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“Katrina weaker than thought
Category 3 hit land, study says

New Orleans is toast! Make that wet toast. Katrina has now been confirmed to have made landfall southeast of New Orleans at 127 MPH. It was only a Cat 3. A strong 3 but a 3 and not a 4. After viewing Plaqumines Parish with my own eyes I knew the damage was due to water and not wind. I've been to houses that were not flooded and barely lost a shingle. If Katrina had hit at cat 5 eveyone that stayed would be dead. Your tax dollars will almost certainly pay to rebuild it this time. Will you pay to rebuild it again?

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1135149118129420.xml”

“Your tax dollars will almost certainly pay to rebuild it this time. Will you pay to rebuild it again?

Don't go there Bateauxdriver! I raised this question from the very beginning and was hit by stones. I was told I was hateful and not thinking of others. Watch out!”

“Sarge, I want the peope to be helped and to some degree I want New Orleans protected and rebuilt. Unfortunately the time for the New Orleans area to support nearly a million people is past. Relocation is the only sound plan. Almost every year evacuation orders are issued for New Orleans. It is not a place for those that cannot rapidly evacuate to live. I say restore and protect the historic areas and save the wetlands as much as economically feasible. There is vast safe uninhabited ground north of New Orleans. That is where the people that cannot fend for themselves should live. For the cost of rebuilding we can do relocation and only do it once. You would have to live here to understand why I feel this way. Part of the romance of Louisiana is the fact that many of us just like me live in swamps. Unfortunately hurricanes and floods exist and every generation or two we take a horrible hit. Living below seas level, may be cool in Atlantis but it is too expensive here.”

“Well said. As the city sinks more and more every year the problem will only get worse and more expensive to fend off. Preserve the good stuff and move everyone to higher ground.

I certainly wouldn't live right over a fault line if scientists were certain there would be a 9.5 quake every 30 or 40 years.

Don't get me wrong, I feel really bad for everyone that has been ripped from their neighborhoods, from their friends, from their personal history. I wouldn't wish that on an enemy. But throwing good money after bad to "fix" a problem that can never be fixed is just stupid. Especially in light of this new info. They get a cat 5 in three years after many have rebuilt and we'll have another horrible tradgedy.”

“Bateauxdriver - I agree with all of that. I have expressed that on here, but people said hateful things about me instead of considering the content of our posts. It's incredible the level of blindness people have. They are too quick to want to throw money at a problem without considering the real consequences of doing so.”

“Your tax dollars are buying up thousands of trailers as temporary housing for displaced residents. But with the shock from the wind and water of Katrina now easing, other human emotions are rising. Old fashioned greed, fear, classism and racism. It's gonna be a great ride folks hang on.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1135580234129030.xml”

“These people have got the guts to rebuild what they lost. They aren't waiting for the government to do it for them.

http://www.nola.com/abc26/video/?/abc26/video/content.ssf/1225cat”

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“It's a nice and quiet and safe neighborhood, and that's how I'd like to keep it," Galatas said. "I don't want my neighborhood ruined because theirs is."


Councilwoman Jacquelyn Brechtel Clarkson, whose district includes Algiers and the French Quarter, said she has fought for trailer parks in her district to be in locations that "don't intrude on our lifestyle."

When Nagin's list showed 1,000 trailers slated to be installed at Lakewood Country Club, a placement that drew the ire of many homeowners near the golf course, Clarkson said the club "was coming off that damn list."

"Compassion is all right, but compassion can't be at the expense of my property"”

“fuc em. put the trailers ON the golf courses. enormous waste of space anyway

i understand that there are legitimate concerns, but alot of it just sounds like NIMBY whining”

“"I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?"

Rodney Dangerfield
'Al Czervik'
Caddyshack (1980)”

“Hey NS just put in a bogus zip code, gender and birthdate and you get into the site.”

“Just tell 'em you're a 39-year-old albino hypnotherapist with a wooden leg.... [VBG]”

“Hey Bateauxdriver, have you heard anything about the watermelons growing all over St. Bernard parish? It's been on the national news lately. Thousands of watermelons, growing everywhere.”

