Global Warming

“j: Professor Carl Wunsch, professor of physical oceanography at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology said he had been "completely misrepresented" by the programme, and "totally misled" on its content. He added that he is considering making a formal complaint."

Once again I make the statement; don't waste your time watching the film."




j: The big point, of course, is the dissent. Oh yes, this is the best argument you can come up with? Scientists always bicker about details. The smoke and mirrors here is that you want to bring it up as if that is proof positive that global warming isn't real.



Ill let your words speak for themselves.”

“Bali halfzware shag 40%, szyletyl turkish 20% and 40% hand rubbed and grown 'bud' to entangle the halfzware and finally a 24ml Harveys Bristol Creme 38*F. Any questions?”

“Wow, you've resorted to, 'I'm rubber and your glue . . .' I'm impressed. Does your daddy know your on the computer?”

“Possibly. My dad died 6 months ago. I get comfortin thinking he's watching down on me.”

“Interesting story: China is likely to be the #1 carbon emitter in the world for '07.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070323/sc_nm/carbon_china_dc”

“Maybe we should help them through their Industrial revolution instead of being so worried about "sensitive technologies"?”

“Yep,
We need to build the Chinese some Nuke reactors. While they run global warming and oil depletion are both helped and if they blow then world population gets some help. Its a purely Win-Win situation.... :}”

“I want to know something...There have been like 6 ice ages in the Earth's history right? Now seeing as how most if not all occurred before "man" arrived on scene....how come they ended without HUMAN INFLUENCE?”

“Jeez, that really does sum up Gore's hypocrisy.”

“I thought so too.”

“LOOK OVER THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE FOLLOWING TWO HOUSES AND SEE IF YOU CAN
TELL WHICH BELONGS TO AN ENVIRONMENTALIST.

HOUSE # 1:

A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add
on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas.
In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average
American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and
natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which
last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than
20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not in a
northern or Midwestern "snow belt," either. It's in the South.

HOUSE # 2:

Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university,
this house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction
can provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is
nestled on arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet
in the house holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through
pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.)
heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no
fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the
electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater
from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground
cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground
purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then
irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to the
area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.

HOUSE # 1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of Nashville,
Tennessee. It is the abode of that renowned environmentalist (and
filmmaker) Al Gore.

HOUSE # 2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas.
Also known as "the Texas White House," it is the private residence of the
President of the United States, George W. Bush.

So whose house is gentler on the environment? Yet another story you WON'T
hear on CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC or read about in the New York Times or
the Washington Post. Indeed, for Mr. Gore, it's truly "an inconvenient
truth."”

““Wow, you've resorted to, 'I'm rubber and your glue . . .' I'm impressed. Does your daddy know your on the computer?”

It seems as though you've resorted to using incredibly bad grammar to display your lack of intelligence.”

“Poroise mouth! No getting wet in swimming with fools.”

“LOL

here are some more sites for the libbies

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/aprilfool/”

“I love this one from that site:


In 1977 the British newspaper The Guardian published a special seven-page supplement in honor of the tenth anniversary of San Serriffe, a small republic located in the Indian Ocean consisting of several semi-colon-shaped islands. A series of articles affectionately described the geography and culture of this obscure nation. Its two main islands were named Upper Caisse and Lower Caisse. Its capital was Bodoni, and its leader was General Pica. The Guardian's phones rang all day as readers sought more information about the idyllic holiday spot. Few noticed that everything about the island was named after printer's terminology. The success of this hoax is widely credited with launching the enthusiasm for April Foolery that then gripped the British tabloids in the following decades.”

“WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court ordered the federal government on Monday to take a fresh look at regulating carbon dioxide emissions from cars, a rebuke to Bush administration policy on global warming.

In a 5-4 decision, the court said the Clean Air Act gives the Environmental Protection Agency the authority to regulate the emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases from cars.

http://robots.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/02/scotus.greenhousegas.ap/index.html”

“Damn those rebukes! I haven't been rebuked since the church lady.”

“Isn't that special?”

“Bad news for the cronies.”

“YAWWWN.....defund the agency (LOL).”

“The daughter of a lady I take care of told me she had worked on a film called "The Power of Community". The family is a bit hippy and the name threw me a bit but I went and looked at the web site and I found it very interesting.

They did a study and documentary about how Cuba is able to still survive on so much less oil than the rest of the modern world and the actual benefits that come about by it. It is kind of like a little window into what we will have to do should the well ever run dry or be denied to us. interesting. Check it out.

http://www.communitysolution.org/cuba.html”

“yeah Cuba is doing great thats why people overload crowded makeshift boats to escape right?”

