Global Warming

“What is the tonage of exahled carbon dioxide per human per year?

What is the estimated tonage of carbon dioxide that needs to be reduced to reverse global warming?

How many Humans need to go?”

“Population explosion is actually one of the root causes, nimrod. Not to spoil your joke...

Tens of thousands of years of human living we were always way below 1 billion until the 1800's. Then we hit 1 b around 1850,
2.5 b by 1950,
3 b by 1960,
4 b by 1975,
5 b by 1990,
6 b by 2000
6.5 b today.
7 b by 2010?

So the oldest generation (born in the 1920's or 30's) has seen it go from in the 1 billions to the 6 billions within their single lifetime.

What they breathe out isn't the biggest issue. What is the issue is all the coal and oil that increased population has burned in the last 80 years. That's where the biggest part of the extra CO2 comes from. Doesn't help that we keep chopping down all the CO2-depleting trees to make room for all the CO2-creating humans that have exploded everywhere.”

“So what happens when you disagree with the global warming establishment? You get your walking papers...

Oregon State Climatologist FIRED.”

“The left's new fascist religion isn't very tolerant, Nigal.”

“When you're too dumb to do your job, you get canned too. Is that Fascist?”

“No, most of the dumbest dumb asses get tenure.
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“Well I am sure Napoleon and Squealer could not have done better.”

“Its quaint to see right-wingers use the term "fascist".

Tee hee!!
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“So his job is just to blindly go with the consensus. Now that's good science!”

“If it fits, fool, use it.”

“Its quaint to see right-wingers use the term "fascist". - MarkD'oh

Why, when fascism was largely based in Leftist ideology?”

“Management's job is generally to come to a conclusion and lead a team in that direction. If there's a person on the team who just won't get in line, you let them go. That's the cold hard fact of the workplace.

It happens everyday in every profession.

I find it amazing that you guys don't already know that.”

“"Why, when fascism was largely based in Leftist ideology?"
MuttonHead

Franco, Mussolini etal were "leftists"???

So sayeth the non-backpacking pest with hundescheisse for brains.”

“Well, phaedrus, at least you're honest about politics being the major driver behind anthropogenic global warming, and not hard science.”

“Honest science research is blackballed in favor of promoting a "consensus" view.
That's fascism folks, pure intolerance, all pure speech codes.

Look who the Global 'leaders' are, Ted Turner and Al Gore.”

“I'm referring to Mussolini's ideologies mostly.

I'm sure I'm not the prolific backpacker, but I do get out most springs and falls, at least once.”

“The far left and far right do have some things in common, like totalitarian government and a lack of democratic process.

Fascism though does not demand economic equality, kinda like republicans.

Keep it in the middle of the road, Jack.”

“Middle of the road...yep thats where you find the Dead Possum.....

Face it Socialisim is Shared PAIN nothing more....”

““Well, phaedrus, at least you're honest about politics being the major driver behind anthropogenic global warming, and not hard science.”
Mutt
11:17:08 AM
2/08/07

I said nothing of the sort. I was referring to why a scientific team member might be fired from a job for refusing to believe one of the basic tenets of management's driving concepts.

He can find another job with a firm that is in the business of refuting global warming theories.”

“Phaed...I guess if you are building widgets I can see that...but if you are working with LIFE effecting policy (that is not exact by any stretch) I would hope some dissention would be accepted. Its this little thing called the Scientific Method. It encourages you to test and retest theories.”

“I said nothing of the sort. - Phaedrus

Don't worry, indirectly your statements speak loudly. Global Warming cultists start with a conclusion and force data to fit it. Don't agree with that kind of "science"? Then you're a nutcase who can't see the "common sense" fact that humans cause global warming and you should be fired.”

“So, anyone here have any ideas about controlling the root cause of many of our problems - population?”

“Don't worry, indirectly your statements speak loudly. Global Warming cultists start with a conclusion and force data to fit it. Don't agree with that kind of "science"? Then you're a nutcase who can't see the "common sense" fact that humans cause global warming and you should be fired.

