Why should I support President Bush?

“ens, you are being ridiculously simple.

you demand people give you reasons, claim your not basing your current thoughts on f911, and then give no reasons for your hate other than the sh it moorer spews in the movie.

you want to prove your an "american"? decry the lopsided hate monger moorer's destructive lies as loudly as you decry the actions of the president. moorer's bull#&%!$ is as destructive to the unison of this country as anything bush has done.

if you can't see that, i feel sorry for you.”

“I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small
Never thought about the problems of this planet at all
Global warming, radio-active sites
Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! no!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?
Why help with an ’am’ when there’s always a ’could’?
Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea
Outside of california, it’s foreign policy

I don’t want changes, I have no reactions
Your dilemmas are my distractions

That’s no way to go, franco un-american
No way to go, franco un-american
No way to go, franco un-american
No way to go, franco, franco un-american

I never looked around, never second-guessed
Then I read some howard zinn now I’m always depressed
And now I can’t sleep from years of apathy
All because I read a little noam chomsky

I’m eating vegetation, ’cause of fast food nation
I’m wearing a couple of shoes ’cause of globalization
I’m watching michael moore expose the awful truth
I’m listening to public enemy and reagan youth

I see no world peace ’cause of zealous armed forces
I eat no breath-mints ’cause their from de-hoofed horses
Now I can’t believe; what an absolute failure
The president’s laughing ’cause we voted for nader

That’s no way to go, franco un-american
No way to go, franco un-american
No way to go, franco un-american
Where can we go, franco un-american

I want to move north and be a canadian
Or hang down low with the nice australians
I don’t want to be another ’i-don’t-care-ican’
What are we gonna do franco, franco un-american”

“Is that your view birch, or just a funny poem you wanted to share?”

“its a fitting song about getting politics and beliefs from movies and pop culture.”

“ENS, who says you have to support Bush in the first place? If you don’t agree with him then don’t support him. It’s not like we have to have every single person on board to get things done. He got elected without you and he’ll run the country without you. Obviousely he doesn't need your support. Is this what bothers you or is it that bitter taste of his winning the election still in your mouth?”

“ENS - I've seen this same thread before I even knew about TT.

Uh huh.”

“It's unamerican to support Bush.”

““You should support him because he is the President of the United States. And for no other reason. United We Stand Divide We Fall.”
waterdog
9:58:43 PM
7/27/05
ignore this user

I think TR verbally addressed this far better than I could.

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
" Theodore Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918”

“Mutt - What is "Uh huh." supposed to mean?

I used to frequent a political discussion forum from PA and this came up almost daily. Why would I make that up? What's your point?”

“In the spirit of lumberzac's post:


Bush is an idiot.”

“I wonder if all those calling for blind support of the President did the same during "Slick Willie's" administration.”

“Liberals confuse "blind support" with "not cheering on terrorists".”

“I did'nt like slick Willie, and I dont care much for George W. either now. When you have lemons, make lemonade !”

“same song different President. This will always happen.”

“His economic policy has lowered interest rates allowing more rich people than ever to own more houses than they need. Viva George W.”
USA
1:32:23 AM
7/28/05
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I thought Greenspan and the FED were the ones who lowered interest rates.”

“President Bush called. He said he does not want the support of petty sociopaths like ENS and USA.”

“Who builds those houses? Who sells the hardware? Who supports all that?

China? No. Middle and lower class Americans.

This is one of the biggest single boosters of lower-class incomes and job opportunities.”

“Only morons could possibly think that anyone not agreeing with everything a President does means that they support terrorists.”

“Only morons could possibly think that anyone not agreeing with everything a President does means that they support terrorists.

Only a moron would simplify an argument to that level of stupidity, and expect to be taken seriously.
last edited: 7/28/05 11:34:17 AM”

“"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
" Theodore Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918”
lumberzac
8:21:53 AM
7/28/05


excellent post lumberzac. It tells it correctly. You should be able to voice your opinions for or against the President without being considered unAmerican/moron/POS or anything else. Seems a few on here don't understand that and take it very personal.”

“bbw thanks for the personal attack - it speaks volumes of your character.”

“bbw thanks for the personal attack - it speaks volumes of your character

Bush is a person too. You're speaking behind his back. What about your character?”

