Global Warming

“Here's a blog that goes through the arguments of "The Great Global Warming Swindle". It has plenty of links to back up it's disputes of the films arguments.

In The Green
last edited: 3/18/07 7:31:21 PM”

“The article refers to an unpublished 'study'. As such, it has not been subjected to any sort of scientific scrutiny.”

“LOL..kinda like the whole manmade global warming Consensus study....”

“In a head to head debate the Al Gore's of the world can't hold a candle to the real issues.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=5ac1c0d6-802a-23ad-4a8c-ee5a888dfe7e”

“Unless, humanity is the 'HIV' attacking the worlds' immune system.
last edited: 3/19/07 9:19:56 AM”

“Sale its only the successful independent humans who are dangerous. If you wish to be a third world ward of the state, you are fine.”

“It's trash day here also, the trucks just left with your thoughts being compressed into , soon to be ,time capsules.”

“Interesting hearing today with the Gov't Oversight Committee re: wording in gov't reports on Global Climate Change being changed by a former American Petroleum Institute employee. If you can't tune in C-SPAN right now, there'll be highlights on the news tonight ---”

“Tilt, That is old news. The changes were made to indicate what the evidence indicated, instead of what was theorized.

The Democrats are spinning their wheels doing investigations of stuff that has already been investigated. Sort of like a perpetual recount until they get the tally they want, not the actual tally.”

“According to the “Global Climate Science Communications Action Plan” from the American Petroleum Institute:

(quote)
Victory Will Be Achieved When:
Average citizens “understand” (recognize) uncertainties in climate science…

Strategies and Tactics:
1. National Media Relations Program: Develop and implement a national media relations program to inform the media about uncertainties in climate science...and thereby educate and inform the public…

Various metrics will be used to track progress. These measurements...may include:…
Total audience exposed to newspaper, radio, television coverage of science uncertainties.
(unquote)


What do you think about their use of quotation marks around the word 'understand'?”

“Dang Tilt that almost sounds like it was paraphrased from either 1984 or Animal Farm.”

“damn you george bush.”

“George admits it's actually happening, but it's all talk at this point. Fossel fuels companies are coming around, slowly.

(He also admitted there were no WMD a couple of years ago, but you'd never know it by these guys... they're on the Cheney Plan)”

“Global warming is all Bush's fault.”

“Or those evil people who got rid of horses and replaced them with automobiles.”

“sunsa#&%!$es.



They should fine FOrd motor company. They, along with George Bush, are to blame.”

“Ofcourse getting the horses off the street eliminated the smell/insects etc that spread so many diseases...but that is a bad thing to the libbies.”

“The word 'libby' sounds great from an antisocialist socialist.”

“How much coal is burned by liberals posting about global warming on the internet? If we could just get you guys to turn off your computers, modems and routers we could save the planet.”

“. . . or we could just get all the conservatives to stop breathing.”

“or get all fo the liberals to stop crying and screaming.”

“Just got caught up on this thread, I've been away from the site since last Friday.

Bottom line Corey, I asked you and Bison to back up your claims and all I heard was that I was interpreting your article incorrectly and I should go view the video. I was asking for hard facts I could read in a few minutes, not some video that I had to plow through and take time digesting. If the video is right, then the info in that video should be available from other sources that I can read.

Which is why I posted all the links/quotes refuting your claim that the oceans are a CO2 source, and more links/quotes on the other issues discussed last week.

Links to short source material and direct quotes allow the discussion here to continue without setting aside an hour to watch a video (which has been PULLED from google by the way).

I just skimmed over the last 2 weeks of posts and I see over a dozen links from me, and only about 1 each from you, XL, and Bison. If you can't back up your claims like I have, don't complain.”

“techntrek, somet ing tells me that if we wait until you approve of my source of info on that, we'll be here a long time waiting.

The reason for my comments were directly because of the video, and if you choose not to watch Im ok with that.

meanwhile, whether or not you watch, it does throw a serious wrench in some of what youre saying (and Al Gore of ciurse).”

“I did try to watch; its been removed/pulled/deleted/killed/zapped. Find another source I can read, and like I said 2 weeks ago, I'm happy to discuss. Just don't ignore half of each article that you post...”

“"They should fine FOrd motor company. They, along with George Bush, are to blame.”
solidude

Nonsense. My Ford has less emissions than any of the pipsqueak toyota gas cars, including that teeny yaris. Do some research. People are so focused on gas milegage that most of them don't even know what kind of emissions their cars produce.

I'm on a roll today! WhhhhhoooooooHOO! Gotta uncheck fuego-quick.
last edited: 3/20/07 11:23:30 AM”

“i wasnt around when they voted you thread nanny, so I feel unqualified to participate in your democracy here on this debate.

If I could be so bold, you should be less quick to impose rules in a free discussion of thought. You might even learn something.

Thanks to Bison, I sure did, and it didnt hurt one bit. Maybe a tad bit of pride, but the gains outweigh the losses.

Dont assume people ignore half of they read. Try dialog next time.”

“And once again you don't supply the links. If you don't want to discuss, no problem. It only weakens your argument even more.”