“Sorry, I refuse to lie. But thanks for the suggestion.”

“Didn't see any watermellons but I did pick some great oranges that were not killed by the flood. I'm sure all kinds of seeds were broadcast around and rooted in the silt. I don't know if I would eat the produce just yet. I have been eating the fish, shrimp, oysters and crabs though. The New Orleans area has not had a frost on the ground yet this year so the plants will continue to grow. If you ever composte vegetables in your backyard you may have see germination as well. I've actually planted tomatoes by eating them first. Revisited a campsite a few months later and holy cow fresh tomatoes in the woods!”

“Who knows this mans story. Mabye he was a career criminal maybe he was just a man who had lost everything and just snapped. I do believe he had decided to go down by suicide by cop. Maybe the cops are justified maybe not. I know if I were threated as a civilian I would have shot him. Cops are held to a higher standard do to their training. Where were the tazers? The video released only shows him waving the knife not the actual shooting.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/videolineups/index.html?SITE=KREM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&videoName=1226dv_nola_police_shooting”

“I haven't read this thread, but if no one has said it yet, they should get a new mayor.”

“In rhetrospect it seems pretty clear that this is an example of the failures of liberalism. We have a democrat state, a democrat mayor. They had the perfect opportunity to show how liberals get things done. They failed and of course the first thing they do is blame Bush. Typical.

I was reading about the history of the Chicago Fire and was amazed. Do you know how much federal support they got? None other than keeping the peace. Non federal leaders started an organization to handle the distribution of the charitable funds that poured in from around the country. They stated that every man woman and half grown boy had a job in the rebuilding. No matter what you could or could not do you had a job in some capacity. They went on to state that if you did not work, you were to leave. Further the people of Chicago was encouraged to NOT help those who were not contributing to their own circumstances.

They rebuilt an entire city with out any help from the feds. Amazing!”

“Nigal, I agree with you 100% on the fact that New Orleans should be rebuilt with the sweat of its residents. Federal help is a must but the blood and sweat labor should be done by those that intend to stay there. A pioneer spirt is what could make this terrible situation into something lasting and postive.

Now, let me correct you on most of your statements that were mostly incorrect. I don't think it is your fault you are simply misinformed by the national media.

For starters Louisiana is a RED state. Bush won here in 2000 and 2004.

Governor Blanco is a Democrat and in my opinion not up to the task as governor. (So we agree here)

Mayor Ray Nagin is a Democrat and very qualified Mayor. He is a conservative and he supported Republican Congressman Bobby Jindal over Governor Blanco in the last Governors race. I also supported Bobby Jindal. Unfortunately many white conservatives in Louisiana are still racist to the core and decided not to support Republican candidate Jindal. Bobby was born and raised right here in Louisiana but his family comes from India. Nagin caught hell in Democrat controlled New Orleans but he supported who he thought was best for our state not who he thought would help him in local politics.
Mayor Ray Nagin hit the ground running when he took office a few years ago. The first thing he did was fire hundreds of good old boy dead heads that were part of the corrupt political machine for years. Over one hundred people were arrest for fraud, theft etc. by the time Nagin's house cleaning was done. The city had become cleaner and the downtown was undergoing a rebirth with new business. In August of 2005 Nagin was faced with a burden of unsurmountable proportions. His decisions were not perfect but they were as good as anyone could have done. His warnings and plans resulted in almost 90% of the New Orleans metro area evacuating. How many major US cities prior to Katrina had evacuated that percentage of their total population? Not New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Saint Louis, Houston or even Miami. New Orleans lacks mass transit and is the unfortunate victim of almost annual evacuations from the BIG ONE. The big one kept missing and New Orleans remained intact. Finally the big one wasn't going to miss. It takes 72 hours to evacuate New Orleans. There are no land access points to evacuate through. All highways are elevated above water. There point where evacuations must end and those elevated highways be closed. Interstate 10 a major evacuation route was lost in the storm. Have you ever seen a million plus people evacuating on clogged roads Nigal? It is a nightmare. Broken down cars, heat approaching 100 degrees. Limited supplies of food and water. Worries and depression while hoping you are doing this all for nothing. Still a minority of residents never leave. For the last 10 evacuations they were right and went on believing they would always be right. I had relatives that felt that way. Most survived after the most horrific ordeal of their lives. Two distant relatives of mine did not survive. The decided to stay and drowned in their homes. Their death is not Nagin, Blanco or Bush's fault it is their own, they owned a car.

