Why Sarge Rawks

“As you're always telling us Sarge "Be Specific"”

“Sarge - yes terrorists want publicity, duh - you suggest details of terror attacks are suppressed then?

Controlling the media is one of the basics of a dictatorship. Then where is the freedom that America is based on?”

“Perhaps Jennings remained too proud of his Canadian nationality to dilute it? Do your family all share your views?

He was an anchorman for a news agency. What does his views have to do with anything? Or, I should say, what should his views have to do with anything.

What did you see Sarge? What were they lying about?

They lied about how things happened. They didn't show the soldiers, they showed a skewed perspective of the war. They have an agenda. I know this for a fact.

Most of the global media seemed to be in favor of Desert Storm.

That's fantastic.

My good friends who served saw some very nasty things.

That's reality.

They also mentioned fighting Americans in bars in Bahrain before the war. And Challenger II tanks racing Abrahams across the Iraqi Dessert.

Not sure your point. That's great. Cheers.”

“Buck... to answer your question:
According to Sarge, I am an America Hater.
His opinions weigh heavy upon mine.”

“That's hysterical goat. Really funny stuff.

Ok, you guys are boring. I'll be back later. Thanks for stopping by.”

“What did you see Sarge? What were they lying about?

They lied about how things happened. They didn't show the soldiers, they showed a skewed perspective of the war. They have an agenda. I know this for a fact.

Like what? Be specific.”

“Much, much, later?!”

“Sarge only gets half the story, though.

The left focuses on bombings and that sort of thing.

But the right also needs to play a role in this.

Not all criticizm is bad criticism. Why isn't the right supporting Bush better?

Bush policy has placed Iraq as the most important item that our country faces. He has determined that it is important enough to sacrifice life for. He really needs more troops to get the job done.

Bush was able to win two elections and fight two wars on the basis of 51% of the electorate.

What Democrats or Democratic media do is irrelevant. They speak only to the 49% and have zero impact on conservatives.

The problem that is happening now is that the 51% is weak. The Republican media is not doing enough to maintain the rock of conservative support.

Fox News needs to do a better job.
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“...the average American would be VERY VERY VERY HARD PRESSED to name 2 good things the soldiers have done over there...
Sarge
5:28:21 PM
8/08/05

The average American probably doesn't even know where Iraq is.”

“I think when the media only puts the side of the story on that the terrorists want us to see, then they are responsible for the deaths of American soldiers.

Sarge, don't you think Matt Drudge, and Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh, and the myraid of other conservatives in the media talk about this stuff? What about Fox News, the most watched news source on cable tv? Where do you get your news, only from ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN? Don't you think most people realize certain media outlets tend to be liberal, and others tend to be conservative? Don't you think if you are conservatively inclined, you'll tend to prefer Fox News, and if you're more liberal-inclined, you'll tend to watch CNN or one of the big three? Don't you read The New York Times with skepticism? Don't you think meeellions of other Americans are smart enough to do the same, or are you really really really ridiculously smart and have figured out the whole news media bias thing? Are you one of the select few "in the know"? If liberals are watching Peter Jennings, then he is preaching to the choir and you have nothing to worry about. Ever think they are watching him BECAUSE they know his tendencies, or do you think they started as brains full of mush and Jennings made them all liberal? I don't get it. And the liberal news isn't "lying", they are only reporting what they want at the exclusion of other stuff, and conservative outlets do the same and tend to report stuff they want to bring out.

A lot of conservatives weren't happy about Clinton sending in U.S. troops into Bosnia. They thought it was meddling with other nations and it was a European affair. Did conservatives put our troops at risk when a Democrat sent troops into harms way? Shirley you are smart enough to see the politics of all this crap. You're just adamantly defending your own stinkless crap, which quite frankly stinks to high-heaven for the other side. Don't be so blind to the bigger picture. At least recognize polarized politics for what it is. Okay, you don't have to, it's just a suggestion.”

“I would just like to point out that those that said Sass would not harass me any longer just made a post that obviously demonstrates the hateful person she has been.

Those that said I am somehow being mean to her, look at her post. I have I talked to her? No. Brought her up? No. I asked her several times to stop, and look at what she posted.

You were all wrong.

I was right.

She is evil.

You don't know her like I do.

She has you in her spell.”

“y2 - No. I'm not trying to convince anybody about how I became a conservative. If I have a point I want to make, I'll make it and back it up. At this time, I have no interest in proving to people I am for certain reasons. If they don't believe me, that's fine. I'm not concerned.”

“Buck - Just because "only" 80% of the media lies, doesn't mean I have to accept it. It's plenty enough to influence elections and motivate terrorists to continue attacking innocent people and American soldiers.”

