UN experts - WMD material removed from I raq

“"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003”

“Republicans have been consistent all along, and the democrats said one thing when it suited them, then lied when it suited them, no matter what the consequences to the country's safety, or the safety of our troops.

They aided and abetted the enemy, and will now be totally discredited and shamed, if these new materials pan out.”

“You dudes must have some good boots to be able to keep kicking this dead horse.”

“Actually, I credit my spoon. Great for stirring the pot.”

“I think Sarge is way over hyping this ... - pedxing

I have not hyped this at all pedxing. I have been sure to say that "in the future" it will become obvious to the average citizen that he had usable WMD before our removal of the evil dictator. I have been careful not to say that this is the smoking gun proof for everyone. So to say I am over hyping it is strange indeed.”

“�The day is getting closer I warned you people who said "Bush Lied" about last summer ...

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200602\NAT20060215a.html

I can't wait for your apologies.

Let 'em roll in ...

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Sarge
12:16:39 PM
2/15/06

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“Oh yeah - and then there was this:

I was wrong. I'm an idiot. Please forgive me.

�bump

Just getting this warmed up for you guys who said that Saddam didn't have WMD and insisted Bush was a liar.

Just giving you plenty of heads up so you can prepare yourselves to post on here when the day comes.

TTFN�
Sarge
4:08:26 PM
2/15/06”

“pedxing - If you'll notice, in both cases I purposely put things about a future date: "the day is getting closer" .... "when the day comes".

You said I was overhyping this, meaning the audio tapes. Not so. If I was overyhyping this, I would have said the day is now. I even made certain I put in the future references for people like you and you read right over it both times!”

“It seems as if the Dems are using the videos to soften the blow to their egos and soften the edge off the hard stand they have taken the whole time on WMD. It's a testament to the level of intelligence and esteem the Dem leadership holds its constituants.they think we're to dumb to figure that out.”

“Sarge - there is overhyping and then there is extreme overhyping.”

“Ooooo kaaaaayyyyyy ..... ???”

“In my eyes you overhyped. As you point out, it could have been way overhyped.”

“pedxing - Everytime I posted about this, I PURPOSEFULLY made sure NOT to overhype this situation by saying things like "in the future", that is - as more information becomes available. I WENT OUT OF MY WAY, not to hype this at all, and all you can say is that I over-hyped it!

It's like you're living in a different dimension or something.

Read my posts again - going back to the ones about the Saddam air-force dude, and this time look for when I say things like "in the future", referring to when the public becomes fully aware of what happened to the WMD. I PURPOSEFULLY worded it that way each time as to NOT over-hype these findings.

You're playing "look at the shiney object" thing trying to make this about me instead of looking at the reality that Saddam had WMD leading up to the attack and all that said Bush lied will one day be proven wrong.

I couldn't have mentioned this and hyped it any less. The only thing I hyped is that one day, those that said Bush lied will be proven wrong -- But I certainly in no way hyped, over-hyped, or anyother kind of hyped this situation. I mentioned it.”

“Is there such a thing as overhyping a story that is all hype and no substance?

I think not!

Therefore, the story is NOT overhyped, and PedXing should apologize and beg Sarge's forgiveness.


BTW, Sarge, could you let me know what next week's winning lotto numbers are, since your view of the future seems to be so clear? I'd appreaciate it. Thanks.”

“Phaedrus - I'd be guessing if I told you the numbers for next week. I'm not guessing about Saddam's WMDs.

If you think that the question of whether or not Saddam had WMD before the invasion is all hype - you're in stark disagreement with those that said Bush lied. I tend to agree with your statement though, as there were many more equally pressing reasons for invading Iraq. That said, he did have WMD right before the invasion. That is a fact, by the way, not a guess by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just warning those who don't believe so in advance not to yell too loudly about your opinion, as it will come back to haunt you, I promise. Did you watch Searching for Bobby Fisher? Did you see near the end where he offered him his outstretched hand? If not, watch it. You and your kind are Jonathan Poe.”

