Pharmacist Refusing To Fill Birth Contro l Scripts

“Cool. That answers that mystery.

On to another ... Hmmmmm ...

or bed!?”

“bed soon. have to be up at 6a”

“woooo, now Sarge & CB love each other alla sudden! hope you guys are on birth control!
:-D”

“oh go play with your monkeys”

“lawyers obviously cant represent every single person who asks them, because they would have conflicts of interest popping up. also, a lawyers job is much more complicated than a pharmacists because he could be involved with you for weeks, months, years to come. 5 minutes and a pharmacist is out of your life.”

“cb - A lawyer takes an oath to represent people fairly. They often don't take cases because there isn't enough money in it for them. Isn't greed a morally bankrupt characteristic to have?

Here is the last line from Louisiana's oath.

"I will never reject, from any consideration personal to myself, the cause of the defenseless or oppressed, or delay any person's cause for lucre or malice."”

“if it's against your religion or beliefs, get another job. it's that easy.”

“LOL - You guys keep saying it's his job, but it isn't.

It's a lawyers "job" to represent people, that doesn't mean he represents everybody who comes in the door.”

“You may be right to the point where, technically, it's not his job; that he can refuse to fill the prescription (if, and only if he is permitted to do so by his employer, which is not the case in other recent reports). However, there are underlying implications here. What kind of precedent is this setting in this country? I don't see this as healthy. It promotes divisiveness within the citizenry. You know, as well as I do, that this is part of the in-your-face movement perpetuated by religious zealots to shove THEIR morality down the throats of the "non-believers" (even though I know you will never admit that). Why has this surfaced only recently? Could it be because this is now condoned by enough conservatives, now that the power shift has strengthened them? Just some thoughts. You are now free to smite me!”

“I must clarify my statements. If the guy is hired by a company that DOES dispense BC pills then he is required to do so or find some place that believes what he believes. If he owns the store then he can do whatever he wants.”

“Tree - You are being completely intollerant.

Let me pose it to you this way.

Suppose for sake of discussion that this man believe that birth control, whether or not he's right, is a form of murder.

Suppose also that his employer supports him on his decision not to dispense those meds.

Isn't it YOU that is trying to shove YOUR morality down the throats of believers?

From his perspective, you are telling him to assist in murder.

Your only possible answer to that is, "it's not murder", which is YOUR opinion, not his. So who is doing the shoving of morality here? or in this case, immorality?

This pharmacist is not pushing ANYTHING on this lady. Quite the opposite. She is free to go elsewhere for her prescription.”

“Nigal - Agreed. I've said that, but I think Treebeard overlooked that point.”

“Sarge, read the post again. Geez, man!

I said you are technically correct. I am spouting my own views as to the underlying implications if this. GYST, dude and read!

This is the way I feel. Sorry if it goes against your crusade!

The only thing you read, obviously, is when I said to smite me!”

“Tree's a little teapot watch him spout...

:)”

“Sarge, should this guy not sell condoms either? According to your puritanical diatribes, that would constitute murder, too.”

“True tree.”

“Mmmmm... Teenage girls on birth control.


This thread is hot.”

“Tree - a couple points.

1. If he doesn't want to sell condoms, and as the pharmacist he can even make that decision at the Walgreens, he has that right.

2. Whether or not it would constitute murder is irrelevant in the sense that this man has a right to sell, or not sell, whatever he pleases. If he wants to sell cupcakes and not sell jet fuel, that's his choice. It's called "freedom".

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=freedom

3. Actually, my puritanical diatribes do not insinuate that condoms would constitute murder. You are obviously more comfortable at telling me my beliefs than arguing the issue.

4. You're just being rude. typical”

“Sorry if it goes against your crusade!

My "crusade" of freedom! LOL

You make me laugh. (and cry for this country)”

“So, by exercising my own FREEDOM of speech and disputing your points, I'm being rude? If I wanted to be rude, I wouldn't hold back on you, believe me. Why is it that you can lay into someone without a lick of tact, but can't take critisism without the condescending retort? Take a look in the mirror before you cast stones. You can't take it, fine? Conversation over!”

“Hey Sarge, I can see why your kind is against birth control.”

“Narcissism with a touch of paranoia, Tree.

Likes to dish it out..........”

“Treebeard - You can have free speech and be rude at the same time.

Did you not know that?

Wow!”

“Treebeard (and Phaedrus):

One more point.

You guys have argued this as if it's some kind of religious crusade, and I've let you do it without correcting you.

I do not believe it's murder. The only thing I said it was was "birth control".

My wife takes the pill.

I have no religious convictions against the pill, or the condom.

My convictions are for freedom.

You guys crack me up!