“I think not having "made in Cuba" stickers scattered throughouy the world helps too.”

“Nigal, good point. Cuba shows us that we will survive - and that we need to find the energy alternatives if we don't want to lower our material living standards like they had to. However, the reliance on community is a benefit.”

“You know I guess this proves the real face of the environmental movement. The old Line Socialists (READ Castro or any of the Soviet Leaders) demanded sacrifice out of their people. But they were always living in the lap of luxury.....

So we go to arguably the HEAD of ENVIORWACKOISIM in the world ALGORE and we see the same hypocritical "share the pain with everyone but ME" attitude. THAT IS WHY I THINK YOU ARE FULL OF S@#T”

“Warning, I'm about to pull a StoveStomper...


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“LOO...unless you look at much of the information that the seas may rise 10" at best.”

““yeah Cuba is doing great thats why people overload crowded makeshift boats to escape right?”

That's not the subject of the project XL. What they are showing is how a nation actually can get along on much less oil than we think we need and in some ways it can actually mean good things. It's not a political thing.”

“its just that they don't have to worry as much about production”

“was thinking about NOS for my veh9cle.

Any opinions on that? techntrek?”

“April 3, 2007

Tabatha Thompson/Dwayne Brown
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-3895/1726

Alan Buis
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
818-354-0474

RELEASE: 07-77

NASA FINDS ARCTIC REPLENISHED VERY LITTLE THICK SEA ICE IN 2005

WASHINGTON - A new NASA study has found that in 2005 the Arctic
replaced very little of the thick sea ice it normally loses and
replenishes each year. Replenishment of this thick, perennial sea ice
each year is essential to the maintenance and stability of the Arctic
summer ice cover.

The findings complement a NASA study released in fall 2006 that found
a 14-percent drop in this perennial ice between 2004 and 2005. The
lack of replenishment suggests that the decline may continue in the
near future.

Perennial ice coverage fluctuates seasonally for two reasons: summer
melting and the transport of ice out of the Arctic. When perennial
ice, which is 10 or more feet thick, is lost in these ways, new,
thinner, first-year seasonal ice typically replaces it. Some of this
seasonal ice melts in the following summer, and some is thick enough
to survive and replenish the perennial ice cover.

"Recent studies indicate Arctic perennial ice is declining seven to 10
percent each decade," explained Ron Kwok of NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "Our study gives the first reliable
estimates of how perennial ice replenishment varies each year at the
end of summer. The amount of first-year ice that survives the summer
directly influences how thick the ice cover will be at the start of
the next melt season."

Using satellite data from NASA's QuikScat and other data, Kwok studied
six annual cycles of Arctic perennial ice coverage from 2000 to 2006.
The scatterometer instrument on QuikScat sends radar pulses to the
surface of the ice and measures the echoed radar pulses bounced back
to the satellite. These measurements allow scientists to
differentiate the seasonal ice from the older, perennial ice.

Kwok found that after the 2005 summer melt, only about four percent of
the nearly 965,000 square miles of thin, seasonal ice that formed the
previous winter survived the summer and replenished the perennial ice
cover. That was the smallest replenishment seen in the study. As a
result, perennial ice coverage in January 2006 was about 14 percent
smaller than the previous January.

Kwok examined how movement of ice out of the Arctic affected the
replenishment of perennial sea ice in 2005. That year, the typically
small amount of ice that moves out of the Arctic in summer was
unusually high - about seven percent of the perennial ice coverage
area. Kwok said the high amount was due to unusual wind conditions at
Fram Strait, an Arctic passage between Antarctic Bay in Greenland and
Svalbard, Norway. Troughs of low atmospheric pressure in the
Greenland and Barents/Norwegian Seas on both sides of Fram Strait
created winds that pushed ice out of the Arctic at an increased rate.

The effects of ice movement out of the Arctic depend on the season.
When ice moves out of the Arctic in the summer, it leaves behind an
ocean that does not refreeze. This, in turn, increases ocean heating
and leads to additional thinning of the ice cover.

These findings suggest that the greater the number of freezing
temperature days during the prior season, the thicker the ice cover,
and the better its chances of surviving the next summer's melt. "The
winters and summers before fall 2005 were unusually warm," Kwok said.
"The low replenishment seen in 2005 is potentially a cumulative
effect of these trends."

Kwok also examined the 2000-2006 temperature records within the
context of longer-term temperature records dating back to 1958. He
found a gradual warming trend in the first 30 years, which
accelerated after the mid-1980s. "The record doesn't show any hint of
recovery from these trends," he stated. "If the correlations between
replenishment area and numbers of freezing and melting temperature
days hold long-term, its expected the perennial ice coverage will
continue to decline."

