Sarge's Question

“sarge you need to make a thread called "Sarge's Libbies List". That way we simple people can recognize these "Libbies" when we see them post.
last edited: 10/28/05 5:24:00 PM”

“Here ya go pitts ...

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“He is apperently still pissed that I mopped the floor with him on that ID thread a few months ago.”

“awww, sarge is looking at his vain self in the mirror
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“Mopped the floor? LOL!”

“Well ped - I've seen more than a few arguments where sarge has threatened physical force against someone he disagrees with. Matt deleted the most overt instance when he posted Buddha Bear’s address and an aerial photo along with a threat. I would hope he archived it.

I'd say his posting of a partial address for you constitutes a credible threat. If I were you, I'd contact the FBI and file a cyberstalking complaint.”

“No, only if Ped was a pussie.”

“Well ped - I've seen more than a few arguments where sarge has threatened physical force against someone he disagrees with. Matt deleted the most overt instance when he posted Buddha Bear’s address and an aerial photo along with a threat. I would hope he archived it.

Matt deleted that post at MY request because BB was making hateful statements about Christians which is against the agreement. He also deleted a "sister" post that he made those statements in that same day where I didn't even post.

LOL! I had it deleted!!!!! The secret is out!!!!

Why? To get under BBs skin.

Bwu-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!”

“PS Violin - Therefore, you are wrong, again.”

“I knew nothing of that Buddha-Bear Sarge thread, or of Sarge's request to have a thread deleted. The information that Sarge did something similar, but more extreme, when he was PO'd at Buddha confirms my reaction. So thanks to Violin for the info and Sarge for the clarification.

Finally, I agree with Nigal - but in very different terms. I think the FBI has enough work to do, and I don't need to create more for them. I'd rather just respond to words, directly, and with words.”

“I would tend to agree with Violin on this one Ped. Based on what Sarge recently did to me as well. He has been storing photos of my family and then using them for stalking. I would take sarge's threat against you seriously.”

“Point of clarification - No threat was made. Buddha Bear made extremely disparaging remarks against Christians. I did not threaten him. I did have the thread removed, and another one almost identical, which obviously Matt felt was a message of hate. (one that I did not post on, but BB did)”

“I would take sarge's threat against you seriously.

What threat?”

“He has been storing photos of my family and then using them for stalking.

Obviously the words of a misguided individual.”

“Sarge's stalking behavior clearly has crossed into a sociopathic/psychopathic realm which should not be taken lightly and could easily escalate as it often does with those types. Sarge has clearly defined himself as a psychopathic liar. Matt, if not the FBI, should alerted to Sarge's stalking behavior.
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“That's what I thought. No threat specified. Just baseless accusations.

typical”

“No Sarge, you got pissed at BB thread mocking you and you posted the fact that you knew where he lived. You made a pretty clear threat.. as you've chosen to do to Ped. "I know where you live" is a pretty clear threat. Crossing the line once again. You need help.
And stovey, you seem to think it's all about 'libbies', it's not. He's managed to insult people who share most of his views too. Sure BB crossed the line with you, but did he ever tell you he knew where you lived?”

“No Sarge, you got pissed at BB thread mocking you and you posted the fact that you knew where he lived.

Fascinating that you can read minds. Inaccurately though.

You made a pretty clear threat.. as you've chosen to do to Ped. "I know where you live" is a pretty clear threat.

Pretty clear? Knowing where somebody lives is a threat? Since when? I've never heard of that before.

Y2, I think you're the one that needs help.”

“Y2, I'm curious. What is the threat in saying (paraphrase) you know where somebody lives?”

“Don't try to weasel your way out marge - don't treat others with contempt. Why else would you even bother going out and finding this information?
You have no need whatsoever to know Ped's or BB's addresses, so why would you go to the effort to find out? To try and make a point should they dare cross you on the internet perhaps? I'm pretty sure these people aren't inviting you over for dinner.”

“So basically you're assuming I have no need for that knowledge, therefore if I seek out and aquire that knowledge, then that's a threat?

Is that your argument?”

“Sarge - so you'd be happy for everyone here to have your address, why don't you post it for us, with your full name maybe? Perhaps that of your family and friends.

Go on Sarge, after all it appears stalking isn't the reason that anyone would want to seek out another's address.”

“He won't Y2, he is a pathological liar. Put him on ignore, it makes TT much nicer.
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“Come on then Sarge, there's no problem with internet weirdos compiling files on others, put ya name and addy up, maybe a few childhood snaps.”

“Sarge - so you'd be happy for everyone here to have your address, why don't you post it for us, with your full name maybe? Perhaps that of your family and friends.

