Pharmacist Refusing To Fill Birth Contro l Scripts

“You're obsessed sarge, off on a witch hunt again.
Forcing a soldier to go to war and shoot people is ok, but forcing a pharmacist to dispense legal drugs is not.
To be honest I think a soldier, once he signs up, should be forced to go to war if ordered by the President - just as a pharmacist should be forced to dispense whatever drugs are proscribed by a doctor.”

“BIRTH CONTROL PILLS!


Dear lord, you're insane, Sarge.”

“LOL - Amazing y2!! Simply amazing!!

You think a private citizen should be forced to sell something he doesn't want to sell!

OMG!

This country has gone to hell everybody!

Straight to hell!”

“Phaedrus - I believe the Bible is healing.

Mind if we force pharmacists to dispense Bibles to sick people?”

“yes, or they should change jobs if they're not doing it as they should be.”

“Sarge, do you mind if people make the decision themselves and don't need nanny bible-thumping pharmacist scumbags nmaking the choice for them?”

“if that becomes law sarge, then yes they should, or they should quit.

there's far more danger of this country becoming a religious dictatorship than a socialist state.”

“Forget get the Pharmicist, how a bout a cashier that wont ring up the sale of meat, tobbaco, beer or condums”

“if a pharmacist has a problem filling the prescriptions that a Dr has written he/she needs to change jobs. They went to school to do this job. They knew they were going to have to dispurse BC pills and other forms of BC items.

as far as comparing this to a solider that is like comparing apples to oranges. Totally different.”

“Biblenazi drug monkeys.”

“maybe the pharmacist should put up a huge sign outside of the store saying he doesn't fill BC pills because of religious beliefs. I am sure the drug store he works at would like that. Sure way to drive customers off.”

“Birth control (pills) is not murder. The pills keep a woman from ovulating. Fertilization can not take place. Therefor - no birth.

Again Sarge, your a Fascist. Defending an issue on a with a religious stance.”

“Phaedrus - nobody is making them shop there. Go somewhere else!

y2 - But your proposal is socialist. That's the point.

nimrod - then the grocery store will likely fire them.

Ewker - They only have to fill them if they are forced. This is different from a soldier because he took an oath to follow orders, even if it involves killing people. There is no oath for pharmacists that they have to prescribe medications they deem inappropriate. If I'm wrong, please copy that oath here. Thanks.”

“LOL - maybe the pharmacist should put up a huge sign outside of the store saying he doesn't fill BC pills because of religious beliefs. I am sure the drug store he works at would like that. Sure way to drive customers off.

Yeah, if he walked around in a dunce cap they'd drive off customers too, but they didn't do that! That is from your imagination. This is the kind of argument you give? A fictitious, "he's crazy if he did this" argument? LOL”

“goat - You just convinced me even more that it's birth control ...

Birth control (pills) is not murder. The pills keep a woman from ovulating. Fertilization can not take place. Therefor - no birth.

How could you type "Therefor - no birth." without saying "Aw, #&%!$! in your head?"”

“what is wrong with letting customers know up fron you aren't going to fill their BC pills. It saves the pharmacist and the customer from an awkward situtation. It lets the customer know notto stop there because it is a waste of time.

You can have a sign: No shirts,no shoes no service and no BC pills filled here.”

“Sarge - you show little to no understanding of what socialism is.”

“Christ died for your sins, Sarge. Glad to see you're not wasting the sacrifice.”

“Ewker - I totally agree. Nothing wrong with that.

Some customers can decide to give their business elsewhere, where others will shop there on purpose. Everybody wins.”

“y2 - Please explain to me what I'm missing. I'm dying to hear this.

Let me start you off.

This is the first sentence from wikipedia defining "socialism":

Socialism is an ideology with the core belief that a society should exist in which popular collectives control the means of power, and therefore the means of production.

LOL - y2 - You keep making my point! LOL
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“What ever happened to taking your business somewhere else? I refuse to shop anywhere I feel I'm not a valuable customer.
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“Asking someone to do their job has nothing whatsoever to do with socialism. I'm sorry but anyone who thinks so, at the very least, destroys any shred of credibility they have.”

“You really need to spend some self-reflection time thinking about why you think the government should control our lives like you do.

I remember the good-ole days in the 60's when the libbies would protest against "Big Brother".

You wanna-be's are an embarrasment to the tie-die generation.”

“y2 - His job is defined by his employer. Not by you, and not by the government.
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“I agree with Sarge on the stance that the government shouldn’t pass a law forcing a Pharmacist to sell drugs that are prescribed by a doctor. Let the drug company take care of that person. In most cases that person would be fired. If a law were passed, what would happen if a doctor unknowingly prescribed a medication that would react with another medication that the patient was on and the pharmacist caught this? This would put the pharmacist in the position of either filling the medication and potentially killing the patient or not filling it and facing a fine or jail time.”