Days before the storm hit FEMA was put on notice by the White House. The president activated FEMA on August 26, 2005. LINK

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html

FEMA did nothing here pre Katrina. Not one truck with fuel, food, medical supplies, bus, ship, plane, train or rowboat was sent to help. Aid arrived only after the crisis and embrassment of the White House by Mayor Nagin prompted action. Mayor Nagin called Bush out after the famous Airforce One flyover. The disgraced Bush was forced to appear in person to save face. Eventually even Blanco grew some nads and pressed Bush to send home the Louisiana National Guards troops from Iraq. The largest and most capable units of the Lousiana Nation Guard were in Iraq, which limited Blanco and Nagin even more. The troops were sent home to protect their own homes and famlies which is where they belonged in the first place.
last edited: 12/29/05 7:34:45 PM”

“but but but its the liberals fault, it has to be, and and and and im from ohio, where we know all about evacuation, cuz one time a storm was coming and we had to evacuate all the chickens and cows from the farm, and besides, you dont know what youre talking about, your name sounds suspiciously frenchy, you cheesy surrender monkey”

“I never said it was all their fault Crash. I stated they had the chance to show what they could do and they didn't.”

“Saw a Tshirt sold in the French Quarter today. It said:

I stayed in New Orleans during Katrina and all I got was this lousy Tshirt and a new Cadillic and a new Plasma TV!

LOL”

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....get out, you live below sea level!”

“get out, you live below sea level!”
TrailKicker67
3:33:48 PM
1/23/06

wow, really, sure glad someone told them that”

“....they were told, they just didn't listen. Mother Nature gave them a not so gentle reminder, too bad they're still not listening.”

“Anyone see the show on the weather channel about the effect of a direct hit from a Cat 3 on NYC. The expected damage to the city would make the damage to NO from Katrina look like nothing.”

“I saw that. I never knew that NYC had been hit before by a hurricane, I didn't think they made it up that far. It was pretty interesting to see what could happen and how far the water would go inland.
last edited: 1/23/06 4:44:01 PM”

“It hasn't happened yet, not directly anyway, but the entire Atlantic coast has some threat. When I was a kid I went to Prince Edward Island up in the Gulf of the St Lawrence and it was hit by a hurricane when I was there. We basically had only a few hours warning before the storm hit (not anywhere near enough time to get off the island via the ferry). We had to wait it out in my aunt and uncles one room cabin. Fortunately the storm lost a lot of power and I think it was downgraded to a tropical storm when it finally hit. I also remember when Hurricane Bob hit southern Maine. I had relatives vacationing up there and they had to evacuate the coast. The northeastern states do get hit by hurricanes, but not as frequently as the southern states do.”

“You know, I never would have thought that the northeast would be hit by a hurricane, but it is. I also thought it was rather interesting about how they were talking about the right angle the land forms and how devastating the storm surge would become as it is magnified by the geography of the area. You're right, a disaster waiting to happen.”

“There are hazardous places to live all over the U.S. In WA, we have areas where rivers tend to overflow and people still live there and get their houses ruined every few years. The same goes for the people in hurricane alley in Kansas. You always think, why do people live there or stay there?”

““Stupidity is better kept a secret than displayed.” —Heraclitus of Ephesus”

“LOL, surely she meant tornado alley.”

“I've had school cancelled growing up in PA because of hurricanes.”