“To the contrary, it is strengthened.”

“You can state your opinion all you want, if you don't back it up its worth about 2 cents.”

“source?”

“Ghost hunting without dark.”

“"Swindle" = 'silly'.”

“Silent J, thanks for the link. A working link to the video in that article, and an actual article to read.”

“WOW..Corey I am in total AWE. You have been here such a short time and tech is turning on you like a rabid Yorkie.”

““"They should fine FOrd motor company. They, along with George Bush, are to blame.”
solidude

Nonsense. My Ford has less emissions than any of the pipsqueak toyota gas cars, including that teeny yaris. Do some research. People are so focused on gas milegage that most of them don't even know what kind of emissions their cars produce.

I'm on a roll today! WhhhhhoooooooHOO! Gotta uncheck fuego-quick.


Ford has been around longer than 99% of all car comapnies, thus responsible for more carbon polution than most company (car manufacturer or not) in existance today.


It was tounge in cheek to begin with...pay attention and you do YOUR research.

Woot. I drive an ultra low emissions vehicle, and its not a ford, but one of dem dere rahhhce burners.”

“There's some stunning logic, Solidude. Lets sue a company for making something we all want and keep on buying because they should have known about emissions back in 1914. Maybe we should reward them for being the first company to look at alternative fuels too? Naw, that wouldn't be fun.

Just in case you weren't aware, we can't read intonation. If it's tongue in cheek say so,(TIC), or look like a moron who posts random opinions with no proof.

I did do my research, that is how I know. What do you drive?”

“Well then..this has to really Skcu....

Prius VS Hummer...


http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188”

“"WOW..Corey I am in total AWE. You have been here such a short time and tech is turning on you like a rabid Yorkie."
XL400236


LOL! XL, just to be clear, Corey is an obvious troll. The use of the phrase "thread nanny" earlier today was a dead ringer. That term is used a lot by long-time TT members, not by newbies to this site. Another one of your trolls?”

“Tech I don't use trolls...(okay there was a rabbit and mmmmabye a Doberman (LOL)) but other than that I am me.”

“I have an Xb. I didn't buy a Prius, because of the battery issue. Sure, put a Prius on a NASCAR track and it's helpless- more realistic standards- rewrite the standards , get realistic america.”

“wow techntrek, you're quite a guy there. I did hear that term on here from Tilt the week before I started posting on this site. If its a popular copywrited phrase on here, thats news to me. The term is not unique to this site so you know. Look it up. Sorty I dont have a video for you. Youve confirmed my statement though. You're quite the character.

Great discussion on global warming, dont you know!

The funny thing is, I believe in globak warming and this guy is talking me out of it! =)”

“Thanks Corey, I try.”

“Toyota announces it is switching to a Lithium-Ion battery.

Business Week”

“On a related note, GM is going the same way (lithium ion). Good write-up about their reasons, here: http://sustainablog.blogspot.com/”

“By the way Corey, if you and Bison need any more proof that the ocean is sucking up more CO2 than it emits, here's your proof (not to mention all the other articles I submited for your review).

"The Oceanic Sink for Anthropogenic CO2", published by U.S. Dept. of Commerce / NOAA

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/pubs/outstand/sabi2683/sabi2683.shtml

A quote:

"Topic: The ocean's role in the global carbon cycle.
...Over the anthropocene, about 244 ± 20 Pg C was emitted into the atmosphere as a result of the burning of fossil fuels and cement production [Marland et al., 2003] (Table 1). About two-thirds of these emissions have remained in the atmosphere, increasing the atmospheric CO concentration from about 281 ± 2 ppm in 1800 [Etheridge et al., 1996] to 359 ± 0.4 ppm in 1994 [Keeling and Whorf, 2004], which translates to an increase of 165 Pg C. Subtracting our ocean inventory estimate of 118 ± 19 Pg C and the atmospheric inventory change from the integrated fossil-fuel emissions constrains the net carbon balance of the terrestrial biosphere to be a net source of 39 ± 28 Pg C for the period between 1800 and 1994. Therefore, the ocean has constituted the only true net sink for anthropogenic CO over the past 200 years. Without this oceanic uptake, atmospheric CO would be about 55 ppm higher today than what is currently observed (~380 ppm)."


Note the bolded sentence above.
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“Salebored, I have an Xb also.

It is a great road car getting as much as 38 MPG...............when driving at 60 or less on state highways........and 34-35 when travelling at 70+ on interstates.

I can sleep comfortably in either of the front seats in the reclined position and have done that several times when arriving at trail heads late at night.”

“techntrek, one more time, I don't know why this is alluding you

only output matters

you keep assuming total co2 in atmosphere is constant

also, the cycle youre looking at is too small

you cant offer 'more' proof when you havnt offered it once

you can address Bison here out. I dont like your attitude. No hard feengs, but your not helping the cause by remaining so closed minded. I would love to talk to you about other things youre less 'sure' of. ok?”

“I bought the Xb for my son. He's 6'5" and growing and this car offers us leg and head room. It's hard to drive my other cars, because the Xb is so handy.”

“So the CO2 that gets absorbed does not matter?”