Disabled boy laughs too hard, ejected fr om movie

“... at the expense of others ...”

“thousands of people every day are being raped, robbed, murdered, starved to death, etc. this is a non-issue”

“The only issues we should talk about are rapes, robberies, murderers and starving people?

Common courtesy and respect is essential to civilization. If you let that erode, the entire civilization will fall with it.

The children in these cases were disturbing a great many paying customers. It is unreasonable to ask an entire theater of people to not enjoy a movie they paid for when there is only one child with a problem. The parents are rude - and are trying to collect money. Plain and simple.”

“So if someone with a handicap is destroying my enjoyment of a movie I should just suck it up?”

“yes”

“There is a reasonable expectation when you pay to see a movie that you will be able to watch it without unreasonable distractions and with a reasonably comfortable atmosphere.

This isn't about the audience kicking the kid out. This is about the audience getting their monies worth from the theater.

The theater manager has to provide a reasonable atmosphere to watch the movie. That is the expectation going into the movie. Otherwise, he should compensate them justly.

If he wants to allow the kid to continue to create a disturbance, fine - compensate everyone in the theater fairly, at which point they can decide to return to the theater or not.”

“s-rge, at some point in some other discussion, you made a point (a well-made one) about how good we have it here in our affluent american civilization, that we should be thankful for what we have, because millions of people in third world countries dont have it as near as good as we do. people in rwanda would be overcome with joy just to have a movie theater to have an annoying noisy kid in.

im not taking sides in the issue as much as i am saying lets keep this in perspective”

“the kid paid to enjoy the movie too and he more than anyone else has a legal right to be accommodated. Everyone else's right is just an economical consideration of the management.”

“BTW sarge, you aren't sounding very christian.”

“There is a family with a special needs child who is about 20 at our church. I have actually watched people sneer at her and the family when she gets a little loud. Generally she is noisy only for a second or two. Those that have so little tolerance that they see one of Gods special children as an inconvience should just stay home. Church is doing them no good.

I don't go to the movies often because of the disruptive crowds. Most are capable of proper behavior, but decide to be disruptive. Those I have no tolerance for.”

“crash - to continue keeping it in perspective, a major aspect of what allows us to have those nice theaters is our sense of civility which leads to a growing infrastructure. We should not remove it.”

“but to play devils advocate, the kid would probably laugh like a spaz at saving private ryan, so whats the point in taking him to the theater?”

“Hyway - I see you're out of the gate making personal insults already. Mind if I do that too or is it just something you can get away with?”

“yes”
Hyway
3:49:50 PM
3/01/06

OK. If I didn't and wanted a refund do you think I would get it?”

“Everyone else's right is just an economical consideration of the management.

Incorrect. They paid money for a service with certain expectations. This incident does not detract from the original agreement.”

“I don't see it as an insult. I am just wondering where is that christian belief system you are always trumpeting. Do you not see that you are comparing your paid for assurance of being reasonably free of distractions to a family's 90 minutes of freedom to escape their 24 hours a day life of distractions.”

“I'd like to see you sue a theater for not providing a laugh free environment at a comedy.

The truth of the story whether any of us like the law or not is that the management could no more legally throw them out than they could refuse seating for someone in a wheelchair.”

“hey bearmagnet and s-rge, you do realize youre on the same side here, right? feel dirty yet?

i will say that, yes, i think they should probably have not taken the kid to the movies. i agree with s-rge's "reasonable expectation" argument. having worked with disabled kids, i can say that theyre happy doing just about anything, as long as theyre getting attention and out and about. but the fact that this is national news is severely overblowing the scope of the whole thing.”

“BTW, I have a downs syndrome son and I try to accommodate other people as we visit public places, but sometimes you are just going to have to accommodate us. Jason has just as much right to lead a fulfilling life as anyone else.”

“I made that snorting laugh sound twice during the movie and embarrassed my middle daughter. Thankfully nobody complained to management.”

“Response to your personal comments:

I don't see it as an insult. I am just wondering where is that christian belief system you are always trumpeting.

Obviously if you think that what I am doing is not Christian then you are being insulting. I seriously doubt this question was posed out of mere curiosity.

Do you not see that you are comparing your paid for assurance of being reasonably free of distractions to a family's 90 minutes of freedom to escape their 24 hours a day life of distractions.

First of all, I am not there. I am not comparing anything to what I have done, or will do. (I am building a home theater right now to avoid theater distractions and to raise the level of quality viewing). So, "no", I don't see that.

As a movie-goer, one families problems are not mine. As somebody who pays a theater owner money to watch a movie given a certain amount of good faith quality movie-watching in return, one expects to get what they pay for. This isn't about the movie-goers relationship with the family doing the distracting. This is about the agreement between the movie-goer and the theater. The theater needs to come through on their end of the agreement. Period. Whatever it takes.

I agree that the manager has the right to let the kid make a racket, but he needs to compensate the rest of the audience and let them decide if they want to return. If he continues in that manner, it's only a matter of time before he'll go out of business. That's his problem. But "my" problem, as a movie-goer, exists at the time of attempting to watch the movie.

You are somehow projecting that onto how you think I would treat handicapped people. Don't assume. You know what they say.”

“Dude, you are doing a fine enough job saying how you would treat handicapped people. I don't have to assume anything.”

“No. I think the theater should have "sucked it up".

I'm debating b/c I'm not sure what I would have done.”

“I haven't mentioned at all how I would treat handicapped people. Nothing I have said indicates that.

Perhaps you're reading somebody else's posts.

