L'affaire de Plame - Another take

“Thats not the one I wanted to pull up, there is a story about how the Right is twisting the information on Wilson to make their case. I'll see if I can find it again.”

“Interesting story Geo. Of course, if Rove and company had a great case and were behaving in legit fashion, why all the hiding for so long?
Also there is a difference between Plame mentioning her husbands availability and suitability, vs. her sending him. Also, did he know that she had recommended him?”

“The White House spin meisters are amusing on this. First, it's ridiculuous to think Rove had anything to do with this, now it was totally justified.

It's like the murder defendant who says, "I was no where near the murder" then when its shown he did it says, "it was self defense."”

“Hitchens is full of #&%!$ on at least one point. He says "You must knowingly wish to expose the cover of a CIA officer who you understand may be harmed as a result."

He made that up.

Here is the law: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00000421----000-.html
last edited: 7/21/05 10:55:06 AM”

“I still find it interesting that Bubya, how in the past has proven zealous in ferreting out the sources of leaks, has done absolutely nothing in this case. If the leak had been harmful to the administration, what would have been the case?

I suspect neither side has been totally open and honest about what took place.”

“"In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in 12 years, we'll be voting for plants."

-Lewis Black”

“LOL! That's great!”

“Lewis Black is the modern day Plato.”

“Hmmm, I have a pretty neat cyclamen ...

I have suggested to many people that in the days of smoke-filled rooms, the party bigwigs nominated people who were presidential and who would draw votes. That practice seems to have become lost in the age of primaries, where idealogues vote for idealogues and nobody considers what will happen when these people take office.

So, as Pogo once said, we have met the enemy and he is us.”

“I want to usher in an era of personal responsibility, and that begins in the Oval Office. As President, I will restore honor and dignity to the White House, and set a new tone of respect and bipartisanship in Washington. It's time to put the days of scandal and partisan bickering behind us and work for the American people. It's time for a change.”

“Hmmmm, where did I hear that before??????”

“Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!: http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/11/la-times-web-site-today.html”

“Dang, two good ones!

Scooter ... oh Scooter

Scooter!”

“I love the 'concept' that he was out on his own doing this and that this didn't have the approval of his boss and his boss's boss.”

“I didn't realize that they had already held the trial.”

“Since went has that little detail mattered to Libbies, noprob?”

“Since went has that little detail mattered to Libbies, noprob?”
StoveStomper
11:33:35 AM
11/04/05


Since when has that mattered to the Republicans/the Bush regime? See Bush policy on holding/jailing people without charges/trials/access to legal counsel.
last edited: 11/05/05 5:03:33 PM”

“Scooter Libbie?

LMAO”

“oops.

All Better, now.”

“Hey Stovie, Noprob, is this any worse than the way the Repubs treated Clinton?

Come on try to be as fair as you think you are.”

“So Stovie, NoProb... what should happen to 'Libby' if he's found guilty?”

“Torture should be used to find out who outed the CIA agent. Torture Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney especially.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/06/congress.detainees.ap/index.html”

“Dick Cheney, hmmmmmm???

He's reminding me a a guy from my neighborhood.......former governor of Maryland.................

Maybe Scooter can teach the other jail birds the Boot Scoot Boogie........
Or at least give that phrase a hole new meaning.”

“Dick Cheney, hmmmmmm???

He's reminding me a a guy from my neighborhood.......former governor of Maryland.................

Maybe Scooter can teach the other jail birds the Boot Scoot Boogie........
Or at least give that phrase a hole new meaning.”

“The Late Great Spiro T.?

-=VBG=-



That crook's bust* is still in Statuary Hall, isn't it?


*_{- no pun intended... LMAO}”

“VBG ???

Statuary Hall in the Capitol???

Well, there are Confederates there too.
(There is a nine-foot statue of 5'2" Joe Wheeler.)
last edited: 11/06/05 4:52:59 PM”

“Ahh, Joe Wheeler. Called to active duty for the Spanish American war and given a star, he was quoted saying in Cuba, "Come on boys, we got the damn Yankees on the run!"”

“We'uns down heyah in Alabammmy have a State Park named fer the Gen'ral....”

“There were many Confederate veterans who were upset when Joe was buried wearing a blue uniform.”

