Mountaintop removal mining

““Tilt lives in a fairy tale world where the only reason coal is used for electricity is because the evil Coal Mining Lobby has used their "blood money" to bribe and lobby our government to suppress other sources of energy. In reality, if lunatics like Tilt get their way, poor people will be hit the hardest from increased energy costs. So much for caring for the poor. But not to worry, Tilt will be warm.”

i don't know tilt but this isn't or at least shouldn't be one way or another.. this you're with us or against us #&%!$ doesn't get us anywhere.. things in the green energy industry are kicking in high gear right now.. that's a very good thing.. there are drawbacks to that too.. windmills on hundreds of miles of ridgetops doesn't do it for me.. a wind farm in IL, IA, TX.. hey.. not so bad.. btw. there was a site of MTR right off of I64/I77 Exit 85 and you would never even know it.. disheartening place to say the least.

as to "blood money" well, it's true.. "clean coal" is the most recent example of shistyness from the energy folks. iraq is another..

and the scare tactics are a bit blas'e these days. old pal dick wheeled outta there a month and a half ago. :D”

“That's the thing. There were laws passed so they had to Try to reform the original contours and not just dump tailings into the valleys, but they seem to get waivers time and again so the laws that were fought so hard for were all just a waste of time.

Kind of like certain presidents that cut the budgets of certain agencies so there was no one left to enforce the laws. They get their way.... one way or another. They fight any and all regulation tooth and nail from one end of the process to the other (kinda like the financial services industry, < wink-wink >).

And some people are so dense they think any cost-cutting the mine owners do is passed on to "poor people"??

Sure.... and whenever miners wanted enough money to be able to feed their families, the mine owners would just give it to them, right? They wouldn't hire a private army of Pinkertons to crack heads would they?”

“What kind of electricity do you use, t*ltypoo?”

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Last week Ken Salazar, Secretary of the Department of the
Interior, appeared before the press to make a "Big
Announcement."

Sadly, his "big announcement" was merely a statement of intent
to return to the George W. Bush era of refusing to protect
streams and rivers from the destructive practice of mountaintop
removal coal mining.

TAKE ACTION NOW:
http://action.earthjustice.org/ct/Xdw8SZK11Tsg/

Secretary Salazar announced that Interior is moving to vacate a
midnight rulemaking by the outgoing Bush administration that
stripped stream protections from the Reagan-era Stream Buffer
Zone rule. Sounds good so far, right? But then he made an
about-face by revealing that Interior would continue to
implement the restored rule as it had in the past: that even
though the Stream Buffer Zone rule is back on the books,
Interior won't even enforce it to stop stream destruction! In
fact, Salazar fervently promised that current coal mining
practices would not be affected, and it's going to be business
as usual for coal companies who carry out destructive
mountaintop removal mining.

TAKE ACTION NOW:
http://action.earthjustice.org/ct/Xdw8SZK11Tsg/

Secretary Salazar's announcement is meaningless without a
commitment to enforce the law. Returning to the status quo will
continue to allow destructive mountaintop removal coal mining
practices to dump waste within 100 feet of perennial and
seasonal streams. When Secretary Salazar campaigned to serve as
a Colorado Senator, he said that some of his proudest
accomplishments in public life came from bringing varied
interests together to protect and preserve land and water. Tell
him to take a strong stand and enforce the Stream Buffer Zone
rule.

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“T*ltypoo is wanting to kill children, again.”

“goddamn site is blocked at work - I'll sign it tonight. Thanks for keeping us informed on this”

“Tilt, I'll put that load of coal, you ordered for Stovie, on his roof, okay?”

“Obama had to keep saying � 'clean coal' � 'clean coal' � 'clean coal' � all during the election the same way he kept saying � 'ethanol from corn'.... � He wasn't about to throw away Iowa in the primary or West Virginia in the general.”

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Dr. James Hansen agrees to debate a major coal mining company CEO in West Virginia
Posted on Monday, June 22, 2009

Last week the President and CEO of Massey Energy, Don Blankenship, when he learned Dr. James Hansen would be joining protesters tomorrow in a demonstration against mountaintop removal for coal mining, publicly challenged Hansen to a debate on coal burning and climate change. Along with hundreds of others, Hansen is headed to West Virginia to participate in tomorrow�s demonstration, and is expected to risk arrest by marching with protesters to the private property of Massey Energy to make a set of demands. Hansen took Blankenship up on the offer. (We hope the debate goes forward and that someone records it!)

Post by Anne Polansky (comments may be emailed to NCCPI.mail@gmail.com)


The �Coal Tattoo� blog on the West Virginia Gazette announced last week that Don Blankenship, CEO of Massey Energy Company, upon learning that Jim Hansen would be participating in a major civil disobedience action protesting mountain top removal tomorrow (June 23), challenged him to a public debate on the topic of coal burning and climate change.

Hansen announced today he�s taking the Massey executive up on his offer, and will even one-up him: if Blankenship is a no-show, Hansen will address the public anyway, on Wednesday June 24 (location TBD).

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“Why is it I have the desire to crank up a dragline...(LOL)”

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Tomorrow, June 25 at 3:30 p.m. EDT, the United States Senate
will hold an important hearing about mountaintop removal. We'll
be watching... we hope that you will too.

Go to:
http://action.earthjustice.org/ct/4dw8SZK1xUek/

Despite the progress that we've made so far to stop mountaintop
removal, mountains are still being blown up all over Appalachia.
In Washington, while we were disappointed by the recent news
that the Obama administration is not yet bringing an end to this
destructive practice, there is hope on the horizon.

