Global Warming

“"if you raise the supply of something relative to demand...what happens to the cost??????" - XL400236

"face it XL anwr is a teacup compared to the arab field..." - Lumberjack


Yup. Notice XL that I said ANWR would only take care of 3% of our needs. The US, and only the US. Since China and India's demand on the global oil market will be far beyond our demand in 15 years, ANWR's contribution to the global oil market will be a fraction of a percent. Probably around %0.1. (this is item 1)

Item 2, we will also be hitting global peak oil at that time so supply will be contracting.

Item 3, China and India's huge demand will drive the global price; the US's demand won't be the driving factor anymore.

Add all that together and you get absolutely zero drop in price when ANWR starts pumping.”

“YAAAWN

then there is

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/06/business/worldbusiness/06oil.html?ex=1315195200&en=aadad2b19fb28e40&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss”

“I sure hope you guys do not buy any roses for your sweeties.
All those planes carrying the cut roses are sure adding to Global Warming!!!!”

“No reason to tear up ANWR when it literally will be a drop in the bucket.

Oil finds are incremental. It would be stupid not to use it before we switch over to nuclear energy (and eventually to a lesser extent alt-energies).”

“Yawn to you XL. Feel free to concede that you were wrong about the pricing.

ANWR has 10 billion barrels of oil. The upper range in the gulf from your article is 15 billion. That would supply about 4.5% of our annual consumption in 15 years - assuming they could have all the pieces in place within 15 years.

Current US oil consumption: 20,000,000 barrels per day. That's today, not in 15 years.

So 15 billion barrels of oil would last this country 750 days at today's consumption. Two years. Add in future consumption increases and it would last far less than 2 years.

Now do you see how futile drilling in ANWR and the gulf is? Feel free to concede defeat on this one, too.

Adding ANWR and the gulf into our energy mix would be like turning on a few garden hoses to put out a magnesium factory fire. Like that analogy? Right up your alley.”

“SS - and that is why I rarely ever travel by air. Its been several years since my last trip and it was a half-dozen before that. I always choose "ground" shipping when I buy online.”

“So 15 billion barrels of oil would last this country 750 days at today's consumption.

Gee I didn't realize it would be our *sole* source of oil. What a skewed way of presenting it.”

“I presented it both ways. Going by actual annual production (which would take decades), that's where you get 3% and 4.5% of our annual needs.

That makes it look worse than saying it would last us 2 years!

Of course the LOWER range in that article for the gulf is only 3 billion barrels, which ends up as less than 1% of our annual needs. Wow, all that bountiful oil that will solve all our oil needs. Not.”

“I was seeing today that if we go Methanol it will squeeze the prices of Corn and Wheat...lol...we can save our nation but will starve the little Foriegn Maggots by not giving them the free food...Sounds like a win win to me. (LOL)”

“my bar bill is whats driving up the price of corn :}

XL you mentioned supply and demand... opec now controls more exportable oil then it did when they embargoed us in the 70's and now the chinese are buying oil up like crazy too. With a rising demand and a fixed supply what do you think prices will do? Opec could ruin us at any time if they choose to.

Oddly enough one tactic that could help us would be to build nuke power plants in china in exchange for thier reduction in oil usage....”

“You know I keep hearing one cute defense of Global Warming

"If the Weather Service predicts rain you take the precaution of taking an umbrella."

Well YES....but if the Weather service Predicts 18" of snow, the town shuts down no business is done...and the morning dawns cold and clear with no precipitiation....what is the response?”

“18" predicted isn't enough to shut down town around here.
;-)”

“Thank you...you just made my point”

“18" of snow predicted and what do you get? 18" of soap suds as usual.”

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“Liberal dupicity....how fun. I was noticing the number of Government KIDDIE haulers (to the Government Indoctrination Camps) and wondering...if we had local Neighborhood Schools where kids could walk to them woudl that save BILLIONS Of gallons of Diesel as well as repair on the busses?

Then it hit me. The TEACHER UNION THUGS have to drag our kids all over town.
1. Few parents will drive the exhorbitant distance to a far school...meaning the parents will be less interested in the school and more or less become mind numbed robots for the unions.
2. Lack of caring means the TEACHERS can be incompetent (bottom on the SAT's as a rule) but still work the kiddies unseen.
3. There won't be shared knowledge.

This had nothing to do with improving education...or bussing to "make it fairer" it has to do with TAKE OVER OF LIVES”

“Why does not Xtreme Liberal spending apply to the last 6 years?”

“Since this President is much closer to the Dems than most voters knew....I have to agree....

HERE is a frightening thought...why did he wait till AFTER the congressional elections to announce Rumsfeld was resigning?”

“After record cold and snow hit the northeast and Florida, our AP news media feel the need to remind us that “Global Warming” is a FACT. The “hottest ever” headline is a sensational, but inaccurate description. This article clearly states that this is since 1880.

This is back when scientific measuring instruments were less accurate than they are today. This is especially significant since there is only a 0.94 degrees difference between temperatures being reported since 1895. Global temperature swings are a climatological phenomenon occurring over millions of years.

