing.”

“I never said anything about not protecting your rights. Aren't you straying just a bit from the point, Sarbar? I'm not trying to take Squirrely's guns away, or yours. I simply said I would feel uncomfortable with him. Is that so bad?”

“sarbar, is it a group hike or a private hike.

If it is just a group getting together to hike what gives you the right to take what they light up and throw it into the lake/river.

Some might feel the same way about your gun and throw it in the lake.

If it is a private hike then maybe, just maybe you can get by with it.
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““I like being stereotyped, it makes it easier for me to establish goals and set agendas if I know what is expected of me.”
squirrelbait

Good! Now, go put some more sandbags around your house and while you're at it, go shoot some hippies, wiseass!”

“i'd bet alot of money that more people have been killed by gun accidents (by responsible, trained people)

than drunken/stoned idiots have fallen off cliffs.”

“sacco - I'll bet not only is that true but that the ratio is more than 10:1. But if you add car wrecks due to drunks it will change over to 1:10 in favor of more fatalities due to drunks.
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