“Dead horse kick,kick,.....”

“Those that called Bush a liar will call the issue a dead horse. The left's ranting for years has been on the premise that Bush is untrustworthy because, as they claim, he lied. He didn't. The walls will come tumbling down. When? I don't know, but they will.”

“Dearest Sarge,

First of all, why are you called "Sarge"? What is the origin of your curious moniker? Ex-military? If so, why can you not let it go? Never in the military, but wish perhaps you had been so you, too, could play soldier? Not to worry, lots of our current leaders in Washington DC are in the same boat.

Next, why your obsession with this WMD issue? Do you have a deep-seated need for validation? How can you stop this behavior? One possibility is to cultivate other activities and relationships that are more acceptable to you and affirming of your values. That might include your relationship with your dog. Turn off the computer, if necessary, and get more involved in "real" life. Cut off all contact with this issue, letting everyone know you've decided to concentrate on your problems in your real life. Pick up some hobbies, like needlepoint, garage sales or even haiku. You might also consider individual therapy to provide support through these changes and to help you prevent similar problems from arising in the future, bastard.”

“The only WMD that need to be removed from Iraq are our troops !!!!!”

“Sarge, do you think you'd be more effective in your role of CIA operative and covert hand-to-hand training expert if you posted less on TT?

Currently, you're kind of reminding me of someone walking around on a street corner holding a sign that reads: "The end is nigh!"

BTW, when the aliens rip off their masks and reveal that they've been controlling your mind in the guise of Jerry Falwell, you're really going to have some explaining to do!”

“When dinosaur bones are proven to be gods trick on creation doubters.”

“Sarge is busy at the moment. He's corresponding with an Iqaqi 'sheik', giving him his bank account number and $20,000 to facilitate the transfer of 45 meeeelion American dollars that the Sheik's father had moved to a swiss bank account prior to the war.”

“The wingnut media is probably going to go ape#&%!$ with this whopper over the next couple of weeks. I just thought I'd give you a head's up.

I found Saddam’s WMD bunkers”

“When the truth is just too hard to face.”

“Let's invade Mexico to find them.”

“Naw , just the shrubbery trying to divert attention again.”

“Gotta love the lead in the last para ----

"Of course, we don’t know whether any of this is true."”

“Interesting Violin. There came a point when it was inescapable that either there was no WMD threat ever, or that the Bush team had monumentally screwed up and let WMDs out of containment.

Now that many on the right are ready to abandon Bush, option 2 may get more traction.”

“or that the Bush team had monumentally screwed up and let WMDs out of containment.

How can we place this blame on the Bush admin when the UN stalled for so long and gave them more than ample time to move WMDs?”

“Your assuming there were WMD's....”

“Slick willie said there were. That settles it.”

“Oh yeah... It was the UN that invaded Iraq, not the US.


Funny how some Bush Fans put so much stock in Clinton all-of-a-sudden. When did you convert?”

“Sorry, no conversion. Just pointing out that since he said it, you must believe it.”

“On the one hand the "intelligence community" brags about how they can read a license plate from satelites in orbit and then claim that the phantom WMD's must have been shipped out unseen.

Omnipotent one moment and then helpless/happless underdog the next.”

““Your assuming there were WMD's....”

Where did I say that? My point was the UN gave them the time.

Please learn English.”

“Engrish?”

“The U.N. gave them time to move something that wasn't there?

Once again we are helpless pawns of that big bully U.N.”

““The U.N. gave them time to move something that wasn't there?

I can no more say with certainty that there were WMD than you can say there weren't. Both would be ridiculous to assume. The big difference is, I never said there were there.


"Once again we are helpless pawns of that big bully U.N.”

When it comes down to who had the best chance of screwing the pooch, Bush or the UN, the UN was clearly the winner here. How many months did they stall? Yet we don't really see where the Bush admin could have let them slip away.”