That's personal insult #2 Hyway.
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“I don’t think handicapped people have rights that are different from the rest of us… just a special kind of protection for the same rights we all have. It was appropriate for the theater to insist the people stop being disruptive or leave the theater. Just because the gentleman is handicapped doesn’t mean that he is exempt from the rules of the theater that apply to all the other patrons.”

“How dare you question my son, daughter, dog, or cat's social behavior! They are perfect and above questioning!”

“Sarge, I don't think I have insulted you at all. I just read your post and restated what I read in them back to you. But I tell you what, to keep from offended your delicate sense of due respect, I will just put you on ignore since it is apparent that I am incapable of understanding you. Problem solved.”

“That's personal insult #2 Hyway.

Sarge
3:19:36 PM
3/01/06

”

“Hyway, so what you're saying is that what you do to the least of these, you do to Him? Who's quote is that again? I think I can agree with that statement.

I'd like to think if I was in that theatre that I would be annoyed until I realized the situation then would keep my trap shut and if my kids were with me use that as a chance to teach them a lesson about helping others and making allowances for others who are different from us.”

“Hyway, remember you are attempting to have a conversation with a troll that faked his own death. Hopefully he does not represent the hearts and minds of most of us TT'ers. Two of my wife and I best friends have a special needs child. Their labor of love is an inspiration to us as are you to me. I know this story personally hits home for you. I would just like to say you are doing a great job dad.”

“Opps Double post.
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“BTW, I have a downs syndrome son and I try to accommodate other people as we visit public places, but sometimes you are just going to have to accommodate us. Jason has just as much right to lead a fulfilling life as anyone else.”
Hyway
3:05:49 PM
3/01/06

His rights end when he starts to infringe on the rights of others. People have a right to watch a movie without disruption from the audience.”

“Sarge, enough of the crying game. Grow a pair.”

“Thanks dayhiker. Like I say, many times I will leave someplace if jason becomes to much of a disturbance, but sometimes I have no choice. Like if he is just being slightly annoying and I have my other 2 kids with me. I can't just leave them on their own and I don't think they should have to leave either. Then again, sometimes I just get overwhelmed and think "I deal with this everyday, it isn't going to kill anyone to be slightly inconvenienced for 90 minutes."

Its hard to have empathy for other somedays when you just spent a week trying to find a daycare for a 6 yo boy who isn't potty trained. people #&%!$ing about a boy laughing too hard at a movie should give that a try and discover what real frustration is.”

“His rights end when he starts to infringe on the rights of others. People have a right to watch a movie without disruption from the audience.”
bacpac
3:39:31 PM
3/01/06

I agree with that too, but human decency kicks at some point. If you had a special needs person kicked out of a theatre because you couldn't hear all of the dialogue could you then look in the mirror or your own childs eyes after the event? I couldn't.”

“bacpac, I might agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that you are wrong.

Bateaux, thanks for understanding. I often think about how you let Jason fall asleep in your lap while we were sitting around a fire at Graveyard Fields and appreciate how good you were with him.”

“hyway, I've thought about that photo for this entire thread and still regret I wasn't able to make that trip.”

“I will retract what I said (about you insulting me) if you can show me how I said how I would tread any handicapped person on this entire thread.

You can start with my first post on here which reads: "They should have let him stay and refunded everybody else's money." - Sarge
5:39:38 PM - 8/18/05, and go from there.

Otherwise, you're making baseless claims about what I've said, and crying about it when I said that you are insulting me without provocation.”

“We missed you. We'll have to try it again sometimes.

I know I am taking this thread to personal. Usually I am never really serious about the things I post here and I have never put anyone on my ignore list till now. Maybe I should just stay away from this thread :).”

“For anybody who has commented (by apparently believing Hyway's baseless claims) that I would be treating the handicapped person in a non-Christian way, I would appreciate a quote where I have said how I would treat the kid. I have not commented on that this entire thread.

I suppose it's fun to throw up strawman arguments if it makes you feel better, huh Hyway, dayhiker, and Bateuxdriver?

Show me the money. Back your personal insults up with facts.”

“Sarge, I'm ignoring most of your lengthy arguments. I don't read this site for debates and avoid them. Nothing personal. I merely said how I hope that I would act. I'm sorry if my comments sounded like I was stepping on your toes. That was not the intent.
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“As you walk away ... the false claim that you made about me (how I would treat handicapped people) still lingers.

Can you not even apologize before you go? Two people commented after you about claims you made which were based on NOTHING. A little bit of courtesy is in order.
last edited: 3/01/06 3:59:21 PM”

“That's fine dayhiker. Thank you for the apology. It is appreciated.”

“I suppose it's fun to throw up strawman arguments if it makes you feel better, huh Hyway, dayhiker, and Bateuxdriver?

Show me the money. Back your personal insults up with facts.”
Sarge

Sarge my last comment on this thread is a simple one. It is not what you say but how you live that makes a difference. Hyway and Dayhiker are two people that I respect because I have spent time in their lives. I hope to spend more time with them and the others like them here on TT. That is the whole reason for being here for me. Good people.”

“If good people is people who turn a discussion into an opportunity to throw around personal insults, I don't want to be good people.”

“enough of the crying game. Grow a pair.”
bacpac

notice the reference to the infamous trans-sexual movie. also notice the usage of nigals pet phrase, and we all know nigal is more than a little in touch with his feminine side (not that theres anything wrong with that)

therefore

nigal=bacpac”

“bacpac showed up at a trip to Sipsey 2 years ago. He ain't Nigal. Rabbitman met him.”

“It seemed more like this to me:

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“It seemed like beating an alive horse that talks?”