Why would I do that?

Go on Sarge, after all it appears stalking isn't the reason that anyone would want to seek out another's address.

Still don't understand. Sounds like you're saying that because you have somebody's address, you're a stalker. Are you assuming I was stalking somebody? Who did I stalk? When?”

“Scared huh Sarge? Don't want internet weirdos having your address huh?”

“Y2 - I'm trying to understand but you are refusing to communicate with me.

Any address I have I got off the internet. No special log-ins or memberships or fees paid or anything. It was right there to be found utilizing google.

So, again, what are you saying?

First of all, you're talking about something that happened months ago. I did not post pedxing's address. So, why are you bringing that up after he slandered me, my family, and my religion those months ago? Why are you not denouncing him for what he did? Are you ok with people inciting hate against others? That's what he did, and you seem to be ok with that.

Why don't you just say what the exact problem is instead of beating around the bush. This is getting old and you don't seem to have an actual point here other than to be a troll.”

“Of course there is an implied threat. When you are repeatedly attacking someone with words and then you go out of your way to let them know that you know where they live there is an implied threat.”

“Still no address huh Sarge - but it's perfectly fine and not stalking in any way to track down where somebody lives and let them know you have this information.

Come on Sarge, be a man, post your name and address up here. You claim it's fine for others to have that information. Live the life you talk for once. You'll put ped and BB on an equal footing to you then.”

“How about "assumed" threat?

"Implied" presumes that there was a threat made, even though that might not be the case, therefore could very well be inaccurate. "Assumed" is the correct word no matter what the actual intent of the original dialogue.

So to say "Of course" there is an implied threat is naive.”

“Y2 - Where did I post ped's address?

At least tell me that much since you won't answer my questions.

Thanks.”

“No you know peds address, why don't you e-mail him yours? You certainly posted where BB lived. I'm sure you have ped's e-mail addy.

It's a simple way to back up your words with an action, go for it.”

“Come on it's a clear way to show how right you are Sarge, you know that's important to you.”

“Wow! Ok, let me get this straight.

First you chastise me by claiming it's a dangerous thing to post ped's address online when you sarcastically said "there's no problem with internet weirdos compiling files on others" and suggesting that I did just that.

NOW you're claiming I didn't do that at all, but I should email pedxing my address because I know his?

That's strange! Do you send your address out to anybody which you know their address?

What would be the point of that?


It's a simple way to back up your words with an action, go for it.

What words?

You're being very vague here. What words are you talking about? I honestly have no idea what you're referring to.”

“No I'm not Sarge. You're saying it's fine, not me, now come on, be a man if you can- stand by your words buddy.

Or by going and getting this information, and storing it for future use, as a threat, might you have done something out of line.

You went out and found Ped's addy, nothing wrong with having that according to you, put your own out there. Next time you threaten somebody then maybe they can post a nice picture of your house from above.

Check down below sarge, check they are still there.”

“After all Sarge, you're a brave fella, you wouldn't want to make threats to them hiding behind the computer screen would you? Put it out there then eveyone will be able to know you stand behind everything you say.”

“Implied: "indicated by necessary connotation though not expressed directly."

There is an implied threat in the language. I have no way of knowing your motivation, or if you intended the implication. I'm not a mind reader.

It seems to me, Sarge, that either you knew there was a threat implicit in your post or you were incredibly ignorant, naive or stupid. I believe that you are not stupid.

Of course, you haven't explained your motivation for your action on the "Pedxing!!!" thread - or your motivation with Buddha Bear.”

“No I'm not Sarge.

Then just tell me ... What words are you talking about? You still haven't said, I'd say that's being pretty vague.

stand by your words buddy.

Again, what words? I honestly don't know what words you're talking about. Please tell me.

Or by going and getting this information, and storing it for future use, as a threat, might you have done something out of line.

I didn't story anything for future use Y2. Again, what are you talking about? You make it sound as if I am keeping records on people or something, which simply isn't the case. Again, please tell me what you're talking about because this sounds like it's coming out of left field to me.

You went out and found Ped's addy, nothing wrong with having that according to you, put your own out there.

Finding somebody's address = posting somebody's address?

I only looked it up because somebody asked for it so they could send him something. I didn't even post it.

Check down below sarge, check they are still there.

Check down below what?”

“I tell you what, keep changing the subject Sarge, bluster some more maybe - that way even more people will able to draw their own conclusions about what sort of 'man' you are.”

“so is that an implied insult to your manhood or an assumed one?”

“indicated by necessary connotation

The connotation was not necessary, pedxing.

