Global Warming

“your right XL... since people arent dying or starving YET I guess it really is not a crisis. It certainly does not FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL like a virgin, er crisis i mean.

PS wheres ostrich boy when you need him?”

“Then, since you're obviously taking the day off, you'll need a brother trained monkey for your entertainment, Phaedrus. Where's Y2? His grasp of information and problem solving rivals your own.”

“"DOH! Did IQs suddenly drop around here?"

Oh, now that was a good Sigourney Weaver!

”

“If Dumbya were only as smart as that character.”

“So, anyone here have any ideas about controlling the root cause of many of our problems - population?”
techntrek
4:12:04 PM
2/08/07


I would think that (since the human population is the problem) the hardcore Global Warming crowd MUST be lining up to off themselves first. I mean after all, one couldn't do one's part much more than that, right? Or should someone else have to do it first?

Hey, if you want to save us all, go ahead.”

“...you think posting the same old joke from your right-wing blogs - it's cold..... global warming.... he he he - is funny....”
Y2
1:03:16 PM
2/05/07


I'll tell you what's funny:

Warmer than average? Global Warming.
Colder than average? Global Warming.
More rain than average? Global Warming.
Less rain than average? Global Warming.
More hurricanes than average? Global Warming.
Less hurricanes than the rabid Global Warming crowd predicted a year ago? Global Warming.
Panties in a wad? Global Warming.

Yada freaking yada.


PS: not solely directed at Y2 ;)”

“People are 'dying yet'. Look around.”

“"I would think that (since the human population is the problem)the hardcore Global Warming crowd MUST be lining up to off themselves first."
NC

Why do some people suggest something as inane as this when over population is cited as a problem?
It is to suggest that those who want to solve this obvious problem are "wannabe murderers".

A joke??

Or, would you rather ignore the problem and let the next generation, your kid, solve it?
Put the responsibility on someone else?”

“Naw, It will become the real dividing line between those that have and those that need a burial.....”

“The tribal wisdom of the Lakota Sioux, passed on from generation to generation, says: “When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, you should dismount.” However, in government, more advanced strategies are often employed, such as:
1. Buy a stronger whip.

2. Change riders.

3. Appoint a committee to study the horse.

4. Arrange to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride dead horses.

5. Lower the standards to include dead horses.

6. Reclassify the dead horse as living-impaired.

7. Hire outside contractors to ride the dead horse.

8. Harness several dead horses together to increase speed.

9. Provide additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse’s performance.

10. Do a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse’s performance.

11. Declare that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, costs less, and has lower overhead, it contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do other horses.

12. Rewrite the performance requirements for all horses.

And of course...

13. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.”

“Jack , can you ,as I, hear the rustling wing feathers of the great Thunderbird?”

“The "great" thunderbird is a wine, is it not? Momentarily I have flown on it, but inevitably crashed and burned.”

“White man drink with forked tongue.”

“Tbird okay but Mad Dog 20/20...

Or were we referencing Quetzalcoatl?”

“MD20/20 bottle fit in old mans' hand like young squaw breast”

“Contrary to what some people might think, climatologists, atmospheric physicists, et al DO include solar activity in all of there models. It is, after all, the prime power source for the entire system. How could they not?

Hint: the 'radiation' referred to in "Climate and Radiation Branch" is solar radiation.”

“SB is in low earth orbit today --- LOL”

“The fossil smoke screen of 'global warming'is simply an abstraction to include more variables in quest of belittling the obvious.”

“Climate change is nonsense.

After all, God's in charge.”

“Sun screen no worky on China rocket.”

“Why do some people suggest something as inane as this when over population is cited as a problem?
It is to suggest that those who want to solve this obvious problem are "wannabe murderers".

A joke??

Or, would you rather ignore the problem and let the next generation, your kid, solve it?
Put the responsibility on someone else?”
MarkO
10:41:45 PM
2/10/07


Uh, I think that's the root of the thread: is there a problem? Says who? Why are they to be believed more than those who say there is no problem?

Show me ten who say there is a problem, I'll show you ten who say there isn't.

Joke? Of course it was, but I like to point out absurdity by being absurd. So, if population is the problem, tell me the solution without pointing to what others should do first.”

“Well that's the issue NC - You'd find ten climatologists saying there is a problem, and only one saying there isn't. There IS a consensus as far as you can have one.

Personally I don't know if it's happening on not, but taking action to reduce fossil fuel consumption, finding new sources of energy and generally being more economical with energy usage is a winner for America and the world on so many fronts - health, security, economics - that it seems stupid to be bickering over the details and dong nothing. Unless America breaks it's reliance on oil it will be the cause of the next war, or the one after that.”

“thread degeneration alert:

China rocket not likely to have radar reflector attached --- Shop Mal-Wart!”

“Well I'm not sure what a climatologist is or how long they've been around or even if climatology is science, but I know one thing: consensus does not necesarily equal fact or science.

