Leaving the left

“come on, wandy, its rude to just sit there staring and saying nothing”

“I was waiting for an intelligent response from MarkO the LeftO, guess I should just retire.”

“The people to be most most admired are people who make their decisions based upon careful thought & analysis... not the old, tired, "but I've ALWAYS thought this!" BS.

What is hilarious, and, simultaneouly, VERY sad, is that someone would actually be critisized for THINKING about why they were Repub, Dem, Independent, whatever, and then changing their mind, either because they, as an individual, had changed, or because their party had changed.

Let's not have any of that "healthy debate" stuff take root here, let's just all follow the dictates of those we were told we were supposed to believe! THEY know best, WE'RE not allowed to think for ourselves!”

“So Benedict Arnold is a personal hero of yours?”

“That post was such crap it doesn't deserve a response.

How about sticking to the subject, how about actually discussing where Keith Thompson went astray in his thinking? That's what this thread is about.

OR, are you one of those too challenged by "thinking" to have an idea / opinion of your own?”

“"OR, are you one of those too challenged by "thinking" to have an idea / opinion of your own?”

I am an abjuration of Pedxing’s perversions. I can’t think for myself and must rely on his thinking. Please pity me…”

“im here for the free coffee and donuts”

“NC”

“Crash Bang = Doug Heffernan?”

“marko!
polo!
lefto!
pinko!”

“Salami!
Commie!”

“My bad. Why in the world I thought we might actually have an intelligent exchange of perspectives here on TT is beyond me... I need to move out of my dream world into reality.”

“So why not bang Monica."

Well, he was MARRIED. Even Hillary deserves the respect a spouse is due.”
Nigal
6:22:30 PM
5/26/05


Nigal, I think we both know their marraige was for convenience and possible political gain on both parts. Maybe at one time it was a marriage in the way it is meant to be but I don't think it was later on.

Either that or they both believe in open marriages and anything is fair.”

“we're sorry, wandy. we'll try to do better.

~puts on mostest serious expression~”

“I think that the best thing to do is to vote against whatever party has the most power at any given time.

Reagan was effective because he had a Democratic Congress (mostly) to check him.

Clinton was an effective president - when he kept the pants zipped up - because he had a Republican Congress to check him.

In reality, both parties have strong arguments to make and the key is to tie them all up together so that only the truly good policies have a prayer of getting through.”

“nope. sorry. your opinion is too well-balanced and un-biased. not good enough for trailtalk.”

“screw you, crash bang:)

Down with anti-moderates.”

“LOL at both RL & CB. You guys are truly in the spirit of TT!”

“Clinton was an effective president - when he kept the pants zipped up
reformed lurker
10:00:58 PM
5/26/05

he must have been effective when they were down also }:-O”

“weak, this K Thompson is.”

“It could be human nature that as we age we become more conservative. The baby boomer population bubble is getting older.”

“"Nigal, I think we both know their marraige was for convenience and possible political gain on both parts. Maybe at one time it was a marriage in the way it is meant to be but I don't think it was later on.

Either that or they both believe in open marriages and anything is fair.”

We can rationalize it any way we want but it is never acceptable. In mind someone who is willing to break their wedding vows is someone who will break any promise to anyone at any time. They are not to be trusted with anything from the presidency down to merely being truthful.

But that’s just me. I’m weird that way.”

“That's about the same with me Nigal, I'd never knowingly put someone who cheated on their spouse in a position of power or responsibility. If your husband/wife (who is supposed to be someone who can trust you absolutely) can't trust you, why should I?

Answer: I shouldn't.”

“Nigal, that isn't being weird.

We as a society are ready to critize people without knowing all of the details. We can speculate all we want be we still have no clue as to what is going on. We hear one side and take it as fact.”

“Well, he was MARRIED. Even Hillary deserves the respect a spouse is due.”
Nigal


For someone who doesn't hate her, you are pretty much reducing her to sub-human status with a comment like this, Nigal.


Let's see how this would sound? Let's say we're on a thread that is about marriage. The issue of the sancity of marriage comes up through a diatribe about cheating. Along comes a wisecracking TTer with a statement like, "Even Nigal deserves the respect that a spouse is due. Would you take that as:

A) an insult
B) a comment well deserved
C) A compliment
D) return the favor with an equally cutting comment

Just some food for thought...”

“Nice try Tree, but I'm afraid Nigal would answer B just to spite you.”

““That's about the same with me Nigal, I'd never knowingly put someone who cheated on their spouse in a position of power or responsibility. If your husband/wife (who is supposed to be someone who can trust you absolutely) can't trust you, why should I?”

If it’s one thing I have learned in my 36 years the most important one I have learned is you can always tell how someone will treat you by how they treat others. If someone freely talks shlt on someone else to you; you can guarantee they will talk shlt on you to others. If someone will so freely wrong their life partner how much can WE expect from them? Very little.”

“I thought of that, Bison. But, I figured the response would be the old stand-by. Something like this:

I don't give a phuck what any TT'er thinks of me or anyone on an interent board, etc. etc...”

““We as a society are ready to critize people without knowing all of the details. We can speculate all we want be we still have no clue as to what is going on. We hear one side and take it as fact.”

