Pro-Life in Name Only

“No, I mean what specifically did I not understand of his point. Give me a specific thing I did not "catch".”

“i just explained it to you. i dont know how to make it any simpler”

“You don't know how to tell me which point he made that I didn't get? Wow! Sorry to hear that.

Anyways, what about the book thing?”

“I was a liberal freak whack-o all of my child-life

additionally, statements like these completely undermine your credibility if you want your arguments to be perceived as objective

youre the kind of guy if a lib says the sky is blue, youll say NO ITS MAUVE AND PINK!
last edited: 7/31/05 3:38:56 PM”

“Really Dr. Crash?

If you think ANYBODY'S arguments on here are perceived as objective, you've smoked too many fumes trying to fix the serpentine belt this weekend.”

“You don't know how to tell me which point he made that I didn't get

i know how to tell you. i just told you. i dont know how to make it any simpler.”

“sarge, you think abortion is murder...I don't think it is. I think it is a woman's choice whether she wants one or not. You, me or the Federal Gov't has no say in it. If she is wrong she will have to answer to it when she dies. There is only one who knows and he isn't here to say.

Stem cell research is not murder. There are stem cells available right now for research. Others will be available without abortions.”

“thats awfully relativist of you, sargey poo. i thought relativism was an anathema to a guy like you?
last edited: 7/31/05 3:41:30 PM”

“What you said was "right now".

That's not telling me a point he made, that's telling me a point in time. Which point, exactly, are you referring to? Why is this hard?

Anyways, I have to leave in 10 minutes. What about the book thing?”

“no on the book thing.”

“I understand his point perfectly.

It's just wrong.”
Sarge
3:33:03 PM
7/31/05

that is your opinion. are you so vain that no one is right but you!!!”

“the point we were just talking about! crikey!”

“Ewker - What are you now bringing abortion into this? You're all over the place.

You failed to answer a very simple question.

I asked you about having it funded privately.”

“sarge, i love how every discussion you and i have ends up being about semantic minutiae”

“Ewker - There are millions of people that believe what I believe.

Why should I have to pay for your scientific experiments on human tissue if I don't want to?

Why can't you pay for it yourself?

Are you so selfish that you would impose YOUR beliefs on me, when you're not even willing to practice them yourself? How much money do you donate to stem cell research Ewker?”

“That's because, crash, you have trouble understanding English.

Like, "no on the book thing."

There were two things you could have said "no" to. Which one? Both?

You didn't read it, or you don't want me to send you a copy, or both?”

“just out of curiosity, ewker, where do you draw the line at something being murder?”

“That's because, crash, you have trouble understanding English.

i love your dry sense of humor”

“Liberals allow killing anytime it is not for the purpose of justice.”

“4 minutes Crash ... What about the book thing?”

“there also millions of people who believe money should go to stem cell research. In your eyes they are wrong. In their eyes they are right.

see it is all about how sarge thinks. the rest of the world is wrong..yep your vain alright”

“you asked "what about the book thing?" before that you said "have you read it?" and "i can send you a copy"

i said no to "have you read it?" because that was a question. i would not have said no to the other, because it was not a question, merely a statement saying you could do something. you did not ask me if i wanted you to send it (altho the question may have been implied), so my "no" answer could obviously only be applied to the question "did i read the book"

there”

“Ewker - You said that I think that "only [I] am right". That's not true. I think that millions of people are right.

Regardless ... let me throw another wrench in the whatever before I leave.

EVEN if I did think that stem cell research was a good thing, I would not want it government supported.

You see Ewker, this isn't about murder for me, it's about how the government should work.

The government should not be in the medical business.

It should be driven by motivated citizens like yourself.

So, how much money have you donated to the cause?

That's what I thought.

cya later”

“Crash - Do you want me to send you a copy? I'll have to get your response later.

btw - People can say "no" to statements as well. "No" isn't always a response to a question. Also, in English, people often phrase questions as statements to be polite. For example:

"I can bake a cake if you'd like me to."

"No thank you, I'm full."

"Good night crash, I'm going to bed then."

"Good night mommy. I love you."

"I love you to crash. Don't forget to brush your teeth."

"Yes mommy. I know."”

“Liberals allow killing anytime it is not for the purpose of justice.”
Sarge

that is such an oversimplification. i hope youre joking.

theres a whole range, a sliding scale (as opposed to a slippery slope) where a persons feelings could fall

for example, i am liberal on many social issues, but abortion is not one of them. i believe that once youre far enough along in pregnancy to know youre pregnant, thats a human life inside you and terminating that life is wrong. now, if that life is 1-day old, 1-week old, i havent given it enough thought and research to have formed an opinion. i have no problem with contraceptives because i do not believe that life begins before conception, and if there is a such thing as a soul, it does not join the body befor conception”

“CB, that is big area to cover. If I shoot & kill someone breaking into my house I don't think it is murder. If he breaks in and kills me yes it is. If I run sarge over while he is standing on a corner, its murder...if he walks in front of my car and I hit him no it isn't.

I don't think early term abortion is murder. late term abortions I don't think should happen but it isn't considered murder that I know of.”

