Time for a change politically

“I just watched the Chris Matthews / Condi inteview and have to say, more than ever, it is apparent to me that we could benefit tremendously from a non-politician as President.

Every answer she gave to his quetions was actually a REAL answer, vs. the evasive, non-committal BS we would get from ANY politician, right or left, when asked a question re their position on any given issue. It almost didn't matter what she said... the fact that she answered the questions was incredibly refreshing.”

“as great as that would be, that would never happen”

“Condi is the complete package. Smart. Articulate. Good people skills. And a double minority. How could the left NOT vote for her? The trick is who do they pick to run with her?”

“she had an oil tanker named after her. She is just as crooked as the rest of them.”

“chevron named an oil tanker after her for her "faithful and devoted service"

now that's what we need. she'd be a nice break from the current regime.”

“sacco, she is part of the current regime”

“She is the current regime.”

“Double minority???

So what???

How could I not vote for her???

She's a crooked as the rest of the regime.”

“i was being sarcastic.

i was implying that we'd just be continuing the current line of oil puppets w/ her.
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“Yeah but she is not the Bush admin. She is smarter than Bush and would do a better job.”

“Oh so just because she's the color of oil she's an oil puppet?”

“just what we need nigal, a smarter oil industry bich. (bich as in servant, not mean woman)

we'd all be in deep doo doo for sure then!”

“Yeah was a major proponent of going to war in Iraq. She is a war monger. Just what we need another war monger. What we need is a hippy president.”

“exactly that nigal. you see, if i were elected i'd be a krispy kreme puppet.

donuts for all!”

“You can lead a lib to water, but you can't make him drink.”

“Personally, I don't think her part in constructing our Iraq policy was very sound. But, that's my opinion. Her work as Sec'y of State has been very short-lived and hasn't produced any historic results. To support her for something like the presidency of the United States, at this point, would be premature, at the absolute best...”

“Far flipping out, Dude (puff)

The state of the union is, like, cool man (puff)

The bill to legalize weed (puff) has passed, man, and like I signed it - cool! (puff)(Man, this is like some good $hit!)

Okay, peace out! (puff puff)(choke)(giggle)

Wow man!”

“What ever is in the water down Stovie's way, I ain't touchin' with a ten foot cattle prod.”

“geo sounds like slick willy”

“So exactly HOW is she an oil bch? What is her connection to oil and how is this connection somehow unsavory? Did she do something illegal? If so, what? Or are we just talking hyperbole here?”

““You can lead a lib to water, but you can't make him drink.”
StoveStomper

Now that is the most profound statement by a right winger I've seen since bacpac said Bill Clinton getting a BJ was tragic.”

“nigal, ummm...

condoleezza rice was a chevron director from 1991 until 2001.

chevron then named an oil tanker after her for her faithful service.

i'm not saying that she did anything illegal, but do you actually think she's not an oil puppet like bush and cheney?

do you actually think that she wouldn't look out for oil interests more than the environment or well being of our nation?
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“There is at least the appearance of impropriety.

That's enough to queer the deal.”

““condoleezza rice was a chevron director from 1991 until 2001.

chevron then named an oil tanker after her for her faithful service.”

OK, so? I would glad to have someone who actually HAS experience in the energy field in the Whitehouse. The whole “oil puppet” shpeal is ridiculous. It’s like saying Clinton was a lawyer puppet and was always looking out for lawyer’s interests simply because he was a lawyer first.

“i'm not saying that she did anything illegal, but do you actually think she's not an oil puppet like bush and cheney?”

Who says Bush and Cheney are? Again, they have experience in the field of energy. Why is this bad?

“do you actually think that she wouldn't look out for oil interests more than the environment or well being of our nation?”

We can’t know this unless she would outline a plan for us to judge, now can we?”

“She outlined the "threat" from Iraq and that was a lie.

I would expect more of the same.”

“wanderer - The level of hatred toward anything 'Bush' makes any kind of rational unemotional reasoning from libs impossible.

It must be nice to live in such a simple Black and White world.
A closed mind is a terrible thing.”

“nigal, could you please answer the following Q's?

do bush and cheney have vested interest in oil companies?

does condi have vested interest in oil companies?

are environmentalists and oil companies often at odds?

whether right or wrong, which group (enviro's or oils) will bush/cheney/condi side with?

do you honestly think 99% of polititions give a flying phuck about-
you?
me?
the environment?
their own personal wealth?

do you honestly think bush/cheney/condi give a flying phuck about-
you?
me?
the environment?
their own personal wealth?”

