UN experts - WMD material removed from I raq

“SH, quit hating America.




Hater.”

““You're right. You and Bush are of the same mold.”
Sarge
1:51:12 PM
7/08/05

Man, that was cruel and low.”

““Imminent in that if we didn't do something then, the next concern we'd have would be the dead bodies in America.

They existed. Those scientists he had working for him still might have been working on a new and improved peanut butter, but I don't think so.”
Sarge


2:16:38 PM
7/08/05

Imminent

adj : close in time; about to occur; "retribution is at hand"; "some people believe the day of judgment is close at hand"; "in imminent danger"; "his impending retirement."”

“Dictionaries have a liberal bias.”

“lol”

“Taking notes now ..... So this is how you kick pedX in the stones. Tell him he's cut from the same cloth as Bush!”

“Sol --- I'm still reeling. Even Bacpac never got that nasty.”

“It was a compliment to you.”

“Judgement day is imminent. It was 2000 years ago also.

Don't you get it? It was going to happen.

Of course, Bush is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

They blamed him for 9/11. If a nuke went off 2 years later, they would have blamed him for not doing something about that too.

You guys will never accept ANYTHING Bush does except leave office. You know it's true, so stop pretending you have a political moral system. All you have is hatred.”

“I will give you this bone. My biggest fear is that our country is closer to economic implosion than we know. It won't take much to send the US into an economic tailspin. If the housing bubble were to collapse, or if some of the big finacial houses that deal in derivatives took major hits, or if the Euro became the world's reserve currency of choice, then we, the US, could be in for some very bad times. Our economic problems could take the whole world into a depression. This could conceivably bring on WWIII and that war will be a nuclear conflagration. If this is the real reason that Bush is seizing Middle Eastern oil reserves then I might give Bush the benefit of seeing the bigger picture. But at the same time it doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling to know that our elected leaders have let things get this bad. If for the next 50 years we are going to have to post a large standing army inside an area of the world were the people hate us, not because we have "liberty", but because we are on their land and taking the resources of their country, then we are in a world of hurt. History will judge us as an imperialistic empire. I have a problem with that and I sure don't want my fourteen year old son drafted because of it.

So what are we going to do? The way I see it the US MUST START the development of alternative energy sources. And start building nuclear reactors I might add. The US MUST ACT in a more evenhanded way in resolving the Palestinian issue. We can't continue to back the apartheid policies of Israeli and paint all Arabs as the bad guys all the time. It is simply not the case and the Arabs are tired of it. The US MUST seriously try to wrangle with the problem of our deficit. If not the value of our currency will go into free fall on the world markets and /or FOREIGNERS WILL OWN ALL OF THE ASSETS OF THE COUNTRY. That includes all the mineral rights, the timber, the factories, the oil companies and any oil reserves we have, the coporations, the mortgage companies, the real estate. You name it, everything! It's already happening. Think about it Sarge. This blustering around with a big stick is not the way to solve our problems.
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“The way I see it the US MUST START the development of alternative energy sources. And start building nuclear reactors I might add.
solitary hiker
7:50:35 AM
7/09/05

I'll agree with you on that. I think we have the technology to operate nuclear reactors safely if we are careful about where we locate them. I think conservation is also important.”

“Of course, Bush is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

They blamed him for 9/11. If a nuke went off 2 years later, they would have blamed him for not doing something about that too.

You guys will never accept ANYTHING Bush does except leave office. You know it's true, so stop pretending you have a political moral system. All you have is hatred.”
Sarge
6:07:16 PM
7/08/05

You know, there IS a middle ground between doing nothing and attacking Iraq damn near unilaterally (please hold the hollow coalition speech).
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“You guys will never accept ANYTHING Bush does except leave office. You know it's true, so stop pretending you have a political moral system. All you have is hatred.”
Sarge
8:07:16 PM
7/08/05


More personal attacks. I hope you've noted that while I can fiercely attach a point of view, I haven't engaged in such negative characterizations of others.

BTW: I was joking about the insult in being compared to Bush. I figured the comment might be a compliment, or it might be sarcastic, but it seemed funny to respond as if it were intended to hurt.”

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http://www.insanereagan.com/graphics.shtml”

“In the past I've maintained that Saddam had current WMD.

I cautioned some of you not to be so insistent that he didn't have them, as you one day will eat your words.

I warned that just because Bush said we didn't find them, does not mean that he thinks Saddam didn't have them.

I urged you to consider that we know Saddam had them, the question was always "where did he put them?".

Through many protests of some of you, I've defended Bush as someone who did not lie about WMD in Iraq, and even though you had no proof, you insisted that he did lie.

I suggested to you that we know more than we have let on about Saddam's WMD, regardless of what is put in the press. Some of you couldn't fathom that if we did know for sure, we'd supress that information, even though I insisted that was the way it is.

The day has not yet come that I still predict will happen where the undeniable truth will come out (although some of you will never claim your mistake), the truth that Saddam DID have WMD.