“Sass - A lot of people said you would leave me alone, that you would stop and I was the one being persistent.

You proved them wrong.

Thank you.”

“Sarge is Birch, right?”

“I'm out for real now. No sass, not forever. Nice Christian thing to say as you preach to me how to act. Give it up. It's old.”

“They lied about how things happened. They didn't show the soldiers, they showed a skewed perspective of the war. They have an agenda. I know this for a fact.

If I have a point I want to make, I'll make it and back it up.
Sarge
5:46:17 PM
8/08/05


Well go on then, you've offered nothing to back this point up”

“Silly man, all I did was ask when you'd be back. =) You can always put me on ignore.

"I asked her several times to stop,"

I'm confused as to when you asked me the above? It wasn't in the email you sent me. Can you show me the posts please?”

“:D”

“It's amazing Bush ever got elected since the mainstream media was against him. It was so tilted it was hilarious. But he still got elected. I think most people realize what's going on and I don't feel like I'm incredibly smart for figuring it all out while the rest of America is putty in the liberal-media's hands. I just don't see it that way.

I have mixed feelings about the exposure terrorists get in the media. For one thing, it turns the American public AGAINST terrorism even more and garners support for the war against them. It's just plain disgusting and when someone threatens us, we don't get scared, we get riled up and want to fight it. So that's not a negative response. Secondly, we have a free press and we can't suppress it. One reason why we are so strong it because of this freedom of the press. Would you prefer having whoever's in power in Washington filter terrorist threats for us? Remember, when Dems are in power we don't trust them as far as we could throw a Humvee. I don't want Hillary filtering the media for me.
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“Here's the problem. People watch the media that reflects their existing beliefs. The 49% opposed to Bush has always opposed him and always watched PBS, listened to NPR and read the NYTimes.

The 51% watch Fox News and read the Wall Street Journal.

The 49% still opposes Bush.

The only reason why Bush's numbers are down is because Republicans are less supportive. Since these people generally use conservative media sources, the problem is not with the liberal media, but with the conservative media.”

“By golly, I see the light! I've had a revelation! And I owe it all to sarge and his glorious, god-like insight!...i'm never going to trust liberal media ever again. Heck, i'm gonna change my voter status to republican first thing tomorrow! Praise the sarge!”

“Sass - Since you obviously didn't read the emails I sent you, I'll copy/paste right from one of them.

Do me a favor. Do me the same courtesy I give you. I don't post anything to you until you give your little preachy posts to me. Just ignore me.”

“y2 - Are you trying to come across as clueless. Is English your 2nd language?”

“Buck - I'm not talking about filtering at all. I'm talking about giving the complete story. We're talking about ABC News. It's history is long, as is the networks. I don't know how old you are, but when I grew up it's all there was on television. News anchors were very familiar to everyone. They were to be trusted. Now, the major news outlets CLAIM to be fair, but they're not. This is about honesty. If they'd just come on at the beginning of the show and ADMIT they were liberally biased, that they have an agenda, I'd be all for it. But that's not the reality.”

“But Sarge, most people realize the bias and those who do not are liberals. You aren't some genius who figured this out. It's pretty much public knowledge. There are conservative new sources too, and people see those for what they are as well. Example... I don't see Fox News as conservative (at least not in their news reporting, but perhaps in their commentaries), because I think for ONCE a mainstream news outlet is being more honest, but many libs see it as obvious conservative. They even say over and over they are fair and balanced. Should Fox come out and say they have agenda, or should only the ones who YOU think should? That's my point.”

“After tawkin' with Sarge, I feel extreeemely liberal right now. I need a shower.”

“y2 - Are you trying to come across as clueless. Is English your 2nd language? - Sarge

Hmmm... Sarge, you've almost got Y2 wrapped around your finger. Your approach to change views is so effective, I'm taking notes.

This reminds me of why I don't have a Christian fishy symbol thing on the back of my truck, because behind the wheel I drive pretty aggressively and I don't want to be a bad example of what they might perceive a good Christian driver should be. Although some of the rudest drivers I see have the fish symbols.”

“Of course you all know you're being lead around by the nose, right?”

““They lied about how things happened. They didn't show the soldiers, they showed a skewed perspective of the war. They have an agenda. I know this for a fact."

- you've offered nothing to back this up in any way shape or form Sarge. Be Specific!”

“Nope, you never asked me to stop. You asked me to ignore you. You'll have to be more specific next time.”

“Of course you all know you're being lead around by the nose, right?

I KNEW Sarge was really you!
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“Will somebody please let go of my friggin' NOSE?”

“sass, would you stop?












being so darn cute?