You are so biased, and so into stereotyping Christians, and so into socialism, you just assume what other people are thinking.

LOL

Busted!”

“typical”

“You're going to hell, Sarge.”

“You didn't bust anything, Sarge. Don't give yourself so much credit! Want to laugh at me like a little bully, go ahead. You wouldn't know humility if it hit you in the face!”

“sarge, the pharmacist has no control over condoms since no prescription is required. that would be up to the store, unless he owned the store
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““Since when is birth control killing people?”
Treebeard
1:25:34 PM
6/22/05

“We're sickos? You're trying to tell me a sperm is a baby, more or less. Have a great lunch. I'm going out

Holy sh_tballs, Batman!

I'm a sicko...



whooohoo hahahahahahahaha

Youseh mama!!!
last edited: 6/22/05 1:29:40 PM”
Treebeard
1:29:15 PM
6/22/05

I find it disturbing that religious zealots are emboldened enough these days to shove this sh_t down people's throats. That's what bothers me.
Treebeard
4:09:00 PM
6/22/05

I don't see this as healthy. It promotes divisiveness within the citizenry. You know, as well as I do, that this is part of the in-your-face movement perpetuated by religious zealots to shove THEIR morality down the throats of the "non-believers" (even though I know you will never admit that).
Treebeard
9:04:18 AM
6/23/05

This is the way I feel. Sorry if it goes against your crusade!


Treebeard
9:13:22 AM
6/23/05

“Sarge, should this guy not sell condoms either? According to your puritanical diatribes, that would constitute murder, too.”
Treebeard
9:15:37 AM
6/23/05

You didn't bust anything, Sarge. Don't give yourself so much credit!
Treebeard
9:45:20 AM
6/23/05”

“Ewker - I realize that. That's why I qualified the statement. Thanks.”

“Y'all are so into socialism??

That's the magic word.

All somebody's gotta do to discredit everything you've ever said or done is call you a socialist.

Don't like my shoes?

"Socialist"

I'm sooooo busted!!”

“And your point is what?

Now, I'm being singled out for calling a spade a spade?
last edited: 6/23/05 8:54:29 AM”

“One more time just for you mArKo ...

From wikipedia (1st sentence):

Socialism is an ideology with the core belief that a society should exist in which popular collectives control the means of power, and therefore the means of production. ”

“The Christian Taliban is on the march.”

“By that definition:

Socialism is an ideology with the core belief that a society should exist in which popular collectives control the means of power, and therefore the means of production. ”

if enough pharmacies were to adopt the philosophy that Walgreens has, you would face the same problem, no?
last edited: 6/23/05 8:56:16 AM”

“sarge, this is what you said "1. If he doesn't want to sell condoms, and as the pharmacist he can even make that decision at the Walgreens, he has that right"

I am reading that as you saying he has the right to make that decision (not to sell condoms) even when he is working for Walgreens.

Did I miss something?”

“I've seen that, Sarge.

It only applies in you mind.

You are stating what you think my beliefs are and you are at least as far off, far out and all wet as Nigal.”

“Treebeard - Walgreens isn't the "popular collective". It's one company.”

“I repeat, if enough of them were to find common ground, and adopt the same philosophy...


them=pharmacies
last edited: 6/23/05 8:59:24 AM”

“Ewker - You did. You missed the "if" at the beginning of that sentence. I only said that because Tree asked me about that hypothetical scenario. Your beef is with Tree, not me.”

“"You are stating what you think my beliefs are and you are at least as far off, far out and all wet as Nigal.”

Here I go and give ya a great Bush joke and ya can’t even see the difference between me and Sarge? Just as for off as me? Good sir you have insulted my honor. If you continue on this track I shall be forced to speak harshly at you and use stern words.”

“Tree - No. Companies are not the popular collective. The popular collective is the people within the society.

Maybe you should read the 2nd, 3rd, etc ... sentences in this definition so you can better understand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism”

“MarkO - I'm assuming you are assuming nobody takes you seriously.”

“So, it would not be socialism if the people within the company hid behind the company and, effectively, produced the same result? Interesting, to say the least...


...not very comforting, though!”

“"Socialist" has just become another cheap insult with no substance.

You'll go a lot further calling someone a "sheep-buggerer".”

“That's true, Mark-O. The tossing around of terminology (and the extreme left is as guilty of this as anyone) has become meaningless. The liberal label has been misapplied so often, it's downright trite. Same thing with with the left's terms of endearment...”

“Why are you guys bothering to argue with a sinning abomination in the eyes of God?”

“I'm a masochist!”

“I find it hard to believe that you guys are serious.

You don't understand the difference between socialism and capitalism?

Come on guys.”