“Oath of a Pharmacist

At this time, I vow to devote my professional life to the service of all humankind through the profession of pharmacy.

I will consider the welfare of humanity and relief of human suffering my primary concerns.

I will apply my knowledge, experience, and skills to the best of my ability to assure optimal drug therapy outcomes for the patients I serve.

I will keep abreast of developments and maintain professional competency in my profession of pharmacy.

I will maintain the highest principles of moral, ethical, and legal conduct.

I will embrace and advocate change in the profession of pharmacy that improves patient care.

I take these vows voluntarily with the full realization of the responsibility with which I am entrusted by the public.

Developed by the American Pharmaceutical Association Academy of Students of Pharmacy/American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy Council of Deans (APhA-ASP/AACP-COD) Task Force on Professionalism; June 26, 1994”

“Thanks Ewker. Proves my point.

Taking apologies now ...
(not directed to you Ewker)
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“Sarge, there's little to no point in explaining anything to you or even talking to you. You show no capability to be flexible in your thoughts on any issue. There's no point in debating anything with someone so narrow minded.
I'll conceed there are some personal choice issues here, but I put the choice of the person taking the drugs above those paid to dispense the medications. LZ - there's a huge difference between a genuine medical reason for not dispensing a drug - they can communicate with the doctor for a start - and forcing their opinions on others.”

“y2 - Are you arguing that the patient cannot go elsewhere?

dude - get real!”

“We are all socialists on this bus!!!!!”

“I’ve heard of many pharmacists who would not prescribe several FDA approved drugs because of their side effects. BC is certainly not considered a proponent to good health. In fact there are a significant number of women who either cannot take BC at all or can take it only for a very short season of their life.”

“I believe that doctors should have the right to refuse birth control to minors unless the parents agree. For those of us over 18, I believe the doctor should provide a perscription for birth control unless for medical reasons. A Pharmacist is just an educated Walmart worker. He should only question the accuracy of the script and drug interactions to protect the patient. In which case he should contact the doctor to verify the script. A Pharmacist has no right to not fill a script for personal reasons. If he feels that way he should seek another job. That is the American way.”

“That's what doctors are for TH. If there are medical issues involved then they should talk to the proscribing doctor and a decision made in consultation.
This is all about certain groups trying to force their own agenda on others.”

“Sarge... I am deeply sorry that I didn't make the connection earlier.

I supose it is OK for those with religious beliefs to keep from doing thier job. In the case of the "Birth Control Pills" those from the religious right are looking down the long road. We must band together and stop this evil birth control movement. Lets argue that it is murder! muhahahaha...

....18 years after The Great Drug Battle
(just a small skirmish in the over all battle against terrorism)...

President Barbara Bush entertains a group of fresh War Heros at the Whitehouse. Confirms that The War Against Terrorism is going well. Our plan for a total world democracy is still on track. The help of all the volunteer orphans is greatly appreciated.

Geez...
How are we going to win a war without people on the ground?
How can we keep this economy going?
How are we ever going to live on our socialist retirement system if we don't have children to pay into it?
Everyone put away your trojans!
Boycott those stores which do sell birth control!
IT'S KILLING US! <~~~~ and that is murder.”

“LZ - there's a huge difference between a genuine medical reason for not dispensing a drug - they can communicate with the doctor for a start - and forcing their opinions on others.”
y2
2:20:13 PM
6/22/05
ignore this user

I agree. This Pharmacist probably picked the wrong profession to go into and probably will not have his job very long. I think this is a case where the private sector will take care of this on its own without the government needing to step in. Maybe not immediately as it appears the employer has sided with the pharmacist, but with the media attention they are likely to loose business. How long do you think they will stand behind this pharmacist if they start loosing money over it?”

“goat - No real thoughts on your part?

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~pazzani/4H/Nubians.au”

“When I lived in Newport News, Virginia I noticed that some of the drug stores didn't sell rubbers.

That area is a bit religion-happy compaired to other places I've lived.”