I'm with you: there's nothing wrong with "doing our part" or finding alternative energies---that's great. I just find the whole chicken little routine old. Its (environmentalism) very much a religion for some people these days.”

“http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1363818.ece

Everyday you can find more and more people coming around to the obvious conclusion on global warming that anyone who doesn't worship at the altar of the evil CO2 will come to... The gigantic nuclear furnace in the sky is chiefly responsible (as it has been throughout earth's history of climate change, try to remember the climate has continually changed for millions of years without any interference from human beings, Yes that's right folks the climate has warmed up much more in the past without us managing to put any gases into the atmosphere, it was much warmer in during the medieval warming that it is now and nobody was driving an SUV back then.)”

“Joke? Of course it was, but I like to point out absurdity by being absurd. So, if population is the problem, tell me the solution without pointing to what others should do first.”
Nonconformist
8:15:51 PM
2/11/07

I was talkin' about over-population.
Solution to over-population??
There are many fronts on which over-population can be addressed.
1.One can start by handing out RUBBERS!!
And that will address more than just over-population......AIDS, etc
2.Education
3.Economic justice
4.Liberation of women from being breeders in mankind's more primitive cultures.

The notion that "environmentalism is a religion" is absurd.
That's what the right-wing propagandists are handing out these days and its, as usual, nonsense......a smoke screen.
I remember hearing Lush Rimbaugh saying that, "environmentalism is the last refuge of communists".....purely laughable.”

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“wouldn't it be easier to just let aids deal with the problem?

:}”

“LOL..lets see if you follow the leftist "consensus science" (marky mark you know that is what it is) we have no choice but to revert to a third world society...HMMM third world society...lets see..OH YEAH like the one preached by the Islamo Fascists...so lets see what we have here...

1.One can start by handing out RUBBERS!!
And that will address more than just over-population......AIDS, etc Of course Marky Mark...that will go over big time with the Execution squad....(LOL)

2.Education...how bout where they are burning schools and murdering children when the school is not a true islamist school?
3.Economic justice -(LOL)like the justice in Saudi Arabia or other third world S-holes.
4.Liberation of women from being breeders in mankind's more primitive cultures. (PLEASE SHOW ME A THIRD WORLD SOCIETY where this happens)_

The truth is that MODERN FIRST WORLD DEMOCRACIES is the ONLY Place where this can take place. Therefore you have just answered your own argument by saying you are a blithering blind idiot.

Hey lets, just for fun, start the HALL OF CONSENSUS SCIENCE...I bet the Salem Witch Trials will be in there....”

“XL Ky Duh, someone asked what can be done.

Whether or not it will be done, I cannot say.

I merely answered a question and there you go blathering on like the burnt-out debris that you are.

Try to get some sleep and leave the pills alone.”

“The parasite language, which now has infested human beings, created a need for ambassadors to serve a spokesman for 'mother nature', that communication to the different groups infested by different strains of the parasite could try to interact. She (MN) named them 'God'and since has had hothing but trouble with these unruly mavericks.
Within the above, some hard headed individuals just could never get the hang of this god thing , so, still take their worship directly to the source(MN). Can those few be the very ones that you all call 'whackos'??
Many of have already seen, that the left side of this keyboard is like a new puppy to me , it just seems to go where ever it wants.
last edited: 2/12/07 8:41:24 AM”

“LOL..years ago the Global Warming Loons had an idea to reduce Methane (big By Product of CATTLE and the EEEVIL MEAT INDUSTRY)..they had two choices to reduce Cattle.

1. Distribute Condoms for the Bulls
2. Put Birth Control pills in the Cattle feed for the cows.

The decided on the Condoms because birth control pills would make the Cows stop lactating and render them ...(wait for it)....Utterly Useless.


(LOL)

HEY found a photo of your boss going to work




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“Oh dear, I think I'm gonna go cry.
You so mean!”

“"I merely answered a question and there you go blathering on like the burnt-out debris that you are. Try to get some sleep and leave the pills alone." - MarkO

You had me rolling with that one, MarkO! Any idea why this subject draws out people that can't speak proper English? Two of them on this page alone...”

“Same pigeons, same food, same mess.”

“So XL - you'd rather ignore the benefits of weaning America off the Middle-Eastern, Venezuellan, Nigerian and Russian oil just so you wouldn't have to agree with anyone who cares about the planet.

You're hatred of anything you view as being leftist outweighs your concern and love for America.”

“Maybe our dear friend XL is just a material girl livin' in a material world.

Hey TechN, I like this game and XL is a pretty good sport.”

“If the teams of horses
that should plow the fields
play 'tug of war' allday
an empty table
without a bite
is the price all will pay”

“Marvin is manifesting again....”

“Allergies restrict me from most gardens, but ofcourse, the haunt of the smokable varieties.”