:-D”

“he served his country in the armed forces

he has a quirky sense of humor

hes a hiker

he is kind to animals (seriously. y'all know about kissyduck, right?)

he thinks limbaugh is obnoxious
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“I just can't help it. It's my 80's hair-do isn't it? Or maybe the facials I whip up with my pampered chef spatula! =D”

“I think there is a slight tilt to the left on mainstream media and a slight tilt to the right on non mainstream, especially radio etc. It probably balances out. Regardless, I have faith in the average American to make the correct decision and determine the truth.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a softie on you "Hey Saddam aint so bad lets follow the hollywood stars and be human shields for the Hussein Govt" long haired fruit loopy types. The kind that would gladly pose in pics with enemy weaponry, the kind that believe the avg american soldier is worse than anything the Nazi's or Stalinists could come up with, the kind that if you wouldn't get lambasted would still spit on the young men and women in uniform when they came home or the kind that carry signs during protest stating "we'll support our troops when they kill their officers". You know who you are and despite what Susan Sarandon or Tim Robbins say I think you're in the minority and wrong about the whole America sucks and only John Kerry can save us.

That being said this is what makes us a great country.”

“Landser, you are a wise man. I agree with you 100%. Coming from me, that's saying something. If I were you, I'd print this post out and frame it.

Buck Forester
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“who is saying that america and american soldiers suck, besides USA? and when he does, the mainstream left is quick to shout him down”

“"But Sarge, most people ... blah blah ..." - Buck

Buck, the terrorists use the fact that the media plays the game their way to attack us and kill people.”

“"Buck, the terrorists use the fact that the... blah blah flippin' yakkity yak yak yadda yadda yadda blah..." - Sarge

Bull crap, Sarge. When terrorists threaten us, it strengthens our resolve against them. When the media plays terrorists threats, it's proving we still have a free media and they can't shut down our way of life. If you want censored media, they win. You want a strong military? Then let the terrorists spread their message of hate against us and watch the American populace vote in pro-military politicians.

Sarge, looking at it counterwise, the terrorists win when we go after them. They want us to bring our big guns into their countries so they can perhaps, hopefully, turn those countries against us as we pursue them. They WANT armed conflict, not because they think they can beat us on the battlefield, but that they can draw us into war and beat us via popular opinion in the Muslim countries.

But then again, you only look at things one way, so why do I even bother. Oh ya, I almost forgot, you're on a mission and everyone is against you and you're holding sacred ground. My apologies. Carry on.
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“Buck - You keep turning this around as if I'm arguing I want censored media.

I'm going to use the word ...

Hold on ...

Get ready flamers ...

"Strawman"

Buck, I think you twisting what I'm saying is getting to be a habit. Did I say anything about censorship? Did you at least consider what I was trying to say? Did you take it into consideration or did you just put words into my mouth? It appears you are not considering what I am saying. If you want to debate with an imaginary person, let me know when you're done, then we can go at it afterwards. Thanks. I'm going back to the gym. Be back soon. Carry on.”

“Buck, I think you twisting what I'm saying is getting to be a habit
Sarge
8:06:09 PM
8/08/05


sarge, think Buck learned that from you”

“Sarge teaches Advanced Twister® in between workouts. He's got more twisters than the plains of Kansas.

Uhhhh... Sarge, next time you hear a threatening tape from Oksana Baiul or Mohammed OooOOoo La La from the remote mountains of Pakistan, watch Drudge. You know, Drudgereport.com? He'll have it plastered all over there... dang liberal Matt Drudge, yes he is, you betcha. What about Fox News "Hannity & Combs" reporting on it and tearing apart each sentence word by word? What about Newsmax.com and Worldnetdaily.com? You think they don't report this stuff? And you're just blasting the "liberal" news media as playing into the terrorists hands?

If you don't want the media to play something, even into the hands of terrorists as you say, then that is censorship. Hay, sorry for all the straw, man. I'll clean it up later.

Sarge, I'm about as pro-military, pro-conservative, pro-traditional values as they come. But from what I've seen here lately, I think I'd vote for John Kerry over you.

But I still like you and I'd hike with you, I just wouldn't vote for you. Nothing personal.”

“i smell some serious dissension in the ranks”

“The liberals have broken us. :Þ”

“Sarge is Birch, right?”
reformed lurker
5:48:48 PM
8/08/05

RL, that is too funny. There is no way I could spend that much time online, heck I am work all day and If I use a computer I am in big trouble LOL.”

“Buck - civilians don't impose censorship. I am not the government. That's a basic point that liberals and conservative Californians don't get.”

“Buck, if the public saw how sarge post on here there may be a mass exodus from the conservative party to the liberal party ;)”

“Of course you can't impose media censorship yourself personally, but you're arguing for it when it comes to terrorist threats. Call it whatever you want, that's what it is.”