“If no one saw them then they weren't there.

If those clowns had found ten bob worth of weapons-grade fuel they would have had a ticker tape parade and the media would have been all over it for weeks.

The Faux News would have had Bill O'Reilly dancin' a jig and Colmes would have blown Hannity live coast-to-coast.”

“How can we place this blame on the Bush admin when the UN stalled for so long and gave them more than ample time to move WMDs?”
Nigal
11:38:14 AM
4/24/07

Shortly before the invasion, Bush and team indicated they knew where all the WMD's were. Active US and UN inspections and monitoring would have prevented them from being moved. In the months between Powell's UN address and the US invasion - right up until the time the US had the inspectors clear out. If the WMD's slipped out after those surveillance photos were taken - it is definitely on Bush and team. If that article is right, it would definitely be on Bush and company.

Therefore, either the Bush case for - including Powell's show and tell was full of BS - or the Bush administration screwed up royally afterwards (or both).
last edited: 4/24/07 9:51:29 PM”

“US and UN inspectors? I thought they were just UN inspectors? And wasn't the big bone of contention the fact that Saddam was being abstinent and obstructive with the inspectors? Did the have trouble getting full access to all sites? But hey, who am I to ask questions?”

“Sorry Ped, I forgot to give you your first smiley of the day.

:)

Have a great morning and day!”

“Well of course clinton knew that Iraq had WMD's... It was the US that sold them to Iraq which used them against Iran and other targets.

:}”

“If Clinton was right about all this, we should have amended the Constitution and given him a third term, LMAO”

“Nigal - During the round of inspections during the lead up to war, Saddam wasn't denying access. The UN said Saddam was complying - not like before. Obviously it was the threat of the US invasion that forced him to comply.

The Bush's said he wasn't complying because he didn't tell them where the WMDs were, but said he didn't have any.

And yeah, the US was monitoring. There were Americans in the inspection teams, but also there was sattelite and plane surveilance (you know the surveilance that Powell and others said gave us conclusive proof that the WMDs were there).

Here's where Bush defenders try to have it both ways - either the US really knew what was going on or they didn't. If the picture they gave during the build up was true - that they could find all that stuff out despite Saddams deception, it doesn't make sense that they were suddently totally snookered and clueless later on (unless they totally screwed up).
last edited: 4/25/07 1:31:42 PM”

“Hey Nigal. I regret failing to return your kind gesture.

};->”

“If all the labels read 'made in U.S.A.', maybe that is the japanese town of Usa.”

“WAHAHHAHA......

School gun brings $1M bond

A 17-year-old Swansboro High School student was in jail Friday on $1 million bond after being charged with having a weapon of mass destruction - an assault rifle - on the school's campus.

Christopher Sheppard, of Great Neck Landing Road in Hubert, also was charged with possession of a stolen firearm and possess/carry firearm by a minor, according to a release from the Onslow County Sheriff's Office.

Sheriff's detectives investigating break-ins at a residence on Stella Road uncovered evidence that an AR-15 semiautomatic Colt assault rifle stolen from a home in Carteret County was in a vehicle on the school's campus.

A deputy got Sheppard out of class Friday and took him to his car in the school parking lot, where a search revealed the assault rifle and four magazines loaded with a total of 120 rounds of .223 rifle ammunition, the release said.

Sheppard was arrested and taken to the Onslow County Jail.

http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070428/NEWS/704280389/1051/NEWS


Okay mousketeers....if the libbie press considered AK-47s a WMD...then I think the whole "no WMD's in Iraq thing" has been put to rest......”

“Not ,'libbie' again. Over and over and over. Try , for a week, to describe things without using the word 'libbie'. Speaking of 'libbie press', you PRESS the LIBBIE button any time you don't like something. Oh, and as you should know by now , I'm so far to the right of you I do have room to speak.”

“OOOH it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck......

Thanks Cliff I will take that as a concession.”