“I guess you guys believe any gynecologist that refuses to perform abortions is also not doing their jobs along with many other medical procedures various specialist refuse to be associated with as a result of their beliefs. BTW I do not think BC is wrong, however; again what's wrong with taking your business somewhere else; its their loss. If someone can prove that a pharmacist is responsible for degrading their health by not filling a prescription then let the lawsuit fly.
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“y2 - I think this is the first time I've come away from a conversation where the other side convinced me even more that I'm right. Are you a conservative in hiding? LOL”

“You're right, Sarge. The country is going straight to hell! And it's people like you that are doing it. I can depend on one thing. Whenever there is a conservative issue to shove down someone's throat, you're there like a super-hero. You need a sidekick, though. If Walgreen's is supporting a pharmacist's "right" to refuse to do his job, then that's their bad business. I choose not to shop there and instead, give my business to people that don't try to nail their alleged morality to the soles of my feet.

Want to call me a whack-o again? Go ahead! typical!!!!



Now, try and answer for those that don't have the backing of the company they work for. Should they continue to work there?

And should I not file the pleadings in the case I asked you about an hour and a half ago? Or haven't you been able to come up with another dodge for that yet?”

“sarge, there is one thing the oath did not take into consideration and that was religious beliefs.

Does religious beliefs fall under ethical or moral conduct?

Every person will have their own opinion about whether it does or not.”

“If Walgreen's is supporting a pharmacist's "right" to refuse to do his job, then that's their bad business. I choose not to shop there and instead, give my business to people that don't try to nail their alleged morality to the soles of my feet.

Now you're getting it!

Now, try and answer for those that don't have the backing of the company they work for. Should they continue to work there?

That's up to them. They should get fired though if they don't follow the company policy.

And should I not file the pleadings in the case I asked you about an hour and a half ago? Or haven't you been able to come up with another dodge for that yet?

I did answer. I answered it again in this question. You should either do what your company says or quit or get fired.”

“Ya.. I've got some real thoughts.

I've always tried to do what my employer asked me to do. When hired for any job, I am told what is expected of me. Weather is was flipping burgers or being a sherpa. I did the job as expected. When I didn't like what I was doing, I'd go somewhere else, eh.

Seems to me that the pharmacists would have known by now that being a pharmacist would mean that you would dispense drugs of all sorts. If you are hired to dispense drugs, do your job. Enough of that "It's against my religion" crap. Do your job or quit.

It also seems that the corperations are allowing thier employees to act in this manor. If that is the way it is going to be, I supose we'll have to vote with our wallets.

Where will it end? When will the next train engineer take control only to find himself driving the train at midnight Saturday? "Sorry about the runaway train crash boss, I thought you noticed that I was wearing a cross around my neck at the interview. You should have known I don't work on Sunday."

Ladies on birth control will now be considered second class citizens because they don't go to the Christian drug store.

*** the previous message contained real thoughts***
***sometimes quite odd, but all real****”

“I was not aware that a pharmacist had the option to not dispense a legal prescription for a legal drug that posed no health risk to a customer simply because they didn't like the treatment or more to the point here, a customer's lifestyle.

Huh, learn something new everyday.

I wonder what else that pharmacist refuses to dispense?

It doesn't seem like too big a jump to expect that person to refuse to dispense drugs treating STDs, AIDs, and a host of other ailments.

I'm not in favor of mandating that individuals must act in violation of their moral code but at some point there is a line that the employer and market will not allow an employee to cross.

While in print I and companies I have worked for refused work that I/they thought was offensive. Should we have? Did we have a right to? I think we did, but by refusing to print a job we certainly didn't affect anyones health or quality of life.”

“I got that all along, Sarge. But, the context from the beginning of the thread seemed to change a bit as it went on. I think that's where we got off track.

of course, if the biz wants to subscribe to this bible-thumping nonsense, then let them. not on my buck, though. I will now go out of my way to not shop a Walgreen's again. And, from a personal point of view, I have zero respect for the pharmacist that imposes his personal feelings ahead of the people he was hired to serve.
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“You got it Tree!!

I don't konw where there are any Walgreens, but if I see one I will not shop there.

Dirty, rotten, bible-thumpin' Taliban!!!”

“And here I thought the christains were the intollerant ones! LOL!”

“Ladies on birth control will now be considered second class citizens because they don't go to the Christian drug store.

the goat

I would almost bet that in the U.S. there are more Christians on BC than non Christians. So I don't see how a Christian tag can be put on this pharmacist's beliefs. It's his own personal conviction. The same conviction some doctors have for not giving a blood transfusion or a vegan dietitian advising against someone eating meat products. Why is this an issue?
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“Nigal is saying that intolerance of intolerance is intolerance???

“And here I thought the christains were the intollerant ones! LOL!”
Nigal
2:47:35 PM
6/22/05

You got that right, pal!!!
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“It also seems that the corperations are allowing thier employees to act in this manor. If that is the way it is going to be, I supose we'll have to vote with our wallets.

Now you're getting it goat!”