“excellent post lumberzac. It tells it correctly. You should be able to voice your opinions for or against the President without being considered unAmerican/moron/POS or anything else. Seems a few on here don't understand that and take it very personal - Ewk

What libbies don't get is it's not the fact that you libbies criticize the President.

It's the complilation of the things and the ways that you find to criticize Bush, the administration, the soldiers, and America that we have a problem with.

Look at the big picture.”

“sarge, it works both ways. Reps criticized Pres. Clinton so they (probably you to) were doing what you just said the Dems were doing.”

“Um, "no". Did you read my post Ewker, and think about what I said, or just knee-jerk reply?

You completely missed what I said based on what you posted.”

“BTW, my post was directed as much towards those that criticize Bush as it is towards those that support him.”

“yeah I read your post. I still stand by with what I said.

It is the same now with Bush as it was when Clinton was Pres. and Reps ragged him and everything he did and that includes everything you mentioned that the Dems are doing now to Bush. Like I said earlier same song different Pres.”

“Well, you can say that all you want, but the Repubs did not act like the Dems are now.

The Repubs did not bash America like the Dems are.

Don't pretend like they did, because they didn't.

You know it. I know it. Everybody knows that.

Only some will admit it.”

“Here's the thing Ewker (and others).

When something doesn't go the way of conservatives in America, they become more patriotic.

When something doesn't go the way of liberals in America, they become less patriotic.

How many conservatives do you know who vowed to leave America if Clinton got reelected?

I hear conservatives say (when things aren't their way) that they're going to "take back America".

When liberals are having it tough, they say they're going to make a change. They call it "progress".

The liberals are unAmerican.

Face it.
last edited: 7/28/05 1:13:25 PM”

“Unbelieveable. Libs aren't bashing America, they are critical of Administration policy.
So let me see - they have both an irrational hatred of Bush and they attack the country?”

“sarge you have no clue what patriotism is. I think I am very patriotic! I love my country.”

“Not true Y2.

When liberals talk of America, they mean "the mountains and the streams".

That's not what America is Y2.

America is the foundation. The constitution. The republic. The entreprenueral capitalistic spirit.

You hate America.

You want it to be something it is not.

Socialist.

I will die preventing that sick dream of yours if I have to.”

“ENS - You love the constitution? You quote it frequently in your fight for democracy do you?

Or, maybe you were talking about the mountains and the trees?”

“sarge, You can take what you said and swap out conservatives and liberals in those sentences and it applies to when Clinton was Pres. Like I said it works both ways. Sorry you can't face it.”

“Not true Ewker.

Like I said, you can say it all you want, but it didn't happen.

You are focusing on the criticism of the President, but I said a lot more in my post than just that.

That's the point.

You guys don't see that.

You're blind to it.

Wake up.”

“Clinton lied and disgraced the oval office.

Bush lied and people died and Bush disgraced the entire country.

Wanderer, Bush is a beacon to world? How so? People hate Bush worldwide. I don't see people flying like bugs into the bush buglamp.”

“sarge, your glasses are fogging up ;)”

“Clinton lied and disgraced the oval office.

Bush lied and people died and Bush disgraced the entire country. - ENS

ENS - Clinton got busted for lying. He got his license to practice law revoked because of it. He eventually admitted it, because he got caught.

No such thing is true of Bush. He did not lie. You are wrong. Even the libs on here had to admit he didn't lie, that at worse he was given wrong information. You're hanging on to a Michael Moore dream that isn't reflective of reality.
last edited: 7/28/05 1:22:43 PM”

“He will get busted for lying. It will happen. He and his party just have enough power to keep it under raps. But the stage is set to change.

btw I will respond to Wanderer's post tonight”

“ENS - Here's the reality.

There is enough pure hatred coming from the left, that if there was any chance that they thought they could prove Bush lied to America, they'd have the lawsuit filed right now.

It would be on ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, and FOX every news broadcast, 7 days a week.

It ain't gonna happen.

Wanna bet?

Friendly bet (by the way, speaking of bets, anybody see Bearmagnet since the "Few good men" talk about our bet? Me neither.) that Bush will/will not get "busted for lying".