“LOL..Tech I totally agree on weaning ourselves from Foriegn Sources...however the very people calling for that REFUSE to allow us to seek Oil in our own areas. ANWR (specifically designated for Oil searches) off shore in the Gulf, off Florida...sorry but this sounds like the "There is no negotiation" that we have come to see repeated time after time.

Now the whole issue is not GLOBAL WARMING (musical support here) it is OIL...hmmmmm...

Does this mean that maybe even you admit the purpose is not to "SAVE THE PLANET" but rather...attack the successful?”

“Feb. 12, 2007

Grey Hautaluoma
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-0668

Leslie McCarthy
Goddard Institute for Space Studies, New York
212-678-5507

RELEASE: 07-37

NASA STUDY FINDS WARMER FUTURE COULD BRING DROUGHTS

NASA scientists may have discovered how a warmer climate in the future
could increase droughts in certain parts of the world, including the
southwest United States.

The researchers compared historical records of the climate impact of
changes in the sun's output with model projections of how a warmer
climate driven by greenhouse gases would change rainfall patterns.
They found that a warmer future climate likely will produce droughts
in the same areas as those observed in ancient times, but potentially
with greater severity.

"These findings strongly suggest that greenhouse gases and long-term
changes in solar activity both can have major influences on climate
via similar processes," said Drew Shindell, NASA Goddard Institute
for Space Studies, New York. Shindell is lead author of a paper that
appeared in the Dec. 27, 2006, issue of the American Geophysical
Union's "Geophysical Research Letters."

"There is some evidence that rainfall patterns already may be
changing," Shindell added. "Much of the Mediterranean area, North
Africa and the Middle East rapidly are becoming drier. If the trend
continues as expected, the consequences may be severe in only a
couple of decades. These changes could pose significant water
resource challenges to large segments of the population."

Using the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies climate model,
researchers found that changes in solar output in the ancient past
increased surface warming and altered atmospheric moisture and
circulations. These changes likely led to the severe droughts seen in
paleoclimate records.

The same model showed that greenhouse-gas warming has similar effects
on the atmosphere, suggesting drier conditions may become more common
in the subtropics. Rainfall could decrease further in already
water-stressed regions such as the southwest United States, Mexico,
parts of North Africa, the Middle East, and Australia. Meanwhile,
precipitation may increase across the western Pacific, along much of
the equator and in parts of southeast Asia.

The computer model considers changes in the oceans, weather, and
chemistry of the atmosphere, like ozone concentrations, and
accurately reproduced the broad rainfall shifts toward regionally
drier or wetter conditions during the past several hundred years.
Sunspot and ice core data also link the historical rainfall shifts to
variations in the amount of energy released by the sun. Since the
size of solar changes is uncertain, the study focused on the location
and pattern of precipitation shifts, not their precise amount.

Increases in solar output break up oxygen molecules, raising ozone
concentrations in the upper atmosphere. This adds to upper
atmospheric heating that leads to shifts in circulations down to the
surface. In turn, surface temperatures warm, and the Earth's basic
rainfall patterns are enhanced. For instance, in wet regions such as
the tropics, precipitation usually increases, while dry areas become
more prone to drought since rainfall decreases and warmer
temperatures help remove the small amount of moisture in the soil.

"Precipitation is hard to predict because it is so highly variable,
but these results increase our confidence that continued warming will
be associated with large-scale changes in rainfall," said Shindell.

Researchers also considered numerous tree-ring, fire, and lake
sediment records from across the Americas, including Mexico, Peru,
and the Yucatan Peninsula. These data are reliable indicators of
historical climate and confirm a pronounced increase in drought
frequency in the southern United States, Mexico, and other
subtropical locations during periods of increased solar output in the
past 1,200 years. This long-term record of solar output is based on
chemical isotopes whose production is related to the sun's
brightness. Conversely, in parts of the tropics, ocean sediment data,
key indicators of precipitation changes, reflect increased rainfall.

According to the researchers, the same processes identified by this
new research very likely also affected past civilizations, such as
the Pueblo people of New Mexico and Arizona who abandoned cities in
the 1300s.

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“ANWR will take 10-15 years before we get one drop of oil. By that time we will end up getting about 3% of our annual oil needs from ANWR, when just raising our auto MPG standards up to European standards would save far more than 3% of our projected needs. No reason to tear up ANWR when it literally will be a drop in the bucket. In 15 years we could also have many forms of renewable energy in place that would obliterate the need for ANWR. The gulf oil reserves aren't proven yet.

Global warming and oil go hand in hand. One causes the other.

The successful can be even more successful by weaning themselves off of oil, even you can agree to that.”

“TechNtrek, ANWR is a gift to the oil companies.

I won't do the rest of us any good.”

“GOOD LOGIC MARKY MARK...okay now here is the question (feel free to call the wifey for information) if you raise the supply of something relative to demand...what happens to the cost??????”

“face it XL anwr is a teacup compared to the arab field...”

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“Very insightful Stove...I am glad you signed the Fuego Resolution....I think it is going a long way towards reducing the actrimony. (LOL)”