Kwok points to a possible trigger for the declining perennial ice
cover. In the early 1990s, variations in the North Atlantic
Oscillation, a large-scale atmospheric seesaw that affects how air
circulates over the Atlantic Ocean, were linked to a large increase
in Arctic ice export. It appears the ice cover has not yet recovered
from these variations.

"We're seeing a decreasing trend in perennial ice coverage," he said.
"Our study suggests that, on average, the area of seasonal ice that
survives the summer may no longer be large enough to sustain a stable
perennial ice cover, especially in the face of accelerating climate
warming and Arctic sea ice thinning." Data from the 2005-2006 season
have not yet been analyzed. The study appeared March 2 in Geophysical
Research Letters. For more information about QuikScat, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/missions/quickscat.html


-end-”

“Oh looky, Mars is warming up.




But wait, its because of dust and not solar fluctuations...

http://robots.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/04/04/mars.climate.reut/index.html


Oh, and Troll-ey B, my long term goal is to go electric with the car - I can get comparable performance from an electric motor today, but the problem is today's battery technology won't give me the range I need since its also my "daily driver". Once storage tech improves the door will be open to go electric. I doubt you are considering doing that with your car.”

“Nigal I got the whole (you can do more with less) but the question is "quality of life". Heck we got along fine without cars...unless you count the disease and smell of horse "pollution".

It is much like some of the debates I hear about "opinions" related to backpack selection. I have a friend who literally takes a sil tarp, space blanket and alchohol stove. He almost can carry everything in a book bag. Great for him!

I prefer some extra comfort. I am not going to debate his preference but I do not want him having ALGORE or some other government official telling me HOW I MUST PACK.

I have a close friend in Colorado who has a cool system in his house that recycles "grey water" for the toilets. GREAT Go for it, but don't demand the Government mandate we all spend our money (i.e. lose control on our property rights) to satisfy the government.”

“techntrek, it seemd like you completely misread my question.”

““Nigal I got the whole (you can do more with less) but the question is "quality of life". Heck we got along fine without cars...unless you count the disease and smell of horse "pollution".

That's not the point either. The point is that we have a perfect example of what we may face and a perfect example of how we might better cope with the problem when we face it. It's the whole learning from history thing.

I have a close friend in Colorado who has a cool system in his house that recycles "grey water" for the toilets. GREAT Go for it, but don't demand the Government mandate we all spend our money (i.e. lose control on our property rights) to satisfy the government.”

That's not the point either. I didn't read anything that was suggesting anything close to that. It is a good thing to prepare for the future, yes? If we can reason that situation X has a good chance of occurring what would we do? well, let's look around and see if there are any historical examples of situation X? Ah, there's a good example! Let's learn all we can about how they dealt with it so we may learn from it.”

“Nigal the thing I am saying is Cuba is not a good example. Heck the people in Cambodia lived for years on a handful of rice...can you do it? UM yes...but I would prefer not to have the wholesale abuse that went with the system.”

“You're looking at this with a political mind XL. It's not about the politics. You are mistaken about the message. It's not saying, "Hey let's go communist.". It's about studying a nation that was abruptly cut off from oil and how they coped and still survive. It's about seeing what happened to one nation and recognizing it could happen here and how we may best approach the problem when it happens here.

I don't say this to be disrespectful of to belittle you but did you go to the site and if so, how much did you read?”

“Nigal is part communist, part libbie.”

“Thank you Helpy Helperton! LOL!”

“Nigal, just for the hell of it I want to say how much I respect your reasoning and willingness to objectively weigh both sides of everything. That being said, now #&%!$ off:)”

“Thank you. #&%!$ing off sir! :)”

“Both of you #&%!$ off!”

“Lake Superior warming rapidly. Up 4.5 degrees since 1979. Less winter ice means more winter evaporation, lowering overall water levels.

http://robots.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/04/06/superior.warming.ap/index.html”

“The people in Duluth and Superior will be pleased.”

“Western US heading for a "permanent" drought "with rainfall reducing by about 3.6 centimetres each year until 2150. "

"The western US may be heading towards a return to the dustbowl landscape that devastated the prairies of the 1930s...the once-greener pastures are heading towards a drought more severe than the one that created the dustbowl of the 1930s."

"For the past seven years, states in the western US have been drying up. Rising temperatures, declines in annual precipitation, and an increasing population have combined to leave major water sources running perilously low. "


http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11552-serious-drought-may-strike-western-us.html



Time to sell and get out of Las Vegas before that artificial ecosystem collapses and property values fall to zero.”

“My brother is doing just that.”