And so tell me then, Mutt, what do I believe? Apparently, you're able to read perfectly into my words. Where do I stand on the global warming debate?”

“You do a pretty good job of making sure no one knows where you stand on any debate.”

“I would have to disagree with that altogether and say it's an unfounded accusation.”

“The news just keeps getting funnier. I mean, who falls for their nonsense anyway? Does anyone really believe it’s a good idea to let journalists educate us about science? Apparently so…


I’m watching the news and the anchor is reporting a story about extremely cold weather occurring in the upper mid-west. He says, “Does this disprove Global Warming? No, global warming predicts erratic weather patterns.”

So what he’s saying is that ANY weather we experience can’t disprove the idea of “man-made global warming.”




I just love these faith-based scientific minds: Scientific method, what scientific method? We can't let our feelings be confused by contradictory facts.

The Luddites got nothing on them.
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“yeah, I have to agree with stickmanwalking. Phaedrus, I simply assumed you were just lobbing a soft-ball for some sap like me to hit. But maybe you are that dumb? I don't know.”

“I think what we need to learn from this is that...noone really knows for sure so we need to be extremely careful about letting the few make the laws for the many.

Envionmentalisim is a Religion (mostly built on "faith" and "Consensus") it should be treated no differently. If the Reverend Bubba wanted to make us all become Full Gospel Primative Baptists in order to ensure that the world would not end in 20 years, I can bet the loons on the left would be screaming like heck.

Strangely though when we hear similar claims from the Wahabbists no one on the left seems to think it is a danger.”

“Oh geez, the Global Warming Goobers are back.”

“If you poke the bushes for snakes, use a long stick.”

“Strangely enough you people are proof enough why global warming is nothing but a pointless debate...

Assume for a split second that there was absolute proof that humans were causing global warming. What next? Nothing but endless political arguments over grandiose plans that will never work.

Back to reality. In order to get real results each problem needs a separate and personal solution. We have to offer a viable replacement for things like gasoline. We have to offer solutions to power homes that are cost effective to the average person. No one will care about Co2 causing global warming But they do care about breathing clean air.

Fortunately Im a bit of a pessimist and realise we will screw our selves in the end.... heres why.

lets say there are ten people sharing the last barrel of oil... it will last the winter only if each one limits themselves to 1 cup of oil a day. Sounds reasonable but thats not what will happen. In fact it is unlikely the barrel will last long at all. It is in our nature to be selfish and greedy. oddly enough it is also logical. as a group we can reason to share the barrel but as individuals it is in our own self interest to take as much as we can get away with.

all this debate does is take money and material away from legitimate research and progress.”

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“Ok, so no one wants to touch the population issue?”

“The world over-population of people is no longer a debate except for the Quiverfulls who are determined to have as many children as they can and people like XL who once stated he knows of no reason why the world population can not grow to 50 billion people.

Almost everyone admits the problem but few know what to do about it.

The population explosion has already occurred and in a worse way than many might have imagined 50 or 100 years ago for with the ephemeral 'green revolution' human numbers have reached unimaginable levels with the effects like human caused climate change now to plague everyone alive for the foreseeable future.
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“At least the general consensus is the population will stabilize around 9 billion, and we'll be there soon. I haven't read up on that so I don't know the reasons for that exact number.”

“If we just parked all of Toyotas' hybid production along the borders with the keys in them, we'd save so much energy that the oil barrons would be comming here too.”

“9 billion, well, that doesn't sound like many does it?

Only about 30 times the number that was fairly stable during the first 3/4trs. of the last 2000 years and that number, about a third of a billion, could be considered the optimum number of people in this world.
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“My hands are so full of blisters from digging a 29 person ditch, I can't pull the trigger.”

“hillsidedigger - not saying its a good number, I made the point in a post yesterday on this thread that we've gone from 1 billion to over 6 billion in one lifetime.

