So what do we think about Cindy Sheehan?

“http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm

CINDY UNLEASHED: 'THE BIGGEST TERRORIST IN THE WORLD IS GEORGE W. BUSH'
Wed Aug 17 2005 21:51:56 ET



"We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We’re waging a war of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush!"

So declared Cindy Sheehan earlier this year during a rally at San Francisco State University.

Sheehan, who is demanding a second meeting with Bush, stated: "We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is contaminated. It will be contaminated for practically eternity now."

Sheehan unleashed a foul-mouth tirade on April 27, 2005:

"They’re a bunch of ****ing hypocrites! And we need to, we just need to rise up..." Sheehan said of the Bush administration.

"If George Bush believes his rhetoric and his bull****, that this is a war for freedom and democracy, that he is spreading freedom and democracy, does he think every person he kills makes Iraq more free?"

"The whole world is damaged. Our humanity is damaged. If he thinks that it’s so important for Iraq to have a U.S.-imposed sense of freedom and democracy, then he needs to sign up his two little party-animal girls. They need to go to this war."

"We want our country back and, if we have to impeach everybody from George Bush down to the person who picks up dog **** in Washington, we will impeach all those people."”

“while i agree with much of her message,

there's nuthin like the 'F' word to get your point across. throw in a couple of 'S' words too and you've got yerself a fine argument.

she's worse than michael moore for the anti-bush cause.
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“I actually feel sorry for her. It's one thing to protest the war but it's another to be so naive that you allow yourself to be used by groups with an agenda. She lost a son & that's a terrible thing to deal with, but at some point one must pull oneself together & move on wit life. Even her own family has now come out publicly & said she's over the line & needs help. Too bad there are some taking advantage of her, if they were truly caring people they wouldn't continue to use her as they are for their own gain.”

“But wanderer has said it all rather well....”

“Same here - wanderer nailed it.”

“Sheehan is more of an artifact of timing than anything else. With approval levels for Bush and the war so low, it was just a matter of time that someone or something like Sheehan would become a big story.

I mean, parents who have lost kids in Iraq have been speaking against the war for a while now. She was just the wrong woman in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

“It's funny how wanderer repeats the party line (straight from Rush, Drudge, O'Reilly, et all) and his little 'me toos' echo him.

#&%!$ing sheeple.”

“Compassionate conservatism.”

“Violin, what you just said was a typical liberal Bush-hater straight-party-line sheeple response. Where's your training center? We must bomb it. Take us to your bosses. We must put panties on their heads.”

“So what do we think about Cindy Sheehan?

I don't think about her. After hearing her little pottymouth going off, I could care less about what she has to say. She is just another convenient puppet for the anti-war movement to push their agenda because of the media attention and she is obviously too uneducated to realize it. I do have sympathy for her for the loss of her son, it must be very hard on her.”

“repeats the party line

This is today's lesson on irony. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. He's black.
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“doesn't this sound like Vietnam all over again!!!”

“Vileman, I happened to state what I believed based upon watching newsclips of her & listening to her rants. She also gets a lot of "local" press since she's from this area, so I'm probably getting a little more on her than you are. If others have come to the same conclusion as I have that's their perogative.

I thought you were putting me on "ignore" and I wouldn't have to listen to you anymore?”

“She had a lot of potential to make a statement and blew it. There is no stronger symbol during a war than a mother grieving over her dead son or daughter. Sadly her objectives are political and she has said some stupid things that have really damaged her credibility.

Frankly I understand why the President won’t meet with her. First of all he already has met with her, listened to what she had to say (at the time I admit) and Bush has expressed his feelings and position. He has said he understands her position and he can’t do what she wants. If a dead son or daughter gets you the right to talk to the President in person then Bush has a many, many other mothers to meet and she had her chance. Stand in line like the rest of them, Cindy. Your son is just as dead as the other sons and daughters coming back in body bags.

I frankly respect Bush for respectfully acknowledging she has a right to say what she is saying, to protest, and that he has taken the time to understand her position. That’s what I would have expected from him and that’s what he has done.

She, on the other hand, has a political agenda that goes way beyond expressing her opinion to the President. I'll tell you this much. She ain't no Rosa Parks. I am pissed the press would make this connection.
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“Did the press actually compare her to Rosa Parks?”

“Many times.”

“I am of two opposing minds:

1. I approve of the quote from her and agree with it. Moreover I disagree with Sacco regarding her foul language.

It is about time democrats/liberal started showing some passion, some life, some anger about something.

Sitting blandly by watching Bush light up Iraq murmuring "tut-tuts" of disapproval ain't gonna do it.

That is why I had no problem with Dean becoming party chairman and running off at the mouth. At least the man has some passion and isn't freakin afraid to show it.



2. On the other hand. Her protest down in Crawford was sort of. Well . .for those of you who followed Bison's trials and tribulations on the "dating sucks" thread.


Bison's pursing legal action against his ex is like Sheehan camping out in Crawford.

Her son volunteered for the armed services. He wasn't drafted. A lot of folks in the army are diehard gung ho pro-war in Iraw folks. It was his choice. I feel bad for her . . .but . . . .”

