Why Sass and Birch Rawk

“OK, so now that we know why these two are such a scourge to all of mankind, do these tow have any good qualities? I say yes! Sass is living proof that women are born with natural wisdom that men lack. She is always the voice of reason and her ability to convey critical wisdom is amazing. Birch is the only person on this earth I can talk about anything with. He listens and always makes me want to be a better person.

There great parent and good people. :)”

“:) Very nice thread Nigal :)

I for one can't understand the constant slander that goes on here. There are certain people who just don't let things die and move on.

From what I understand they are very good people.”

“sauce and butch must die!

theyre a couple of hippo pickles”

“I for one can't understand the constant slander that goes on here. There are certain people who just don't let things die and move on.

From what I understand they are very good people.
Spirit Coyote

Um, you do understand SC, that those 2 keep harrassing me, right? I don't provoke them.”

“tehn just let it go! :)”

“I just want it to be perfectly clear that the very thing you are asking me to do, you are refusing to ask sass and birch to do. It's hypocritical. I will not stand quiet as they harrass me. It's just not going to happen. If you have a problem with it, take it up with them.”

“No offence sarge, but really, you do tend to beat a dead horse sometimes...

thats all im gonna say about it. Carry on.”

“no, please, dont carry on.

im sure that by now theyve made up their minds to leave you alone forever. let all hostilities cease from both sides”

“nigal, however, is still a putz”

“agreed :)”

“im sure that by now theyve made up their minds to leave you alone forever. let all hostilities cease from both sides

nigal has stood by sass's actions to the very end. They admit no wrongdoing. They think they're everyone's parents. There is no reason for me to believe this will stop. It's been going on for several months and I'm not going to stand by any longer being harassed by these hypocrites.

I will let it drop if sass or nigal can tell me what is Christian about what she said, in context of they way it was said. If I agree, I'll let it go. Otherwise, they will be shown the mirror.
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“so what are you going to do? keep running them down every chance you get? whats that going to solve? it seems you thrive on conflict, you want it. do they tend to be net-nannies too much? maybe. i dunno. i havent noticed it out of them more than your typical trail-talker. there are always going to be people who rub us the wrong way, and sometimes we think they have it in for us. for a long time, stikmon was a thorn in my side, and then you were. this is not healthy, for you or for them. let it go.”

“at the very least, settle this by privately.

ya know, i have a feeling the three of you are having us all on. if you are, all i have to say is BASTARDS! HIPPO PICKLES!”

“Stop playing the victim Sarge, no one buys it.”

“Why don't you tell them to let it go? Because you're friends? It's a double standard. The double standard is very apparent on here. I don't mind if friends stick by friends, that's how life works. But I will point out the double standard and explain that I won't be the one to back down because of that. If I further alienate myself because I won't accept a double standard, nor the hypocricy of them, then I'm willing to take that risk.”

“at the very least, settle this by privately.

I tried that. If you'll go back to the first time Sass sassed me, you'll note that I asked her to email me in the future, privately, instead of putting this trash on the board.

Did she listen?

No!

Good idea crash, but sass and birch have no interest in keeping the peace. They're more interested in coming across as the parental type telling us kids how to behave. I'm not buying it. It's evil.
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“y2 - I'm not a victim. I'm pointing out their hypocricy. If I were in some way hurt, you could say I'm playing victim. I wasn't hurt by their trash talk. I am simply pointing out that it's hateful, hypocritical and uncalled for.”

“i thought they had let it go.

theres an invisible line, difficult to define, between the way we all bust on each other in fairplay, and taking things too far. i cant define it, but i know when someone steps over it. i have yet to see them step over it. but you have. the good thing about you sarge, is that you generally dont start stuff, but the bad thing is, if someone starts with you, you hit them back 10 times as hard. its like punching somebody in the nose just because they stepped on your toes.”

“Yup. That's me. Actually, to be more accurate, I ask the person several times to knock it off, then I hit back 10 x harder. Remember when you first started on me. It was you and mtnsteve I believe. I asked you guys over and over, right? But it didn't stop. Then I pulled off the gloves. That's how I do it. I give the person plenty of chances to stop. I did in this case too. I asked birch and sass to stop (via email by the way). Did they listen? You can see for yourself.

btw - If you don't think telling somebody to leave trailtalk and never come back (not as a joke, but for real), is not stepping over the invisible line, then what is?
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“for the sake of argument, lets say she meant it in all seriousness. then why should she sugar-coat it? youre anti-pc. im sure you believe in saying what you mean, no pu$$yfooting around. you cant hold it against someone when they plainly, openly, and honestly tell you what they feel. not everyones going to like you. slough it off.”

“the reason it's irrelevant if she's being straightforward or not is because what she is preaching to me is about love, yet she isn't demonstrating it herself. She's preaching one thing, doing another. Would her pastor tell that to somebody. I'd be very surprised.
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“If she were just a hateful person, then I'd let it go. But she keeps preaching to me and others about how to act, yet she acts this way. That's where my problem lies. Nowhere else. She is a hypocrite. Her heart is not where she wants people to think it is. She's deceiving herself and others. She can have the 1980s mommy-hairdo and the stories about sandbox spills and the Pampered Chef Thursday nights all she wants, but her heart isn't where she expects everyone else's to be.
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“sarge, you really need to develop some other strategy for resolving conflicts other than the "beat your opponent into submission" strategy. it may work for you, but its hurtful to others. for instance, on the "2005 sucks" thread, i really did not appreciate your continued criticism of me, after i had just opened up about my fathers death and other crises. it was really, really hurtful. there are still posts i havent read because i refuse to go back to that thread and read it. if you really care about humans, you will find a constructive way to get along with people.