Are we to believe that scientists were accurately measuring climate temperatures to hundredths of a degree in the 1890’s? Why are served a headline that says, “hottest ever” instead of “hottest since 1890”? This is not news, once again, it’s propaganda.




Temperatures hottest ever in January

The Associated Press
February 16. 2007

WASHINGTON - It may be cold comfort during a frigid February, but last month was by far the hottest January ever.

The broken record was fueled by a waning El Nino and a gradually warming world, according to U.S. scientists who reported the data Thursday. Records on the planet's temperature have been kept since 1880.

Spurred on by unusually warm Siberia, Canada, northern Asia and Europe, the world's land areas were 3.4 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than a normal January, according to the U.S. National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. That didn't just nudge past the old record set in 2002, but broke that mark by 0.81 degrees, which meteorologists said is a lot, since such records often are broken by hundredths of a degree at a time.

''That's pretty unusual for a record to be broken by that much,'' said the data center's scientific services chief, David Easterling. ''I was very surprised.''

The scientists went beyond their normal doublechecking and took the unusual step of running computer climate models ''just to make sure that what we're seeing was real,'' Easterling said.

It was.

''From one standpoint it is not unusual to have a new record because we've become accustomed to having records broken,'' said Jay Lawrimore, climate monitoring branch chief. But January, he said, was a bigger jump than the world has seen in about 10 years.

The temperature of the world's land and water combined - the most effective measurement - was 1.53 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than normal, breaking the old record by more than one-quarter of a degree. Ocean temperatures alone didn't set a record.

In the Northern Hemisphere, land areas were 4.1 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than normal for January, breaking the old record by about three-quarters of a degree.

But the United States was about normal. The nation was 0.94 degrees Fahrenheit above normal for January, ranking only the 49th warmest since 1895.

The world's temperature record was driven by northern latitudes. Siberia was on average 9 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than normal. Eastern Europe had temperatures averaging 8 degrees Fahrenheit above normal. Canada on average was more than 5 degrees warmer than normal.

Larger increases in temperature farther north, compared to mid-latitudes, is ''sort of the global warming signal,'' Easterling said. It is what climate scientists predict happens and will happen more frequently with global warming, according to an authoritative report by hundreds of climate scientists issued this month.

Meteorologists aren't blaming the warmer January on global warming alone, but they said the higher temperature was consistent with climate change.

Easterling said a weakening El Nino - a warming of the central Pacific Ocean that tends to cause changes in weather across the globe - was a factor, but not a big one. But Kevin Trenberth, director of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, said El Nino made big changes worldwide that added up.

Temperature records break regularly with global warming, Trenberth said, but ''with a little bit of El Nino thrown in, you don't just break records, you smash records.''

As much of the United States already knows, February doesn't seem as unusually warm as January was.

''Even with global warming, you're not going to keep that cold air bottled up in Alaska and Canada forever,'' Easterling said.



http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070216/WIRE/70215042&SearchID=73272326483195”

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“LOL..the typical HUMAN arrogance...that we can destroy something GOD made....(LOL).”

“Is that three letter noun a town in China?”

““LOL..the typical HUMAN arrogance...that we can destroy something GOD made....(LOL).”
XL400236
8:17:55 AM
2/16/07

Exactly, XL. I mean this earth has been around, pretty much unchanged for 6000 years or so already...

God's in charge, people. Quit worrying, and get ready for the Rapture.”

“Phaed, I think the opening from Jurassic Park is the best.

We may burn ourselves off this planet...but the world will recover.”

“you mean typical arrogant religeous nut expecting god to come rescue us from our own foolishness...”

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“http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2007/02/20/news/state/state03.txt

minus 35 in NY town.”

“I Noticed Incontinent Truth got a few gimmies in the show (by the way stove I missed the awards again...this makes like EVERY one I have missed)”

“Yup, won best documentary, and best song. Loved the fake "announcement".”

“I'm so old I remember when Documentaries were expected to be honest deplictions of facts, instead of opinions disguised as fact, but we all can thank Michael Moore for that, LOL.”

“Next time the Gulf of Mexico comes lapping at your door, remember, it's just an opinion, not a fact.”

““Next time the Gulf of Mexico comes lapping at your door, remember, it's just an opinion, not a fact.”
Geobeet
12:47:14 PM
2/26/07

Awwwww, kind, sweet Geo. :-)”

“Hey, you're the one who doesn't believe in it.”

“That's what I like about Geo. Always so kind and upbeat about everything.
LOL
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“LOL..Hey Stovie...how does Geo come down on the other religions out there (LOL)????

Face it geo, every and I mean EVERY model they make falls on its face, every major prediction is a bust...it is a theory (not science) of consensus. Just like any of the religions there are things you are told to accept on FAITH.

I am waiting for the first Supreme Court Case to hit this as a violation of the Church and State. Of Course the only way you will be able to get the ACLU (American Criminal Leadership UNION) to support you is if you can get some kiddie porn to swap for services.”

