Mountaintop removal mining

“Ever see a steel mine? Or a copper mine? It looks exactly like that photo does. What are the alternatives? I would assume that they replant it and stuff when they are done raping the land....right?”

“Assume ?”

“It's always one extreme or the other with you, isn't it Strat? It's either all the way this way or all the way that way. No in between. No reason.”

“�I don't think anyone is talking extremes here Strat. ...�
Nigal
4:43:33 PM
9/04/09

Nigal, meet t*lt.
*snicker*”

“Chili, if we don't have coal, there will be damn little electricity.”

“Chili...who owns the Mountain?”

“Can I take it that your position is that the owner should be able to do anything he wants with his property?”

“Can I take it that your position is that you will give up A/C during the Spring/Summer/Fall in Mississippi, chili?”

“Where's t*ltypoo? I'm sure he has a 'balanced' opinion on this subject.”

“Stovie, that has become your standard response on this issue, but that approach assumes that MTR is the only way I can have electricity.

That is a false presumption.

I have seen MTR up close and personal and the only way I can describe it as rape of the land.”

“You know what they say about assuming....LOL”

“in many cases, the entity operating the mine does not own the land - they simply have a lease or a right to obtain the mineral or gas that is underground. In the majority of these cases, the land itself is publicly owned, by the National Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management.

The coal obtained from MTR mining is a fairly minor percentage of the total coal obtained in the US. The practice serves to line the pockets of the mine operators - and this is the only outcome that's considered. We don't "need" that coal to keep electrical output at required levels.”

“I lived in the south for 12 years with no a.c. Suck it up.

And Roam is right. Most of the coal produced in this country comes from leases arranged with the feds.”

“I lived in the south for 12 years with no a.c. Suck it up.

So did most of us.....years and years ago. LOL”

“According to my mother who lived out the Depression, the "good ole days" really weren't that good.”

“I am sorry Chili...but where exactly DO we stop with telling people how they can legally "use their property"?”

“Well XL, I would say the answer is how we define "legally use".

Clearly there should be restrictions.”

“UH huh...so you think if I have the money to buy..say A Flag and then decide to Burn it that should be outlawed?

Or maybe I would be told how I could and could NOT decorate the inside of my house?

I do not like destruction of the earth anymore than the next guy (unless the next guy ss Tilty who would strip mine the Garden of Eden) but if ACME wants to buy 1 million acres and screw it up, as long as he is willing to eat the financial loss, and it does not damage his neighbors....should the government tell him what NOT to do?”

“You think if your neighbor starts raising hogs on the lot next to your house in a subdivision, you should be powerless?”

“MTR mining DOES damage the neighbors land. That's a HUGE part of the issue.

And the MTR operator may NOT in fact own the land. (they might, i don't know - but typically the mine operator only has a lease to the land he's mining. kinda fvcked up ain't it.”

“The biggest problem I have with it is the collateral damage to surrounding property.

Runoff, spills, etc. That is not to say that every MTR project has been a fiasco.”

“Okay then if leased, I am certain he would be responsible to the surrounding owners (unless they are Public Property than you can write that off LOL)

I am saying I disagree with destruction as much as anyone else. But I alos remember the WORLD has survived MUCH worse.”

“The problem is that the effects are cumulative AND permanent.”

“But I alos remember the WORLD has survived MUCH worse.”
theXL400

You're gonna always be right with that position up to the point when you are inevitably wrong, and then it will be too late.”