“well, i dont answer statements. if you want to know the answer, phrase it in the form of a question, just like "jeapordy"”

“ If I run sarge over while he is standing on a corner, its murder...

actually, it would be justified homicide

:-D”

“youre right, ewker, i should have phrased that better. on the abortion issue, where do you consider it murder?”

“The government should not be in the medical business.

It should be driven by motivated citizens like yourself.

So, how much money have you donated to the cause?

That's what I thought.

cya later”
Sarge
3:52:23 PM
7/31/05

sarge, the gov't shouldn't be in faith based church programs either. The people who go to church donate/give money to the church every week. They don't need tax dollars for their programs.

where my money to charity goes is really none of your business. I don't ask if you give money to the church cause that is your business.”

“I don't think early term abortion is murder. late term abortions I don't think should happen but it isn't considered murder that I know of.”
Ewker
3:59:15 PM
7/31/05”

“sarge, the gov't shouldn't be in faith based church programs either. - Ewker

I agree. That's why I told you I don't support that. So, why do you support allowing my tax dollars to go to the research? You keep trying to turn it on me as if I support the faith based church programs, but I don't. Again, why do you keep trying to justify your cause via another cause?”

“where my money to charity goes is really none of your business - Ewker

Exactly! That's how I feel! So why do you keep pushing the tax payer funded stem cell research?!?!?!

Think about that Ewker. You just made my point.”

“"If I run sarge over while he is standing on a corner, its murder..." - Ewker

With what? Your Yugo? I don't think so.”

“Treebeard, you're complicit in murder, again.”
Sarge
4:02:11 PM

That's your opinion. Just remember, opinions are like ass holes. Everybody's got one! :)”

“BTW, Sarge. I accuse you of murder, too! You've killed too much time on this forum!”

“Exactly! That's how I feel! So why do you keep pushing the tax payer funded stem cell research?!?!?!

Think about that Ewker. You just made my point.”
Sarge
6:31:55 PM
7/31/05


sarge, that didn't make your point. You took what I said and turned it around. That is normal for you to twist people's words to suit your needs.

The gov't has used taxpayer money for medicial research for a long time. Stem cell research isn't the first nor will it be the last.”

“If I run sarge over while he is standing on a corner, its murder..." - Ewker

With what? Your Yugo? I don't think so.”
Sarge
6:37:10 PM
7/31/05

you never know”

“sarge, that didn't make your point. You took what I said and turned it around. That is normal for you to twist people's words to suit your needs.

Actually, I copied you verbatim. Verbatim Ewker. I didn't change anything in that sentence at all. I used copy/paste. And you accuse me of twisting your words?? Oh boy! Here we go!

where my money to charity goes is really none of your business - Ewker

That's what you said. I agree with that completely. It's none of your business what charity my money goes to. So don't make me send it to your scientific research project. To me, it's more important that I send my money to fund Nasa, or a cure for breast cancer, or a way to stop animal research, or a book program for schools, or ... it's none of your business. Get it!?!?

Like I said, you just made my point.”

“again you lose site of the original question. You asked what charities I send money to. You implied I should give my money to the stem cell research fund if I thought so highly of it. They don't have one since it isn't a charity organization.”

“Um, wrong Ewker. And yes, you should give money to stem cell research if you're going to push to have me give to them against my will. If you're not willing to do so yourself, shame on you! Shame! Shame! Shame!

http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/Give/give.htm”

“And don't you dare take advantage of that tax rebate you research donator pusher!”

“Treebeard ya dirty murder! BTW because of the fact that you do not march and speak out against drugs I accuse you of being a drug dealer. Because you do not march and speak out against child molesters I accuse you of being a child molester. And so on and so forth. In short, you are the most despicable guy I have ever met. LOL!

I personally like to error on the side of liberty and free choice. Why the religious right has made homosexuality and abortion a part of their doctrine is beyond me. I keep seeing this morally retarded bumper sticker that says, “You can’t be catholic and pro choice”.”

“I keep seeing this morally retarded bumper sticker that says, “You can’t be catholic and pro choice”.

Uh ... Catholics are pro-life by definition.

Interestingly enough, what would literally be "morally retarded" is if they degraded the importance of the moral system to which they subscribe.

Maybe you were being ironic/dumb.
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“Explain to me how it is incontrovertible that "human life" begins at conception and not a point before or after?
last edited: 8/01/05 8:51:43 AM”

“Who are you addressing Mutt?”

“Anyone who believes that. I've never seen an objective explanation of that.”

“Well, I don't believe it is incontrovertible that "human life" begins at conception and not a point before or after. That being said, to answer the question you'd have to agree on what "human life" is.

What is your definition of "human life" Mutt?”

“What is your definition of "human life" Mutt?

I haven't heard a definition that is entirely objective of belief systems, or lack thereof. And of course, that has important implications for the Fed's involvement.”

“I haven't heard a definition that is entirely objective of belief systems, or lack thereof. And of course, that has important implications for the Fed's involvement.

Well, if you don't even know what human life is, not gonna be possible to answer your question then is it?”