In the meantime, you might want to go purchase the book Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied and Survived Saddam Hussein by Georges Sada, a former Saddam general and former vice marshal of the Iraqi Air Force. He states in his book that Saddam did have current WMDs, and he sent them to Syria (as I said he did) in June 2002 via refitted commercial jets under the guise of a humanitarian aid mission for flood victims.

peace out”

“Well that pretty much settles it now doesn't it?

I feel so bad for doubting Bush now. I must have been in the grips of some cult-like delusion.
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“Like I said: "The day has not yet come that I still predict will happen where the undeniable truth will come out (although some of you will never claim your mistake),..."”

“Yeah... Those people who won't ever claim their mistake despite overwhelming evidence look really crazy to the rest of us.
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“LOL! Yep, right on cue. Nice job V. Predictable as night and day.

I heard an interview with Mr Sada and didn't hear anything delusional. You're right Sarge, when looking in the mirror and seeing a sunburn, these guys will still claim it was raining.”

“What? I'm agreeing with Sarge.

I can't believe some people would question such an unimpeachable source. Probably the same weirdoes who don't believe in the tooth fairy.”

“If this general is telling us the truth, then the WMDs weren't in Iraq when we invaded. The information packaged for Powell to present to the UN would still be misinformation.
If - there were WMD's sent to Syria - it would also be interesting to know what they were and what quality they were. If there are dangerous WMD's in Syria with an owner locked in jail, then we are probably less safe for having invaded. They are more up for grabs by terrorists than ever.”

“spin, spin, spin......
LOL”

“Try standing up straight and steady Stove, you won't get so dizzy next time.”

“Well sed...................ped

both posts”

“... and Richard Clarke was a liar who was only trying to sell a book.”

“No, General Sada Mee is trying to sell a book.....Iraqi General......needs a job

Richard Clark is a loyal American and career civil servant who is concerned for the future of his country.

Which one is trying to help his country and which one is trying to make a strike?”

“Sarge, whether or not this former general is telling the truth or not is irrelevent to the liberal left. Yes, I believe Iraq's WMD's were removed prior to the invasion, probably to Syria or buried in the desert. Anyway you want to look at it, unless the WMDs were presented to the media with tickertape and fanfare right after the invasion, there is no way anyone from the liberal left would believe it anyway, they would say it's a setup and a lie. The liberal left will never believe that Iraq had WMDs, period.”

“About 9 months ago there was a photo on the Fox News web that showed a number of the Sarin Gas amphules. They were pretty cool, even still had the cryllic (Russian) writing. The statement said something about if they were released they would kill 50 or so thousand. Then there was the underground Chemical Lab found in Baghdad in November.
Like everything (say Enviromental supporters teaching Scouts about proper responsible use of the environment) if it does not fit the Media Template, good luck running it.”

“I have it on good authority that the WMD's are hidden on a spaceship behind a comet. If you'll all kill yourselves, the media will be forced to reveal the truth.”

“...only kidding.

Hahaha.”

“pedxing - The WMDs weren't given to Syria for free. Saddam could still use them with a simple "can I have them now?" so to say he didn't have them at the time of the invasion is silly. We're talking about the next country over. Look at them on the map, they're like 2 of our states.”

“Dream on......"The WMDs weren't given to Syria for free. Saddam could still use them with a simple "can I have them now?"

Oh sure, its just like borrowing your neighbor's car.

Oh wait, most neighbors won't do that.

"Dude, I just want to take the chemical weapons out for a drive in the country."

And just how is Saddam gonna "use them" while he is in custody??”

“Okay , somemore truth. I didn't bush my teeth before going to bed on; Aug. 12 ,1957.
Am I a good guy now?”

“Violin, after you (LOL). If you read the original "orders" They reference the UN Orders. Four which got progressivly stronger. The sad thing is that like the League of Nations in 1936 no one wanted to enforce the law.

The truth, He had 'em (reference the use in Iran/Iraq war, or against his own people. At the end of the Gulf War, one of the agreements for us to stop bombing and ceace turning his troops into Jelly, was that he eliminate the weapons and allow the UN to insepect to see that the stuff had been eliminated. Regardless of what that blithering buffoon Scott Ritter ( I do have a close friend who described Scott as as close to Mr. Magoo as you could get) we were barred from areas, refused entry, and the inspectors were harassed and threatened.
In 1946 if out troops had been refused entry into say a Japanese base. What would have happened?”

“I just can't get over how anyone would align with an outlook that has people that

says we hate Bush so Sadam couldn't have WMD's

also

A. Claps in unison to the congress failing to do its job.

B. Invites someone like Cindy He-man to potentially disrupt the state of the Union Address thinking it would benefit them.

C. Pick a wet behind the ears Gov. to give a reponse when he cant even read a teleprompter. all I got was I am the Governor of Va. and I cant read a teleprompter.



Oh yea,

the Dems have so blown their Cred, I expect them to nominate the tooth fairy and beleive she'll win.”

““pedxing - The WMDs weren't given to Syria for free. Saddam could still use them with a simple "can I have them now?" so to say he didn't have them at the time of the invasion is silly. We're talking about the next country over. Look at them on the map, they're like 2 of our states.”
Sarge
2:33:13 PM
2/02/06


Sarge: the point is that if they were in Syria, then invading Iraq would do nothing useful about the WMD's. In fact, Saddam might have more reason and less to lose by authorizing terrorists to have them.”