“Goeorge W. Bush and OJ Simpson: both on missions to find the "real" perpetrator. Someday Dubya is going to find the person in the White House who outed Plame. Right after he finds the WMD in Iraq.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/16/woodward.leak/index.html”

“Withdraw the Libby indictment
TODAY'S EDITORIAL
November 17, 2005


Bob Woodward's just-released statement, suggesting that on June 27, 2003, he may have been the reporter who told Scooter Libby about Joseph Wilson's wife, blew a gigantic hole in Patrick Fitzgerald's recently unveiled indictment of the vice president's former chief of staff.
While that indictment did not charge Mr. Libby with outing a CIA covert operative, it alleged that he lied to investigators and the grand jury. As we have stated earlier on this page -- and unlike many conservative voices then -- we believe perjury is always a serious offense (even in a political setting). And if sufficient evidence exists to support a conviction, then Mr. Fitzgerald's indictment of Mr. Libby was fully warranted.
However, the heart of his perjury theory was predicated upon the proposition that Mr. Libby learned of Valerie Plame's identity from other government officials and not from NBC's Tim Russert, as claimed by Mr. Libby. Indeed, Mr. Fitzgerald seemed to have a reasonable case because Mr. Russert, a respected and admired journalist, with no vested interest of his own, denied that he discussed the Mr. Wilson's matter with Mr. Libby.
However, given Mr. Woodward's account, which came to light after the Libby indictment was announced, that he met with Mr. Libby in his office -- armed with the list of questions, which explicitly referenced "yellowcake" and "Joe Wilson's wife" and may have shared this information during the interview -- it is entirely possible that Mr. Libby may have indeed heard about Mrs. Plame's employment from a reporter. Given the fact that the conversations in issue -- the one with Tim Russert and the one with Bob Woodward -- were separated by less than two weeks, and that officials like Mr. Libby juggle literally hundreds of matters on a daily basis, it is entirely plausible that he confused the two reporters. There certainly was no possible reason for him to mislead Mr. Fitzgerald on this issue, since the point he was trying to make, originally to the FBI investigators in October 2003, and later on to the grand jury, that Valerie Plame's identity was known to a reporter who imparted it to him was equally compelling, no matter what the identity of that reporter.
In light of these facts, it is at least doubtful whether a reasonable jury would find Mr. Libby guilty. Moreover, as argued by Washington lawyers David Rivkin and Lee Casey in an article appearing on today's op-ed page, under the U.S. Attorney's Manual provisions, no prosecution should be commenced unless the attorney representing the government believes that he has evidence that will probably be sufficient to obtain a conviction. Accordingly, Mr. Fitzgerald should do the right thing and promptly dismiss the indictment of Scooter Libby.


http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20051116-100221-5614r.htm”

“LOLOLOLOLOL!”

“I wonder what this means?


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said in court filings that the ongoing CIA leak investigation will involve proceedings before a new grand jury, a possible sign he could seek new charges in the case.

In filings obtained by Reuters on Friday, Fitzgerald said "the investigation is continuing" and that "the investigation will involve proceedings before a different grand jury than the grand jury which returned the indictment" against Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby.


http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-18T170749Z_01_SCH860443_RTRUKOC_0_US-BUSH-LEAK.xml”

“Typical Dems.
If the first mudball doesn't stick, try yet another.
LOL”

“http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/20/cia.leak.reut/index.html

This is well deserved”

“I love the way the Left savages their own.
Hero yesterday, villain today.”

“They'll probably dig and find a time he contributed to the NRA in college or something and call him a moderate.”

“The guy who wrote... what... two? brown-nose Bush novels is a lefty?

I guess anyone to the left of Franco is a liberal to you guys.”

“Interesting... the only responses on the right are content free. The embarassment shows.”

“pedxing - I didn't even click on/read the article once I saw the source so yeah ... "no comment". If you want to attribute that to "embarassment", ... are you the psychologist on here or is that pitts? I get you two confused.”

“Woodward was never and is not today a liberal. That's funny boys. I have long suspected that Woodward was a plant. Not a house plant like you Sarge, but a mole plant. Not a mole like as in you're a "boring" guy Stovelimper.

Nixon became a detriment and so was sacrificed. Otherwise he would have uncovered more damaging info. on the workings of the CIA, FBI, etc. They gave him up through Deep Throat. Then he was conveniently pardoned.

It has been hypothesized for years that the CIA uses journalists to spread disinformation. Woodward fits that theory nicely. Judy Miller too.

Think about it. Having none other than the NY Times ( the liberal antichrist newspaper) come out and publish articles to support the fiction behind the Iraq War was a stroke of temporary genius.

Now Woodward springs this "surprise" and gums up the works of the investigation.”

“What a weak troll.
LOL”

“Ha! Must be related to the weekend troll that put all that childish stuff all over trailtalk.”

“I wonder why Rove's attorney (Luskin)was deposed last week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/08/AR2005120802136.html”

“Fishing......”