““That's what I like about Geo. Always so kind and upbeat about everything.
LOL
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StoveStomper

Now where's that sense of humor you're always talking about? Can't come up with a snappy comeback so you just say I'm unkind? Weak man, weak!”

“Face it geo, every and I mean EVERY model they make falls on its face, every major prediction is a bust...it is a theory (not science) of consensus. Just like any of the religions there are things you are told to accept on FAITH.

I am waiting for the first Supreme Court Case to hit this as a violation of the Church and State. Of Course the only way you will be able to get the ACLU (American Criminal Leadership UNION) to support you is if you can get some kiddie porn to swap for services.”
XL400236

Oh yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. What are you smoking Dude?”

“Geo needs to learn to read. LOL”

“I was inspired by last nights award to do my part to combat human-caused global warming. I built a time machine and went back to 937 AD (when the climate was much warmer than it is today) and told those medieval idiots to stop driving those big SUVs.”

“Did you remember to tell them to stop using hair spray as well?”

“Damn, I'll have to go back.”

“SS, until you sit down and watch the movie you have no right to rebuke it. You have no idea what the content is no matter how much you think you do. Most of the movie is presenting facts from varied sources, not his personal opinion.

Oh, and you do have a greater vested interest in this matter considering where you live. Since you are planning on selling the place soon maybe deep down you do agree with the concept but can't admit it?
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“Oh for Pitys sake tech...the movie has been hacked apart as CRAP...thats like the loon jobs who believed Fahrenheit 911 it was fake crap from shot one.

Jeeze...if we get a conservative thought that is proven we have to prove it beyond any doubt or question...but the loon libbies will grasp at fake straws in an effort to control other people's lives.

Well the Pigs had their Snowball as the threat for everything I guess the libbies are like any good paranoid they must have a reason to fail.

Then there is this

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

But ofcourse that means NO DISASTER no reason to throw or lives away and follow the Libbie Envior wackos in our sandaled feet while they drive off in GIANT SUV's. No that means people can still think for themselves (the real danger to Global Socialisim dressed as Environmentalist Theory)”

“They're afraid you'll beet some sense into them.”

“More,
all or nothing, Al Gore vs Ann Colter crap. Somewhere between the two sides is the truth. And, if more time was spent trying to define that truth, this place may be worth it's band width.”

“Hey tent-stealing woman stalker - what is your source for the following drivel that you previously posted?

“I was inspired by last nights award to do my part to combat human-caused global warming. I built a time machine and went back to 937 AD (when the climate was much warmer than it is today) and told those medieval idiots to stop driving those big SUVs.”
Bison
3:39:31 PM
2/26/07

In particular - the 937 AD being warmer hallucination.
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“Gee BB is that libel you're peddling?

Can you be bothered to find a source that doesn't confirm that the climate was much warmer prior to about 1200 (when the climate began to cool again after a long period of warmth). This is what we have archeologists for BB, so they can dig stuff up and find that surprise, surprise you had crops growing in places that they will not grow today, why? Because it's too cold now. For instance, wine grapes in England.

The Domesday Book, compiled in the 11th century, recorded 46 places in southern England growing wine grapes. (Richard Tkachuck of the Geosciences Research Institute notes that German vineyards were found as high as 780 meters in elevation during the Medieval Warming, but are found today up to only 560 meters — indicating a temperature difference of 1° to 1.4° C)

They are also plenty of studies of comparative oxygen isotopes (found in ice cores) which show a good estimate of historical average global temps. As well as total ice volume studies, and plenty of recorded historical evidence, for instance the historical use of mountain passes in the alps that are currently glaciated.

Here's a nice graph from one such isotope study showing estimated global temps over the last 120,000 years, compared to some periods in the past you could barely label the current climate as tepid


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“Hey if its a Disaster how come CAPTAIN SMITH (ALGORE) of the Titanic is not personally taking actions to reduce his "CARBON FOOTPRINT"?????HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

From Drudgereport

POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER 'TRUTH'
Mon Feb 26 2007 17:16:14 ET

Nashville Electric Service/Gore House

2006

High 22619 kWh Aug – Sept
Low 12541 kWh Jan - Feb
Average: 18,414 kWh per month

2005

High 20532 Sept - October
Low 12955 Feb - March
Average: 16,200 kWh per month

Bill amounts

2006 – $895.60 (low) $1738.52 (high) $1359 (average)
2005 – $853.91 (low) $1461 (high)

Nashville Gas Company

Main House
2006 – $990(high) $170 (low) $536 (average)
2005 – $1080 (high) $200 (low) $640 (average)

Guest House/Pool House

2006 – $820 (high) $70 (low) $544 (average)
2005 – $1025 (high) $25 (low) $525 (average)

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization, issued a press release late Monday:

Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

For Further Information, Contact:
Nicole Williams, (615) 383-6431
editor@tennesseepolicy.org

OH thats right Libbies don't have too becuase all people are equal and some are more equal than others.....(LOL)

UM...in case you don't know it libbie boys...you done been OWNED!”