“XL: Of course Saddam had them and used them at one point - back when he was our friend and Rummy was helping him. WMDs degrade over time, some were destroyed... it was and is a very legitimate question as to whether he had any left that could do anything at the time we invaded.

As far as these alleged finds you mention. If there was anything to them that held up to scrutiny, don't you think Bush and his buddies would be trumpeting their existence right now? The media trumpeted other evidence of WMD's - each time they turned out to be unsubstantiated, so the media template is not the issue. Proof Saddam had them would sell papers - the owners are mostly conservative, and they are all interested in selling papers.
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“CHUPACABRA WHERE ARE YOU?!!!

Not only did they hide the WMD's they also took the Chupacabra! Maybe the Chubacabra's took the WMD's.
http://www.oftm.com/chupa.html”

“Sarge: the point is that if they were in Syria, then invading Iraq would do nothing useful about the WMD's. In fact, Saddam might have more reason and less to lose by authorizing terrorists to have them. - pedxing

pedxing - This really confuses me. What do you mean it would do nothing useful about the WMDs? The WMDs were created by Saddam for use against us and our allies. Did you think if he did have them in one of his palaces that going in and airlifting them out of there would have been sufficient? WMDs were one of many reasons for taking out Saddam, but our goal was never to just take them away from him and let him go on his merry way.”

“"Those weapons of mass destruction must be somewhere," Bush cracked while showing slides of administration officials searching the White House. The routine elicited laughter from the audience of politicians and media figures.

What an idiot!”

“Sarge: I meant what I said "it would do nothing useful about the WMDs?" - in fact it could be counter-productive with respect to the WMDs. Whether or not there were other reasons, besides the alleged "WMD threat" for invading is a separate topic.”

“pedxing - Those WMDs came from his programs. He could have made more. Airlifting them out of Iraq would have only postponed him using them. We had to elliminate his means of making them.”

“Ped...WMD's degrade over time...? Which WMD's are you referring to? The truth of the invasion (and by the way something the dying major media WILL NOT REPORT) is that there were 19 UN Resolutions which were violated. Four had distinct, DO IT OR ANY MEMBER CAN ENFORCE IT, orders.

As I said earlier, I wonder what would have happened in 1936 if the Treaty ending WW I had been enforced? Then we find that the biggest opponents to the invasion were France, Russia, Germany....and they were all major on the take from Saddam.. (PROVEN)

If anyone wants to consider the previous administration's invasion of the Balkans....it was done WITHOUT a UN resolution (can you say unilateral), and if you want to consider who supported it VS who supported the Iraq invasion....we lost dying democracies of Germany, France, and most the weasel European nations in their place we were supported by the new world powerhouses of South Korea, Japan and Austrailia.”

“The day is getting closer I warned you people who said "Bush Lied" about last summer ...

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200602\NAT20060215a.html

I can't wait for your apologies.

Let 'em roll in ...
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“Show me the MONEY, not the empty WALLET.”

“And America holds it's breath anyway waiting for that apology even though it will never come...

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“I can smell something in the air.”

“It will be interesting to see if this is reported by NBC, ABC, CBS and FOX. I have seen a lot of 'news' on the internet that was not back up by the facts.”

“Did I hear "Facts" and the "Internet"????

Cybercast News Service (CNS) is a subsidiary of the conservative news monitoring group, the Media Research Center (MRC). Originally calling itself the "Conservative News Service," CNS changed its name to Cybercast in 20

History
CNS was launched on July 16, 1998, by founder Brent Bozell, as an "alternative news service" to mainstream news sources which reports by MRC claim have a "liberal bias."

CNS says it strives to "cover stories that are subject to the bias of omission and report on other news subject to bias by commission," and "endeavors to fairly present all legitimate sides of a story."

[edit]CNS claims proof Hussein had WMD and ties to Al Qaeda
On October 4, 2004, CNS reported that a "senior government official who is not a political appointee" provided CNS with 42 pages of Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) documents which were then translated from Arabic by two CNS translators. CNS reports that the official told them that the documents answer "whether or not Iraq was a state sponsor of Islamic terrorism against the United States. It also answers whether or not Iraq had an ongoing biological warfare project continuing through the period when the UNSCOM inspections ended."

CNS further claimed three experts reviewed the documents and said they were likely geniune: Laurie Mylroie, author of the book Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein's Unfinished War against America; Bruce Tefft, a retired CIA official; and an unnamed former UNSCOM weapons inspector. The named "experts" are both individuals with a history of making ideologically charged and controversial statements in support of the war in Iraq neoconservative agenda. The anonymous individual who supplied the documents is quoted as saying it is "unlikely" that others in the U.S. government "even know this exists." The article does not explain how this is possible if this source is indeed a "senior government official." The timing of the news story, which appeared near the end of the U.S. presidential campaign, suggests that it was written with the intention of shoring up support for Bush, whom the article notes has been hurt politically by the failure of investigators to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=CNSNews.com”