Loser has to apologize for their wrong convictions and vow never to speak ill of the other side again.”

“ENS, I don’t think one has to support a pres but to sit around with your fingers crossed hopin’, and wishin’, and prayin’ something bad happens to him is just immature. You answered my question from my first post; you’re just pissed Kerry lost the election and don’t know how to deal with it in a healthy way.


Grow up and get over it mate.”

“So let me get this stright Sarge - you're saying - Republicans are patriotic and love America, Democrats hate America and all it stands for, apart from it's Geography.

You realize how stupid you sound right?”

“Y2 - If I didn't have a logical reason for saying it, you'd be right.

But, everyone knows it's true for the reasons I outlined above.

You know it too.

Stop kidding yourself. You're not fooling anybody but yourself.”

“ENS, you don't have to agree with everything he says or does, I don't either. But he is our president, and to wish him ill is highly inappropriate, tremendously immature, and is hurts everyone.

Be positive. If you don't like the guy, then stop #&%!$ing, get off your ass & help the Dem's select a good candidate to run next time around. Get out & campaign, but campaign on the strengths of YOUR candidate, NOT the weaknesses of your opponent. That always comes across as negative & whiny, instead have your candidate tell us what s/he will do better / different that will benefit society.”

“what is childish about many of these posts is how people take one extreme example of a "liberal" or a "conservative" and apply it to a group as a whole. i guess such characterizations are convenient for simple, narrow minds.

most liberals are not like sean penn or michael moore, most conservatives are not like david duke.

most americans are both liberal and conservative in many ways, and that's the way i like it, i hope america never becomes all "liberal" or "conservative" (whatever those words mean anymore, doesn't matter, everyone has their own personal definitions). it are these mixtures of ideas and positions that make america so great.”

“ENS, you don't have to agree with everything he says or does, I don't either. But he is our president, and to wish him ill is highly inappropriate, tremendously immature, and is hurts everyone.

I agree wonderer. I hate much of Bush's domestic policies. Yet, Bush has many postive traits which benefit the future of the United States and the world. When I'm against a candidate (Kerry) I get off my a$$ and helped the Republican's elect Bush - even though I'm not a Republican.

That's what you gotta do. Use the system.

Stop acting like little schoolyard children.

The liberals, from Michael Moore to their Senators, act like immature children and it's not fooling anybody except them.”

“jmitch - Those terms are used because people know what they mean. To, every time, say something like "I'm just referring to the people who believe that we should pull out of Iraq", or "I'm only talking about the people who like capitalism" gets old, and is ridiculous.

Use some common sense jmitch. You're a lawyer, you must be smart enough to use a little reason in these discussions.”

“sarge,

i'll make sure to find some common sense and a little reason when you become humble and gracious.”

“people tend to use a dictionary to find the meaning of a word.

sarge tells me people know the meaning of liberal and conservative...i apologize for my utter stupidity.

"liberal", according to webster's dictionary, means to be tolerant, progressive, and supportive of reform.

might sarge be a liberal?

"conservative" means to be traditional, moderate, cautious.

might ENS and Violin be conservatives?

of course, webster's dictionary might have a liberal or conservative bias.”

“I haven't read the thread beyond the original question, but it's a good question.

I honestly watched Far 9/11 and not only did I think the conspiratorial assumptions ridiculous (you can make up anything with editorializing stuff from years of footage), but also on a purely technical level I thought the movie was poorly done. It was really bad, monotone narrating. Seriously, aside from content, I was surprised this was so widely acclaimed because it was so poorly done. I like Moore's in-your-face documentary style in his previous movies, especially Roger & Me. I can separate content from the technical aspects because I study videography and documentaries and hope to do some quality wilderness-related documentaries in the future. I just think Far 9/11 sucked in that regard.

As for Bush, I think he's a great President... not perfect, but very good. I like his stances on most issues (minus environmental issues). I like his morality, I like his economics, I like his passion and convictions and principles, I like the way he stumbles while he talks, I like the way he stands up for what I feel is right (which is obviously subjective), and I like the way he's willing to do things that might be temporarily unpopular if it's the right thing to do. I feel our country is in good hands with his leadership, I honestly do. But that's just me and hey, you asked!”