Global Warming

“I saw several global warming threads, but none were fuego, so here you go ...

I was listening to Hannity on the radio and he had some important global warming apologist on (I forget his name), and he said that hurricanes were stronger (not more frequent) because the ocean water is warmer.

I cannot find average global temperature changes for the Atlantic (or any) ocean.

Does anybody know these figures?

My understanding is that overall global temperature raise in the last 50-100 years is not much (less than a degree), and I assume it takes longer to warm a large body of water than air, so I'm wondering what percent of a degree ocean water has to rise before hurricane strength becomes noticeable (1 and 2 categories) higher?

His whole argument was dependent on this fact, but unfortunately I see nothing to support this.

I admit it might be out there, so I need help.

Thanks.”

“His whole argument was dependent on this fact, but unfortunately I see nothing to support this.


Maybe creationism has something to do with it then.”

“I just found it. Never mind.

In 50 years it's gone up .067 degrees F.

I wonder if that can cause a hurricane to go from cat 3 to cat 5?

I guess if the temp goes up a whole degree will have cat 20 hurricanes.

Wow!”

“Hell, everybody knows the big hurricanes are just god punishing fags.”

“To be fair, I should have said the margin of error was .003 F, so it might have risen as much as .07 degrees in the last 50 years.”

““Hell, everybody knows the big hurricanes are just god punishing fags.”
Buddha Bear
3:41:28 PM
9/28/05
ignore this user

Really. I thought it was god punishing those that support abortions.”

“Then again, the sun has risen the earth's temperature more than that in 50 years, so really maybe we're actually cooling the ocean temperature with our human destructiveness??”

“nonononono lumberzac! it's mainly fags, and if a few abortion types get caught up, it's no big deal. god doesn't sell abortion supporter free, fag hurricane killers, like Chicken of the Sea has dolphin-free tuna. Get your creationism straight son!”

“Both Katrina and Rita exploded into Cat 5 storms when they passed over the loop current in the eastern Gulf of Mexico and fell back to Cat 4 when they moved over cooler waters.

We are in a very active part of the tropical cyclone cycle now - have been since the mid-1990s. From the mid-1970s to the mid-1990s we were in a relatively inactive part of the cycle.

I gave these figures somewhere else, but the barometric pressure at the height of Rita was 897 mb- 3rd lowest pressure, after Gilbert in 1988 (888 mb) and the Labor Day Storm of 1935 (892 mb). Gilbert, for what it's worth, came during a relatively inactive part of the cycle. The Labor Day storm of 1935 was 70 years ago, when global warming was just getting underway.

The cycles are part of the global ocean current situation. The only relation to global warming is that tropical cyclones will eventually be influenced by warmer ocean temperatures. That is only simple physics. But we cannot point to weather anomalies currently taking place and say they are caused by global warming anymore than we could point to record lows in winter and say they are evidence of another ice age. Weather does hit extremes.

Records for tropical storms do not even go back 100 years, so we really can't compare what is happening now to much of a historical record. To say a storm is more severe, the question is more severe than what?

With modern infrastructure, and with a levee system that is a b@st@rd stepchild, the damage done to New Orleans is more severe than anything since the San Francisco earthquake in terms of area affected. But the Galveston storm of 1900 may have been just as severe. At that time, Galveston was a smaller town.”

“I'll bet Galveston was full of them fags in 1900. It's true, look it up here: The True Majority”

“Dang Sarge! It's almost like you have all the answers before the questions asked! You are so right again! :)”

“BTW - Global Warming is currently caused by the huge burst of fuel from hell after Rehnquist died.”

“I gotta call foul here dude. The Liberal Sarge would not say that because admitting a hell would mean admitting there's a god. Liberasl Sarge is a firm atheist. Please try to keep in character Sarge. :)”

“Pardon me while I go off and do my party for the hole in the ozone. Gotta mow the grass!”

“Nigal, two corrections. I am not sarge or s_rge. I'm sorry you (and others) believe that, but it's not so. And I am not a liberal so I wouldn't be Sarge anyways. Why would anyone think I'm a Liberal Sarge, as you call him? I consider myself pretty centrist, but with a strong right leaning. There are some liberals in the Libertarian party though, so maybe that's where you got thrown off.

Also, I think you were joking because you put a :), but I really did not know the answer before I posted it.”

“Sorry Mountainpeak, I wasn't talking to you. Buddha is the Liberal Sarge as he is always right and the world is always wrong. Sorry for the confusion.”

“How many pepsi stoves to raise the oceans 1*fahryheit”

“it takes 840btu to raise one lb water 1degree fahrenheit. One gallon is about 8lbs, thats 8x840btu x how many bazillion gallons of water?”

“Stovestomper better get cracking with making those stoves.”

“"How Stuff Works" says there is about 326,000,000,000,000,000,000 gallons of water.