Sometimes things are so absolutely black and white, right and wrong that there is no need for details. The moral contract between a man and woman as well as that between a man/man/woman/woman is so absolute nothing under the sun can justify the breaking of that contract. And again, this is just me. Does this make me judgmental? Hell yeah. Is that a bad thing? No.”

“Depends on to what extent you take your judgmental qualities, right? This can turn into a bad thing, no?”

“"Even Nigal deserves the respect that a spouse is due."

Haha! I'd say from half the people here it would be a compliment. I do care what people say and I do care what I say to others. It's hard and sometimes it doesn't show but I try very hard now to treat others as if I'm speaking face to face.

My comment about "even Hillary" is a reflection of her image in most people's eyes as a whole. Not just mine. Everyone is due respect in my eyes. they don't always get it through my own shortcomings but they are still due that respect.”

“Several of you made comments that if you don't change your beliefs at some point, at least on some issues, you're not thinking.

Sarge, I don't think changing your beliefs is some sort of litmus test for critical thought nor do I think that was exactly what was intended by earlier comments.

The point I think they were trying to make about changing beliefs is that there needs to be a willingness and an honest effort to examine your beliefs to determine their validity.

I too belong to the camp that doesn't have much use for dogmatic "thinkers" and holds self examination in high regard. Over the years I've run the gamut on many issues and there are a few that have not fundamentally changed but many have shifted and plenty of them have been abandoned.

As far as politics go I have a hard time reconciling my desire for unrestricted personal freedom with a percieved need for totalitarianism.
last edited: 5/27/05 8:30:16 AM”

“Nigal, would your way of thinking apply to a married couple who believe in open marriages. Their marriage can be just as strong as anyone else's. You would have to have more trust in that type of relationship than a regular marriage.”

“My comment about "even Hillary" is a reflection of her image in most people's eyes as a whole

I don't always subscribe to public beliefs, especially when it takes the form of mob scene mentality, which I feel had happened with the Clinton's at times, in the past. Yeah, she's no angel. And neither is Bill. For that matter, I can just imagine some of the skeletons in the Bush Family closet. Could be comparable with the Kennedys'. But, this is neither here nor there. I'm not married to her. She's just my Senator. So, on that basis alone, she's actually doing a very good job with Chuck Schumer in this state. I did vote for her the first time. And I am not sorry. As of now, I will vote for her re-election unless someone else I believe in more pops into the picture.”

“Why is Ewker suddenly obsessed with open marriages?”

“Treebeard for Senate! You can take her!

C'mon Tree, we could always use some more excitement around here.”

“bang Monica !!

Did he ??

All I have heard is that she took a gargling and a cigar. Oh and a DNA donation on a blue dress.

Just like the marijuana, Bill incurred all the penalties with few if any benefits, how smart is that? At least smart enough not to have a paternity suit and a 300lb second wife.”

“I see your point, Ewk. Unfortunately, in this day and age of dog eat dog politics and political correctness, when you go into higher public office, you essentially give your life to the job. It is no longer yours. You are there for the media to either praise you or tear to shreds. You are there to be scrutinized by public opinion. Although unfair as it seems to be judged by people whose mentalities range from extremely bright down to that of a birdbrain, you have to accept it. This is the price you pay for having the power. Don't want it? Go sell insurance or be an accountant...
last edited: 5/27/05 8:41:17 AM”

“Bison is my Karl Rove!”

“Wow Tree, so you are running against Hillary for office in 2008.

When did you change parties ?”

“Treebeard's running on the Ent Power ticket.

“Bison is my Karl Rove!”
Treebeard
8:39:28 AM
5/27/05

OOOOOHHHH a chance to manipulate the hearts and minds of NY'ers, I'll take it!”

“This morning, About 9 AM. I just had breakfast. If I toss my cookies before lunch, I'm changing back!”

“You're hired! Now, get to work. I don't pay you to schmooze on the internet all day!”

“Hey! I'm working hard to get you the TT vote.”

“Good. Report back to me later in the day!”

“So it is true

"politics makes unlikely bedfellows"”

““Depends on to what extent you take your judgmental qualities, right? This can turn into a bad thing, no?”

Of course.”

““Nigal, would your way of thinking apply to a married couple who believe in open marriages. Their marriage can be just as strong as anyone else's. You would have to have more trust in that type of relationship than a regular marriage.”


It’s a moot point because an open marriage is not a marriage in my eyes. That’s a room mate with benefits.”

“I don't judge how other people handle their marriages. Especially since it's an institution with, at best, a 50% success ratio in this country.”

“Here’s a good example. One of my best friends is an alcoholic and used to shove his live in girlfriend around when he’d get all juiced up. He realized he was being a bad person so he got sober, married her and became a good husband to her. I trust him with my very life and would do anything for him. I have another friend who cheated on his wife and gives a million rationales for his behavior but he never owns it. He is a friend but I don’t trust him to take back my dvds to Blockbuster.

It’s not so much being judgmental but rather being discerning. We all have our moral limits and we always compare those around us to that level of morality. Everyone does it weather they admit it. What we do with that comparison is what’s important.”