“kansas is the number one producer of land-locked hurricanes”

“State not ready to pay FEMA bill
It wants to review list of charges first

Tuesday, January 24, 2006
By Jan Moller
Capital bureau
BATON ROUGE -- A week before Louisiana's $156 million bill from the federal government comes due, state officials said Monday that they have no intention of paying until they get more documentation.

The bill from the Federal Emergency Management Agency arrived Dec. 29 and represents the state's share of the recovery costs for Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. It gave the state 30 days to pay or face penalties and interest charges added to the amount. Although some of these costs are covered 100 percent by the federal government, other programs require the state to pay up to 25 percent of the cost. Although President Bush has the power to waive certain cost-share requirements, only Congress can change a legal provision that says states are responsible for 25 percent of the costs of assistance to individuals.

The state's $156 million bill already represents the largest FEMA has ever issued. The final tab is expected to top $1 billion.

Well, what are you going to do if we don't pay up? Reposess New Orleans, fine you can have it!
Bateaux”

“The time to draw the line is near. Some areas of south Louisiana just cannot be protected against a Katrina like storm. The current Corps price tag of $190,000 per person is beyound belief. The time for relocation to higher ground is now!!!

Bateaux


Saturday, April 01, 2006
By Bruce Alpert and Allen Powell II
Staff writers


More than $190,000 per person.
That's how much the Army Corps of Engineers now says it will cost to protect the 14,795 residents of Plaquemines Parish excluding Belle Chasse against a flood with a 1 percent chance of occurring in any single year -- the government standard for protection against a Katrina-like or stronger hurricane.

Under the new corps cost projections, an additional $6 billion is needed on top of the $3.5 billion the Bush administration has already requested for hurricane protection for the New Orleans area. Of the additional $6 billion, it will cost nearly as much to upgrade levees in Plaquemines as would be spent on protecting the entire remaining New Orleans area -- about 1 million people, or 98.6 percent of the local population. The total would be $9.5 billion for the region, nearly triple what the Bush administration has requested.

Even in fast-spending Washington, numbers like that cause double takes -- and major political problems for the state's congressional members. After being briefed on the new estimates this week, Louisiana members urged President Bush to immediately request the additional $6 billion the corps said is needed to enable residents and businesses to rebuild without having to elevate their homes and businesses 15 feet or more to meet federal flood insurance standards.

Of that $6 billion, the corps estimates that $2.9 billion would be needed to protect Plaquemines.”

“http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4860002

Former Orleans prosecutor found guilty in Rape case


NEW ORLEANS, La. -- A federal jury found former New Orleans Municipal Court prosecutor Henry Dillon III guilty of violating the civil rights of two women who said Dillon raped them in 2004.


Thursday's verdict came after more than two days of deliberations. Dillon faces a possible sentence of life in prison. The sentencing hearing is set for Aug. 3.

According to prosecutors, Dillon lured the victims to his private office after meeting them in court and telling each that they needed to visit his office on court business. "Once inside his office, he forcibly raped each victim," U.S. Attorney Jim Letten said.

Dillon admitted having sex with both of his accusers, but maintained that it was consensual.

Dillon was charged with assaults that occurred on Jan. 15 and Nov. 30, 2004.

Letten said the jury found Dillon guilty of "deprivation of rights under color of law" with special findings that the crimes involved aggravated sexual abuse.


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And yes Sports Fans, he's a Democrat, but you will not see that in the 'news'.”

“I followed a brand new white saturn vue, stickers still in the window and a florida temporary tag. They already had one of those ribbon stickers in green, gold and purple (mardi gras colors) that said "Katrina Survivor." I was a little put off by this.”

“LOL...Charleston gets hit by a hurricane....Mayor Riley - WE WILL COME BACK.

New York suffers the Loving Islamic Religion attack - Mayor Guliani - WE ARE BACK.

New Orleans suffers the worst hurricane in history, due to incompetence (and politicization) of elected officials it is made worse Mayor Nagin _WE DEAD, NEW ORLEANS IS GONE....BOO HOO HOO>...WE NEED FREE MONEY FROM EVERYONE.”