What is 6720 x 326,000,000,000,000,000,000 gallons?

calc.exe gets 2,190,720,000,000,000,000,000,000.

That's about 2 septillion btus.

The stoves are rated about 4800 btu/hour ... that's how many stoves?

Who can finish the math?”

“I have no pepsi cans ,but a septillion empty Coors is easy.”

“Mountain - I think Nigal was calling Buddha Bear Sarge.”

“Mountainpeak:

Looking at Hurricane strength charts I over the decades, I see no reason to think global warming is a primary factor in increasing hurricane strength.

In terms of your statistics, first I see a figure of .06 C not F... still not enough to have much impact. But secondly this is for the whole ocean, not for the surface and it would be the surface temps that would effect hurricane strength, not temperatures at any depth. That said, I'm still looking for data on surface temps.”

“I hate it when mom & dad fight.”

“Here's a report on a study that linked global warming to hurricane strength and duration that came out in July 2005, butit still doesn't givethe key data.

http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/ap_050731_hurricanes_stronger.html”

“this is the weakest fuego thread eve”

“pedxing, they are F, not C pedxing. The stats I found were in C but I converted them into F. The C numbers would be less. Sorry.

Actually, the stats are provided were surface temps, sorry again. They provided meansurements by depth and by ocean and by all bodies, so I provided surface data for whole ocean. Hate to bust your bubble.”

“We take all kinds of pills
That give us all kinds of thrills
But the thrill we've never known”

“Your momma must be proud lonesurveyor. Good job.”

“Well mountain - I guess we saw different estimates. Either way though, the difference isn't that important. The stats I saw were significantly higher for surface temp - but still less than one degree.

Do you have a source for your stats?”

“The weather that might result from the forecasted global warming

might surprise many

even though it might be a natural cycle

possibly/probably accentuated by human activities.

Strange trip may be in store.”

“Chamber of Commerce puts Ocean temp increase at .6 degrees Centigrade for the past century. The rate in the past 25 years has increased to .15 degrees Centigrade per decade for combined land and ocean and it looks like ocean temp changes are in line with that.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/trends.html
last edited: 9/28/05 7:58:45 PM”

“pedxing, the stats I use go to a deeper depth. Also, my stats are for 50 years, not 100 like yours.”

“Whatever. It seems we agree it's insignificant and we both seem to agree that the change doesn't affect hurricane strength. Why are we fighting? Where's the love?

The bottom line is this guy on the show was spewing nonsense. It's too bad because I think we need to take a serious look at the damage we cause to the environment before we do harm. It's stuff like this that gets in the way and destroys the credibility of the fight.”

“To damper his argument even more, if you subtract global increases due to recent solar activity, I'm sure you'd get a much lesser number than the insignificant one we have. As I pointed out in another thread, NASA has said that Mars temps are rising dramatically, and of course they don't have humans to do it. Mars' atmosphere is less than ours, but it's also much more distant from the sun.”

“I ain't fighting Mountain - just trying to get clear picture and exchange some info.”

“My stats are about this long and this big around.”

“but, but, but....Y2 said the hurrycanes were becauze of global warming! Y2 is my hero!”

“my 840 btu was wrong, thats for ice. For water it is 144btu per lb.”

“That doesn't surprise me Muttley, you need someone to look up to.”

“Back off Y2. Muttonhead looks up to me.”

“The ice in our world cooler is melting. Soon, all the beer will be warm.





Hopefully Chili will now take action!
last edited: 9/29/05 10:48:50 AM”

“air, earth, fire and water. all have lived peacefully until human beings began to disturb them with gear, gaffs, gas and gizmos. she is infuriated with us! it is time to breathe the air, feel the earth amidst our toes, to respect the fire, and to consummate the nourishment of the water. we are her children, not her foe. while we bicker over her vitals she becomes ill. it is because of men's lack of love for one another and fear of an oedipus complex that we ignore the obvious. she needs us

"Nature is just enough; but men and women must comprehend and accept her suggestions." ~ Antoinette Brown Blackwell”

“Warmer water and less windshear will increase the likelyhood of hurricanes.

The question is what is causing global warming? Most likely just a natural cycle of nature. Is it just me or does less than one degree not seem incredibly stable?”

“Interesting article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051001/ap_on_sc/cycle_of_disaster”

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Double, double, toil and trouble;
Fire, burn; and caldron, bubble.



-you know who”

“there is a simple solution to stop the suffering of mother earth. we need to look to the supreme example of the navajo, cherokee, and our other indian friends. they never hurt her. we should return the earth back into their care. we have proven ourselves unworthy of her trust. she is leaving a trail of tears born out of sadness, and they can return her to peace

"Walk lightly in the spring; Mother Earth is pregnant." - Kiowa”

“moonglo are you serious?”