One. When it took tens of thousands of generations to get to 1 billion. The reason is coal and oil. If we don't come up with good solutions for oil and gas (they will be gone very soon) then we'll be in for a nasty population implosion when no one can get any food...”

“just lean on the shovel for a moment salebored and I will take care of it for you :}”

“ALLRIGHT!!!! we have slipped to the old "Overpopulation" line (1968)...this is great...hey give Paul Ehrlich a call I think he bet one of the economists that the population bomb would create a shortage and sky high prices in 10 top resources....um he lost but like a good libbie he NEVER PAID.

Come on guys, are you going through the "Chicken Little" book of forgotten boogeymen today?

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“XL - actuall they were right... we are in the overshoot phase right now. Unless we find a way to vastly extend our resources there will be a die off. At this point its when,not if.”

“There are as many people in North America today as there were in the entire world just 2000 years ago (around 300-350 million). Meanwhile we are tapping into deep aquifers that are dropping in level every year instead of rising because we use more than what can go down through the soil. Oh, and we mostly use coal, gas and oil power to pump that water to the surface.

It will be a race between which runs out first - water, oil, gas, or coal.

Ignoring the later 3 running out some time between 2020 and 2200, I think water will be first big worldwide crisis. Lowering the world population will prevent that crisis.”

“Okay I want to play

Okay guys we are facing two DISASTERS OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS...

on September 9, 1999 the computers will read this as 9999 and SHUT DOWN...yep...wait..oh sorry computers read that date as 090999....but it still could happen.

Then on December 31, 1999 the world will blow up unless the United States stops all production, we sell our cars and houses and adopt a third world mentality....JEEZE...that didn't happen either....(LOL)”

“It's much BIGGER than that XL. To quote the libbies: "Wake up!"


According to my paper we've got an ENERGY CRISIS!

Are we through with the HOUSING CRISIS?

What about the ECONOMIC CRISIS?

Isn't there a HEALTHCARE CRISIS?

And what about our SOCIAL SECURITY CRISIS?


By God man, it never ends! We've got to keep having at least one CRISIS or people won't buy newspapers or listen to the news. WAKE UP!”

“Are do you remember the Crisises of the 1990's

The CHURCH ARSON CRISIS...nope...turns out there were nothing in comparison

THE HEALTH CARE CRISIS...nope but we did manage to screw up insurance more than ever before

The Free Speech Crisis....there were too many people telling the American Citizens how corrupt the CLEENTONS were.

etc etc....

I will tell you what we have

A shortage of RESPONSIBILITY

and a Shortage of TOUGHNESS>”

“Wait, Arclite, I thought the media did that because they were liberal and trying to push an agenda?

Now you're talking about selling newspapers?

Well, which is it?”

“Oh, and Mutt, your trolling technique is a little stale. You'll have to try harder.”

“DOH! Did IQs suddenly drop around here? Oh yeah, our favorite psychotic motorcycle mechanic is asking questions.

Nothing sells propaganda like a CRISIS. What really stirred the German masses was the thought that if the Nazis hadn't killed off all those Jews they would have had a genetic purity CRISIS.

The Mullahs and Imams are pushing the idea of a crusader CRISIS.

Nothing stirs the masses to action, any action, like a CRISIS. It fosters emotional angst. And nothing stirs up what the lefties take for thinking like strong emotions.

Are you just talking to hear yourself make what you believe are clever comments, or does this train of thought escape you as well?




One of the funniest things I've seen in a long, long time was Pedxing responding to a post of mine where he said (and I may be inexact in my quote), "We've got to do our own thinking."

If I had been drinking anything, I would have spit it out my nose.”

“We agree on the crisis point.

Look at the Bush administration's use of doomsday imagery for the lead up to Iraq for a prime example.

Funny how the media were very happy to get in line behind that particular crisis, liberal bias and all... It's almost like the crisis is the all-important selling point and the bias doesn't really make a difference unless you're unable to see past it.

Of course, the bias toward or against global warming should be an interesting sell coming from you. I've got my popcorn.”