“i pretty much operate under the follwing assumption-

99% of all polititions are crooked and are mainly concerned with increasing their own personal wealth.

i would rather the financial interests of a politition lie in other fields than those that contribute to making our planet uninhabitable to our species.

unless you think burning fossil fuels is good for you.”

“We are slaves to fossil fuel and that is being perpetuated by.................................





wait for it







the petroleum companies in their own self interest.

This is a democracy, dammit!!”

“Sacco-

Yes. Don’t know for sure do we? Yes. Depends. No. no. yes. Of course. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.”

“nigal, we don't know for sure that condi rice has vested interest in the oil industry?

ummm. could you explain to me how that is remotely possible when it's a simple fact that she was chevron's director for 10 years immediately prior to her appointment by bush?

nigal, you've also said that you are not a staunch conservative by any means.

could you please give examples of issues you do sit to the left on? at least righties like sarge and SS are not afraid to admit their ring wingerness.”

““ummm. could you explain to me how that is remotely possible when it's a simple fact that she was chevron's director for 10 years immediately prior to her appointment by bush?”

I don’t know what her investment portfolio looks like and neither do you. So why speculate?

“nigal, you've also said that you are not a staunch conservative by any means.”

Exactly.

“could you please give examples of issues you do sit to the left on?”

I’m pro choice. I’m pro gay marriage. I’m pro gun registration and restriction (not banning mind you). I’m balanced on environment.

“ at least righties like sarge and SS are not afraid to admit their ring wingerness.”

One issue does not a rightwinger make. Just because I’m not as left as you doesn’t mean I’m clear to the extreme right.”

“ring wingerness???
LOL

I'm not as right wing as most dim libs think, I just play one on TT. ;-)”

“
I don’t know what her [condi rice]investment portfolio looks like and neither do you. So why speculate?

OK, so? I would glad to have someone who actually HAS experience in the energy field in the Whitehouse.


I’m balanced on environment.


nigal, i'd like to see that scale that you used to decide how balanced you are on the environment.”

“the point is that you don't deny it SS. that's sort of a compliment.
sort of...”

“Run condi against hillary, that would be fun to watch...”

“sacco, compaired with most TT libs, I am certainly to the right.”

“that would be a waste of time for the american public”

“Mud wrestling!!

Condi and Hillie, that is.
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“that is true SS. now myself, i believe i'm much closer to the center than nigal, yet i admit i'm a lefty.”

“Yea, sacco, but you aren't a 'dim' lefty. You think when you aren't being a smarta$$. ;-)”

“awwww. you're sweet on me ain't ya”

“The faith in the Bush Regime is truely cult-like.”

““nigal, i'd like to see that scale that you used to decide how balanced you are on the environment.”

When I see how the environmentalist project their agenda in such extremes as they do I am quite in the middle. There has to be balance between using natural resources and conserving them. The big groups like Sierra Club are like the NRA; there’s no room for balance.”

“if people want to believe bush's international policies (screw the UN and the rest of the world) are good then i diagree but atleast i can understand their point.

the same with his social policies.

i'm pretty conservative fiscally so no problems there (down with soc. sec.!)

but if you believe for a second that the current admin. is environmentally balanced in any way than you're off your friggin rocker.

the sierra club and some other hardcore groups might be full of wackos but this admin is considered the worst environmentally in the history of our country by so many groups it is ridiculous.
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“OK wanderer - I didn't see the interview but it looks like Chris started out with a question about the 'Downing Street memos'.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/47823.htm

Condi replied that she can't remember if she met with David Manning as detailed in the memos.

This you find candid and refreshing?

Oy!
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“"but if you believe for a second that the current admin. is environmentally balanced in any way than you're off your friggin rocker."

Well when you're starting off clear out in left field then they would seem unbalanced. If you listen to the alarmists then they would seem unbalanced. The environment just isn't a top shelf issue for me. Sorry, but it's not.”

“The environment just isn't a top shelf issue for me. Sorry, but it's not.”
Nigal
3:09:02 PM


thank you.
i'm dead serious for once, i'm not busting your balls.

i can respect someone who feels that right now foreign affairs or other areas are more important to them.
but to say that bush's regime is balanced environmentally is to completely discredit yourself.”

“bush's regime is balanced environmentally































Like Fox News.”