Filibusters Right or Wrong

“Birch, does that suprise you”
Ewker
11:08:27 PM
5/25/05

Ewker, the hypocrisy by any politician doesnt surprise me. I am just amazed that the ink isnt even dry on the last minute deal and here we are again.”

“Democrats Force Delay of Bolton Final Vote By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer
1 hour, 38 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Democrats forced the Senate to put off a final vote Thursday on John R. Bolton's nomination to be U.N. ambassador, the latest setback for the tough-talking nominee President Bush has called strong medicine for corruption and inefficiency at the United Nations.

Democrats contended the White House had stiff-armed the Senate over classified information on Bolton's tenure in his current job as the State Department's arms control chief, and demanded more information before the Senate can give Bolton an up-or-down vote.

Republicans needed 60 votes to end the Democrats' procedural delays and move to an immediate final vote on Bolton's confirmation. But the vote to halt the stalling was 56-42, four shy of that threshold. The final Bolton vote will not take place until at least June, after the Senate returns from a Memorial Day recess.

The dramatic roll call underscored that, despite the compromise the two parties' centrists forged just days ago in a bitter dispute over judicial nominees, most senators still had a taste for partisan confrontation over a polarizing figure like Bolton.

It also raised questions about Bush's ability to win confirmation of some of his more ideological appointees as he begins his second term in the White House. And it was a setback for Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., who was hoping to end nearly three months of delays and investigation and finally deliver Bolton's nomination for the president.

Frist said the Bolton matter soured the air of cooperation.

"John Bolton, the very first issue we turned to, we got what looks to me like a filibuster," Frist said. "It certainly sounds like a filibuster ... it quacks like a filibuster."

Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., said Democrats do not want to postpone an up-or-down vote indefinitely.

"We are willing to vote 10 minutes after we get back in session, if in fact they provide the information," Biden said.”

“Less than 24 hours after the Fillibuster 'deal' the Democrats are fillibustering Bolton's nomination.

Incredible.”

“bacpac, you need to read the whole thread before you make a comment.

"a ranking republican was quoted (I wish I heard his name but was busy trying not to wreck my work van as I heard this while driving) as saying "we will fillibuster this bill". "

so it is ok for the Reps to do that right after the deal eh.”

“Ewker, The Democrats called a fillibuster in the Senate today. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.”

“Frist has a ten vote lead in the Senate and yet he couldn't get a simple majority to end the judicial filibuster.

He has a rock solid majority in the Senate and yet it takes him 3 months plus to get an obvious nominee like Bolton to the UN.

We can argue all we want to about the right/left divide, but sometimes things don't happen simply because we don't have effective leadership.

I've seen nothing from Frist that makes me believe that he is competent.”

“I agree. The Republicans should have rammed the fillibuster down the Democrats throat. Frist needs to go.”

“To question the King is heresy!

Off with their heads!”

“bacpac, learn to friggin read. Rep have the majority and still can't things done. Seems to me a few Reps don't care for Bolden either and sided with the Dems. If you want to call that a filibuster go right ahead.

I notice how you didn't want to comment on what the Reps said they would do...filibuster...smoke that”

“You know, bacpac, I don't necessarily disagree with that statement.

I think that if we are going to live through a period in which right wing nutjobs control everything in Washington that they should just implement the entire agenda.

Get rid of Roe v. Wade.
Abolish all social programs.
Establish evangelical Christianity as the state religion.
Abolish social security.
Let the health care and pension systems wither away and die.

Then, let's see how many get elected again in the next 50 years.

But enacting the agenda requires the Republicans to be united, reasonable and strategic in their thinking. They show no signs of that right now.

I do look forward to the day in which Roe is overturned. The American public is moderate on this issue. If the legislatures were allowed to decide, abortion would be legal with some limitations in most places. And then it would be decided once and for all. Let the moderate majority finally rule.

And then we can argue about other things for once.”

“Right wing nut jobs? You watch too much television.”

“Correction, Too much CSPAN:)”

“Did you catch REPUBLICAN George Voinovich adding volume to the Potomac today?

Highly entertaining. To paraphrase Michael Savage - that oughta scare the terrorists.

George Voinovich = Right Wing Nutjob”