“This is gonna come as a shocker to those who think the know me but have never met me (are you listening VMAN?), but I kinda agree with Lee, at least in one respect... it is PAST time for Dems / Libs & anyone who opposes the war to do something positive & constructive about it. Problem is ranting & raving & becoming emotional & crying for the cameras most assuredly isn't the way to accomplish anyting.

How about ofering some alternative suggestions on how to get out of Iraq? Stop moaning about the fact that we're there, it's too late to do anyting about that. Offer some positive suggestions for the future!

Just like the presidential election...your choice is to sit back & whine & b!tch about what GW & the righties have done (and lose another election), or... come up with what YOU would do differently.

Not a hard concept folks, it's called offering an alternative.”

“lee,
i'm not against foul language as a general rule, but she say's her goal is to get bush to meet with her.

publicly calling him a "#&%!$ing hypocrite" who's "full of bull#&%!$" is not a very effective means to that end.

and calling for an impeachment for those that "pick up dog#&%!$ in D.C." adds a real nice touch.

i too, was a fan of dean's passion, and was disgusted by the way the media and fellow dem's portrayed him.

but there's a difference between passion and plain ol' angry, foulmouthed stupidity.”

“righties?

Are righties the 51% of the voting population that are hick country-dwelling morons whose opinions are somehow less valid than the “gifted” 49% that vote in urban America?

I am a swing voter and I find the language offensive. No wonder the Democrats are losing ground. Wanderer, for the record I agree with you for the most part. That said, I don’t agree (from earlier posts) that what the Democrats need is passion and aggression. If anything they have too much of the wrong kind of this. They need to start respecting that other 51% and recognizing that a Democracy is a compromise and not a never-ending filibuster.

(re-reading this I didn't mean to be so harsh wanderer ... sorry) (wince)
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“I would have to agree that she blew it by going so negative and profane. She has taken a good central theme and ruined it with pop culture nonsense.

I believe that the spector of a truely angry grieving but dignified mother could have really gotten something meaningful started.

When will people learn?”

“(re-reading this I didn't mean to be so harsh wanderer ... sorry) (wince)
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pitts
3:43:53 PM


newbies...”

“again, wanderer nails it. Damn, I make a good "me too"!”

“I feel very bad for her losing her son and she has every right to express how she feels. But just like financial sharks hovering around a widow wanting to bilk her money at a time of emotional distress when she's vulnerable, it is my opinion that the lefty sharks have taken advantage of her emotional vulnerability and are bilking her for all she's worth. Constructive things can come from grief, like MATT (Mothers Against Trail Talkers), but there needs to be a time to step back for a little while and gather your thoughts lest you be taken advantage of. I have spoken, you may all be seated. Please rise first. You in the far back, thanks for standing. Okay, you may now sit down.”

“We paleo-conservative / liberal / anti-Bush /anti-Israel proxy war / anti-oil war types sit back and watch you patriotic types sign up to go fight for your pro-war ideology. That would be interesting to watch. I won't be holding my breath though.
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“Being that we'll never get to see all you chickenhawks do anything that would put yourselves in any sort of danger I guess all us liberals will have to be content to watch the RepubliCONs and DemocRATS who voted for us to go into this middle eastern quagmire squirm and weasel through the next elections in 2006. I myself am going to get so much pleasure watching the rats and con artists desert the Bush Titanic over the next 16 months.”

“hehe, that's me”

“Israel proxy war

*groan*”

“I knew you'd come scurrying out from under the baseboard if I included that Mutt.”

“And now Phaedrus slinks in. I'm beginning to think they are one and the same.”

“That's a pretty mean thing to say, RL.”

“I still want to know when the ACLU is going to file a lawsuit for placing all those religious symbols on public land.”

“Being that we'll never get to see all you chickenhawks do anything that would put yourselves in any sort of danger I guess all us liberals will have to be content to watch the RepubliCONs and DemocRATS who voted for us to go into this middle eastern quagmire squirm and weasel through the next elections in 2006. I myself am going to get so much pleasure watching the rats and con artists desert the Bush Titanic over the next 16 months.”
solitary hiker
3:22:24 PM
8/19/05

You paint with too broad a brush, sir.”

“Right. Some rats and con artists will sink with the ship.”

“OK people.... come back for a minute.

The topic is "Cindy Sheehan".

I know a bunch of you have some political statement you want to make... but... this prticular thread is about Cindy... SO.... stay on topic, OK?

Name-calling is not required, an open mind would be VERY welcome!”

“If I open my mind any more my brain might fall out.”

“I'm growing my hair out long to make room for my brain.”

“Phaeddy Maybe you shoud try addressig / responding to the thread topic?

We're not sure what you mean / how we should respond to your oblique comments about your brain falling out?
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“Okay. I'd like to be openminded toward her, but I think she's a grief-wracked mother without a clear perspective on the things she's discussing publicly. I feel embarassed for her and disheartened by her inability to present a better case.

I also feel empathy for her losing her son.

My views on Iraq are well enough documented here.”