In Congress, two proposed bills could curtail mountaintop
removal mining by banning certain activities. The Appalachia
Restoration Act (S.696), a bill in the U.S. Senate, would
prohibit coal companies engaging in mountaintop removal from
dumping their "fill material" into streams and other waters. A
similar bill in the House of Representatives, the Clean Water
Protection Act (H.R.1310) would put even tighter restrictions on
coal companies dumping this pollution into Appalachian streams.

Tomorrow's hearing is the first Congressional hearing on
mountaintop removal since 2002. We're glad to see that Congress
is talking about this issue, and we'll be watching. Check the
hearing webpage to find the webcast:

http://action.earthjustice.org/ct/4dw8SZK1xUek/

Stay informed to help us end mountaintop removal in 2009! We
can't do it without you.

Sincerely,

Your friends at Stop Mountaintop Removal
http://action.earthjustice.org/ct/r1w8SZK1xUel/
http://www.stopmountaintopremoval.org/link-redirect.jsp?domain=stopmtr&itemID=28537368&member_key=iw8ub75rr77jn8i8&

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“All you pro-pollution "backpackers" be sure to tune in.”

“For those of you who haven't seen it up close and personal...

I can only describe mountain top removal as "rape of the land".”

“Turn that A/C up, t*lty. LMAO”

“They're replaying "Mountain Top Removal" tonight on SCETV "Southern Lens".”

“Too bad there isn't a way to just fry the great-grandchildren of people who talk the coalmining industry line. Everybody loses, unfortunately.�
Tilt
7:26:43 PM
8/20/07


I'm sure it was very fair to both sides since you recommend it, t*lty. LOL”

“No one should have black sludge coming out of their well because a mining company is given waivers to circumvent environmental law.”

“Replaying it? Why? I thought Daddy-O put a stop to it? Is this just another reminder?”

“*snicker*”

“Didn't t*ltypoo's messiah claim this evil coal use wasn't going to happen EVER again if he was elected?

How's that A/C working, t*ltypoo?”

“Hey, what's that on your face, Tilt? LMAO”

“Didn't t*ltypoo's messiah claim this evil coal use wasn't going to happen EVER again if he was elected?

How's that A/C working, t*ltypoo?”
Stovie
9:05:01 AM
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we assume you have proof of this?”

“Is is safe to assume stovie and nc approve of MTR?”

“How's that A/C use going, chili?”

“Assuming is what TTers do best so have at it.”

“you'r words are as empty as you'r head stoviet”

“2000 Congress decision on the 1997 updated definition (ASSUME)

After much debate throughout the internet, Al Gore, who had created the internet, made a submission to the United States Congress that they were required to make a final statement about what the word truly means.

After deliberation, the US Congress determined that the word actually meant "to decide on something without proper evidence". They determined this without any actual evidence at all, and just decided. They also decided that Al Gore didn't invent the internet at all.”

“Didn't t*ltypoo's messiah claim this evil coal use wasn't going to happen EVER again if he was elected?

How's that A/C working, t*ltypoo?”
Stovie
9:05:01 AM
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we assume you have proof of this?””

“It would stand to reason that if we keep allowing them to remove mountain tops there's no real incentive to move towards renewable sources.”

“There are a whole host of reasons to disallow it, but IMHO there's always incentive (mostly the almighty $) for someone---anyone--- to find a renewable resource.”

““There are a whole host of reasons to disallow it, but IMHO there's always incentive (mostly the almighty $) for someone---anyone--- to find a renewable resource.”

Only as long as the alternative is more cost effective than what we have now. No one's going to make the move to renewables as long as they can make money from government subsidized sources.”

“i guess stobie is to busy ghosting at latta to answer....or just another case of the retard trying to drag t.t. into his fantasy world.”

“Wow, old beef t!ts doesn't look like he's missing any meals.”

“Classy bunch.”

“My guess is they are right on par for a bunch of union miners.”

“WAIT JUST A SECOND

SOME SIMPLE FACTS

Mountaintop mining has been practiced for over 40 years.

Surface mining methods are essentially the same as highway construction.



Hollow fills are areas where the rock and dirt from mining excavation is placed according to a plan designed by engineers and [b]approved by government agencies. [/b]


The amount of actual stream loss from fills is minimal. In fact, where most hollow fills are placed, there is no actual stream.

Mining operations have helped improve habitat for wildlife in Appalachia.


Landowners must give their permission for mountaintop mining.


Mountaintop mining has created numerous sites for new schools, hospitals, shopping centers, parks, golf courses, housing, airports, industry, agriculture and timber.

Whats the problem here Tilty the Government approves of it. Good Lord you want your health to be preapproved by US GOVT...why not trust them on this?”

“That looks good on paper, XL.

Now go look at it in reality.

It isn't anything like hyway construction. It is more like creating a moonscape on some hill.”

“Just more coal company bull#&%!$.

from.... Guess who? LMAO”

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Nice hyway...”

“But TILT its the Government”

“You folks like electricity? Just where do you think it comes from?”

“If there's a self-abusing cause they're on it in a heartbeat.”

“Is your mama still paying your electricity bill, t*lty?”

“Didn't t*ltypoo's messiah claim this evil coal use wasn't going to happen EVER again if he was elected?

How's that A/C working, t*ltypoo?”
Stovie
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we assume you have proof of this?””

“Stovie, do you think if MTR is prohibited, we won't have electricity?”

“I rekun we're gonna need some steel for all those wind turbins, and we'll need some sand for those glass solar panels, oh probably some copper for the smart grid, oh and plastic(petrolium) to cover the wires...

Mountaintop mining is ugly, but let's be resonable here. We need stuff, and stuff has to come from somewhere....

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin....”

“I don't think anyone is talking extremes here Strat. Mining is one thing but destroying the entire landscape simply because it's cheaper and more profitable is another.”