I only looked up your address (didn't post it), because somebody asked for it. How is that a necessary threat?

You need to chill out. LOL!

Please explain your comments about the Pedxing!!! thread. I was going to send the information to maple or gem or whoever it was that asked for your address. Information, by the way, that I found via google.

My "motivation" with Buddha Bear? Well, let's see ... He slandered me, my family, my friends, my religion. Enough so that Matt found it necessary to remove the post. (before you say he removed it b/c I posted anything, Matt removed 2 threads ... at MY request. One I didn't post on.) I was planning (before he got all pissy with me), on sending him a book that would hopefully help him be more tolerant of Christians. Once people started assuming the worst, though, I just decided it wasn't worth it. In fact, the only thing I commented to him was to keep his eye out for something coming his way. People took that in the worst way. It was quite amazing.”

“When did I change the subject Y2?

I thought that WAS the subject.

You're accusing me of saying something, but won't tell me when I said it. Then you said I didn't say it.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

If you'd just be specific and say what it is that is bothering you we could put an end to this nonsense.

It's like you're the riddler or something.”

“I think you've posted enough for people to make their minds up Sarge.”

“Ok Y2. Thanks for being so vague. It's very mature of you. Tells me you don't know what you're talking about and are trolling.

Y2 is a troll. I think that's obvious from your incessant badgering of me.”

“It is a necessary and obvious connotation.

My interest in the thing with BB is not whether you were right or wrong, who escalated or whether BB behaved outrageously. Back when Buddha was pro-war and wanting to crack down on Arabs and Moslems, he argued with me. Whether or not you posted his address and an aerial view of his home (if I understand what happened) out of anger or frustration - the fact that people took it as a threatening act, would lead me to believe that you were very aware of the threatening connotations of a "I know where you live" message in the context of heated disagreement.”

“Dang cranky bunch here today. Y2, i knew vaginal driness could make someone so pissy. Go put some lotion on and settle down. :P”

“Back when Buddha was pro-war and wanting to crack down on Arabs and Moslems, he argued with me. Whether or not you posted his address and an aerial view of his home (if I understand what happened) out of anger or frustration - the fact that people took it as a threatening act, would lead me to believe that you were very aware of the threatening connotations of a "I know where you live" message in the context of heated disagreement.

I am trying very hard to understand what the significance of your prior argument is to this. Please help.

Let me tell you something pedxing. The BB post that was deleted was NOTHING AT ALL like the request for your address on this board. NOT AT ALL. You either are upset with the fact that I could Google your address, or that I made it known that I could Google your address. You seem to be arguing that you're upset that I made it known that I could Google your address.

I have news for you ... I can. You can. Bazillions of people can Google your address pedxing.

I assumed you knew that. If not, maybe you are the naive one.

I didn't tell you anything you shouldn't have already known.

The only way what I did could be realistically perceived as a threat is if you were surprised by this capability. OH NO! Sarge can Google my address! Danger! Danger Will Robinson!

But, that isn't the case, now is it?

You knew that capability existed.

I honestly don't see why you felt threatened.

I offer my apologies if you felt threatened pedxing. My honest attempt was at humor. I did not intend it as a threat - Not only that, to this very moment I can't even figure out WHY I would want to threaten you in the first place. I have no ill-will towards you, and I don't know why you are assuming I do.

I'd love to hike with you sometime. Well, maybe not now that I know you get easily threatened. I prefer friends with a bit more of a stable mindset. No offense, we just seem to not be connecting on a chemical level here.”

“Sarge - as far as my arguments with Buddha, I was just saying that I know he can make some pretty charged posts.

As for the googling for the info - there is the question of going out of your way to show that you knew it. Heck, my address got posted here in the past - I know its available.

The horse looks dead enough to me. I'll leave it alone.

If I meet you on the trail, or at a trail head on a group trip - I'd offer you a friendly greeting and a welcome. I'd probably steer clear of politics (which I normally do on the trail).”

“I believe in honor among thieves. I also believe in Black Hat Etiquette. If someone uses information on the net that makes it possible for someone to find info about you, hey, it’s all on you and your own dumb fault. It’s all fair and square then. If someone GIVES me information like their addie so I can send them something, that is OFF LIMITS. That is like a confession to a priest. Now, if you use your work e mail on your account and you consistently phuck with me and insult me at every single turn, yeah, you’re playing with fire. Do I keep files on TTers? Hell no. Did I book bark Buddha’s info? Hell yeah I did. LOL!”

“a dog reading a book about Buddhism outloud ??? wtf F&N?”