no one is perfect, and nearly everyone is a hypocrite at times. i freely admit i have been one at times. but maybe she "acts this way" simply because she doesnt like you. and the reason she doesnt like you is because you come across as so damn hostile all the time, whether you intend to or not. i understand that alot of the time youre not trying to appear hostile, but yet you do anyways. the longer youre around, the more people will see where youre coming from, and wont take things the wrong way as much. i ruffled some feathers in the beginning, as i could be abrasive at times. its all part of the settling in process. i dont think theres a single person on trail-talk i dis-like, altho some have pissed me off greatly. at one point earlier this year, nigal wouldnt speak to me for a month (and im not going to speak to him for a month for being stupid enough to start this thread). but we all pull back together. we're brothers and sisters in our love of the wilderness. we should all try to remember that.”

“you keep changing the goal posts crash. you wanted me to keep this private, then I explained that I did email them and ask them to stop, which they didn't do. That didn't seem to phase you. You don't see a conflict there? Then, you asked about her sugar coating it, and I told you it's irrelevant and gave you the reasons why. You've asked ME to let it go, but you won't ask her or birch to let it go. It's a double standard.

The goal posts keep moving.

If people's feathers are ruffled by me, it's because they didn't like a particular view I had about something. I'm not going to sit down like other conservatives. I'm in the front of the line of many more to come. They've had it. We're coming.

My strategy? My strategy is to ask people to stop pretending like you're full of love, that you're politically correct, that you want free exchange of ideas. I don't care what you (general) say you are. You're not doing it. Live it. Start walking the walk instead of talking the talk. And if you're going to give me crap about what I have to say, I'll give you a few chances to let it out, but if you don't stop attacking me PERSONALLY, then I'll let you know how it feels. Otherwise, start attacking the argument and not the man. Some men don't pu$$yfoot (as you put it) around.”

“LOL! Crash - you told me that you think sass won't do it again. I just happened to read this just now.

A child was walking along a street when a large dog came out of a yard barking. He stood terrified. Soon a stranger came by and said to him, "Come on, little boy, the dog has stopped barking." "Yes," he said, "but the bark is still on the inside." He saw in the eyes of the dog an unfriendly spirit.”

“LMBO

When I read the start of this thread, my immediate thoughts were, "I wonder what Nigal is after, what could he want?" Then I saw it! Nigal is being a troll. He tried to stir something up on a quiet Sunday and he succeeded. You folks took the bait and ran with it. This is beautiful. Keep it up! We need these laughs to keep us going.”

“nowslimmer - I assumed that was obvious.”

“"When I read the start of this thread, my immediate thoughts were, "I wonder what Nigal is after, what could he want?" Then I saw it! Nigal is being a troll. He tried to stir something up on a quiet Sunday and he succeeded. You folks took the bait and ran with it. This is beautiful. Keep it up! We need these laughs to keep us going.”

Who? Me?

”

“nigal, you suck”

“Nigal is one of Sass's and Birch's friends, by the way. See what kind of evil minded friends they have ...”

“awww...look at that face! nigal is so cute, can I keep him?”

“you keep changing the goal posts

total theft, dude. i saw someone else use that arguing with you. plagiarist! hippo pickle!

fine. sass and birch suck. can we move on?”

“Actually Nowslimmer I like balance. When I see someone taken shots for a certain amount of time I like to bring up some of the good points about the person(s). Since we had the “Die Birch and Sass!” Thread last Friday I thought they were due. I like to see the good in others and from time to time actually tell them why I think they’re good.

No trolling here.”

“well then that means you gotta make a be nice to crash bang thang thread, pull-toy.”

“You enjoyed your Crash Bang Gang Bang thread too much. You don't need a nice thread. 8P”

“Actually Nowslimmer I like balance. When I see someon ... - nigal

Bullcrap.
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“watch out nigal, its your turn! :)

hey sarge, can I get a spanking too?”

“crash - The goal post comment is pretty common among people debating resolution, but maybe it was stuck in my head if I read it recently.”

“SC - Maybe you missed something here. Sass was the one giving out spankings.”

“actually, nigal posted that (the balance quote not the goalpost thing). now youre intentionally mis-attributing quotes to make your point
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“Spirits comment is a typical example of the blind sheep that are on this board recently.”

“crash - I corrected it. Thanks for the help.
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“but since you bring up that turn of phrase, you are just as guilty of that as anyone else.”

“Guilty of what? Changing goalposts? Right! I demand the goal posts to remain in one place. That's the basis of my arguments.

Be specific.”

““watch out nigal, its your turn! :)"

For what and by whom? Hey, just do a search on my name and you will see I done paid my dues years ago Missy. LOL! I been bashed, gang banged, jumped on, run through, and bent over more times than Amber Lynne.

This thread is about the GOOD in people; not the bad. :)”

“baaaaa!”

“This thread is about the GOOD in people; not the bad. :)
Nigal

It's also about a double standard.”

“A coyote making sheep sounds. Sounds like a trap.”

“I like my grass too :)

so long as it is grown locally and organically ;) BAAAAA.
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“i think it was the ID one you were doing it really bad. and im pretty sure it was after the discussion turned to relgion. i dont have photographic memory, and these threads are too convoluted and long to be worth it to dredge up.”