“SSo in general you're in agreement w my original post (below)

“I actually feel sorry for her. It's one thing to protest the war but it's another to be so naive that you allow yourself to be used by groups with an agenda. She lost a son & that's a terrible thing to deal with, but at some point one must pull oneself together & move on with life. Even her own family has now come out publicly & said she's over the line & needs help. Too bad there are some taking advantage of her, if they were truly caring people they wouldn't continue to use her as they are for their own gain.””

“The simple fact is, no matter who protests Bush, or the war, or anything that goes aginst the grain of the republican party, no matter who they are or how they do it, will be viciously attacked by the sheeple (nice, I like that!) that have abondoned logic and reason.

So I say, fhuckem', thier opinion is absolutely meaningless, and they don't DESERVE corteous discourse.

Mrs. Sheehan's message is right on target, and that is what matters most. Her message is based on the TRUTH. Those that attack her because of her message are as loathesome and ignorant as the morons in Al Queda. Disagree if you will, that's fine, but if you disagree with the message, people that have brains and use them have no time for you. We rank your intelligence level with that of a rock.”

“So, let's use Buddha Bear's logic:

1. If you dopn't agree w what he says, then you are illogical & e won't debate you.

2. If tey don't agree w you then " fhuckem', thier opinion is absolutely meaningless". WOW.. this is an incredible statement... it is essentially "believe me or yto don't count"

3”

“WOW! I used to think BB was a loical, rational Human Being!

So, let's use Buddha Bear's logic:

1. If you dopn't agree w what he says, then you are illogical & he won't debate you. (that's pretty mature)- you can't even defend / discuss your position.

2. If they don't agree w you then "fhuckem', thier opinion is absolutely meaningless".

WOW.. this is an incredible statement... it is essentially "believe me or you don't count"

3 Appareantly if you diasagree with the most esteemed and knowledgeable Mr. Bhuda Bear, then you're woowevere... if you disagree... then yoyu're not worth a discusion??? thier opinion is absolutely meaningless, and they don't DESERVE corteous discourse.



BB, I don't know what happened to you in the last couple years. but I truly feel sorry for you. You see nothing but negatives, you now claim that to even discuss an alternative viewpoint is tantamount to a jail-term, you are so over the edge that I can't even have an exchange with you.”

“She lost a son & that's a terrible thing to deal with, but at some point one must pull oneself together & move on with life.

Yeah well I know you didn't mean it in this way but Cindy Sheehan has moved on. She has sparked a movement that is making the Republicans quake in their boots. That's why their talking heads in the MSM have lashed out at her so vehemetely. And the good thing is that no matter what they say Camp Casey ain't going away. The truth is out of the bag now and all the shilling you can do for Bush and the neocons really doesn't matter any more.”

“Good wanderer, because wasting my time having exchanges with people of your viewpint is a complete waste of time/energy. I do appreciate your concern for me, that's very nice wanderer, and I have the same concern for people who are sold a pack of lies, and then manipulate the lies and attack others. Basically, you no longer deserve the discourse. Over the past few years, the discourse has been repeated, again and again, yet it hasn't and will never sink in.

Now I'm off on a date with a really nice girl. You should be off praying for the troops that your vote put in harm's way based on a pack of lies, or signing up to defend your version of what this country is.

peace,

BB”

“Cindy didn't spark a movement, the movement has long been there but they found an emotionally distraught woman who was ripe for manipulation and exploitation. Just look at her earlier stuff, and look at the views of her own son who was PROUD to be fighting in Iraq, as well as the rest of her family. I feel sorry for her in two ways... she lost her son, and she's being exploited in her grief.”

“I haven't been here long enough to have seen Buddha Bear not being a very angry, bitter person. But to each his own.”

“Of course the movement was there all along but Sheehan put a face on it. And she is not being used by anyone. The truth is the truth Buck no matter what Rush Limbaugh tells you.

BTW why haven't you signed up for the Army? I mean if you believe Bush and the neocons maybe you should go over to Iraq and make the world safe from terrorism. Put your ass on the line and then come back and tell us all about how right this war is.
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“solitary hiker, you must listen to Rush a lot more than me or something (apparently most liberals do!) because I don't/can't listen to him because I work 8-5 and they don't allow radios at my desk. Isn't he on in the mornings during normal work hours?

As for the Army, I was in ROTC through college. Also, right after 9/11 I tried to sign up for the reserves but the cut-off age was 35 and I was 37. Then I tried to join the CIA (seriously) but their cut-off age was also 35. I guess I'm too old.

Hey solitary hiker, I'm assuming you're a lib? (I don't even know much about you actually). My day job is working for a gov't subsidy program helping women on welfare get to work by providing child care for them, which they otherwise couldn't afford. And for the last 5 years I've worked part-time for REI which is a strong 'environmental' wilderness adventure company. I ain't gonna ask you what you're doing for society and your causes because, well, franky it's none of my business. Looking at my professions and my hobbies, most folks would think I'm quite liberal. You should at least TRY and get facts before you make assumptions about other people. If you want, that is. No worries either way.
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