Global Warming

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Carlin was right. People are basically selfish and stupid… We’ll eventually foul the nest and try to wipe ourselves out. I believe the technical term is ‘die-off’.

Look around. We’re in an arms race with Microbes. Antibiotics that used to work are useless. How will the planet compensate with over a billion Chinese wanting a two-car garage? Wars over water? Climate Change is but one issue among so very many.

And in the end, it will all be advertised as the predictions of the big Pie in the Sky Coming To Pass.

Pleasant dreams ---

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“Strangely enough a strategy of conservation makes no sense. Why starve yourself while others live it up at your expense?”

“Conservation does not mean starve yourself,
or destroy the economy (as XL loves to say),
or go without showers for a week at a time,
or sit in the dark.

Just one example: I've cut my electric consumption 25%, but I still take long hot showers and actually have more light available inside and outside than before. The money I haven't sent to my power company is still growing the economy from all the CFL's, water heater timers and insulation I've purchased.”

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Well isn't that SPECIAL....

Tech great for you...but where do you come off telling me WHAT I HAVE (meaning by law) to do?”

“I found an article that discusses the livestock/methane thing. My number was off, they are working on reducing the output by 50%, and MarkO was right, it mostly comes from the belching.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2051364.ece

XL - Don't worry, Tilt was right. The laws won't tell YOU what you must do until its way too late.”

“Carlin was right. People are basically selfish and stupid… We’ll eventually foul the nest and try to wipe ourselves out. I believe the technical term is ‘die-off’.

Tilt bases his views on comedians. That explains a lot.”

“Mandating by law is the only way it will work since dimwits like XL can't seem to understand the notion of conservation on their own.

Let me guess, you drive a 4-wheel drive vehicle to compensate for your small (fill in the blank).”

“Sure we need more government control in our lives. Nice call rosey.”

“SO rosey you have no problem mandating Lifestyle by Government? Okay...so what happens if the Libbiesocialists ever fall out of power?

No Really...Say they pass these laws...the economy tanks big time....then the next election we get a group that makes the Taliban look mild?

I have a better plan...lets do this like Libbies enforce the law on everything else...we pass the law...but if you violate it we 'Censure" you or issue a SERIOUS CONDEMNATION!////YEAH that will work
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“I own a four wheel drive to compensate for the small roads in the National Forest.”

“Article today on New Scientist about the impact of meat on the environment, which Nigal brought up earlier.

"A kilogram of beef is responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions and other pollution than driving for 3 hours while leaving all the lights on back home."

http://environment.newscientist.com/article/mg19526134.500-meat-is-murder-on-the-environment.html”

“YAWWWN....how much does one of them there volcanoes put off?”

“Volcano = natural

meat production = introduced

Simple concept.”

“XL:

You see it as an erosion of your personal right to waste and use the environment and resources as you see fit.

I'm fine with that.”

“There should be an oxygen tax.”

“rosey...cows are "introduced" (libbie enviro religion speak for MANMADE) they aren't natural...actually its the steer's as a rule...and they are not natural????






Okay...then I am missing something? I thought Leather (from COWS) was a NATURAL item.....so the critter wrapped in a Natural product...is not natural I mean its INTRODUCED?

Call it silly Rosey...but I do not see ANY reason for erosion of your personal rights for anything as contrived as the EnvironmentalRELIGION.
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“Just a week after dumping tons of CO2 in the atmosphere to promote not dumping CO2 into the atmosphere, Al Gore again shows his commitment to Mother Earth by serving a threatened species of fish at his daughter's wedding


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22090734-5001031,00.html

Gore's message loses bite

By Rebecca Keeble

July 18, 2007 12:00am


ONLY one week after Live Earth, Al Gore's green credentials slipped while hosting his daughter's wedding in Beverly Hills.

Gore and his guests at the weekend ceremony dined on Chilean sea bass - arguably one of the world's most threatened fish species.

Also known as Patagonian toothfish, the species is under pressure from illegal, unregulated and unreported fishing activities in the Southern Ocean, jeopardising the sustainability of remaining stocks.

The species is currently managed by the Commission for the Conservation of Antarctic Living Marine Resources, the body which introduced a catch and trade documentation scheme as an attempt to tackle illegal poaching of this species.

Working with non-government organisations, the Humane Society International's focus is now on pursuit of illegal fishing operators who, in the rush to cash in on the highly valued species, plunder stocks with no regard for sustainability.

It has been estimated that more than 50 per cent of toothfish traded is illegally caught, and includes juveniles vital to the ongoing toothfish population.

For many years HSI has expressed concern over the huge numbers of seabirds that die each year on the hooks of illegally set demersal longlines, threatening the long-term viability of those populations.

Yet, while legal operators in the Southern Ocean are obliged to follow strict environmental rules, illegal operators undermine the sustainability of their fishing operations.

Recently, HSI petitioned the US Government asking that they certify and sanction Spain for allowing Spanish nationals known to engage in pirate fishing operations to continue to harvest toothfish in a declared conservation area.

Success would allow the US Government to embargo Spanish toothfish imports until such time as Spain demonstrates compliance of its nationals with international law and agreements.

As we await a response from the US, thousands of endangered seabirds die, while the sustainability of the Patagonian toothfish and the legal fishing industry inches closer to the brink of extinction.

A strong and concerted effort by Governments, the fishing industry, the conservation community and by the public which drives consumer demand, is required to put an end to pirate fishing operations in the Southern Ocean - otherwise the ecological sustainability of the toothfish is at risk.

And Al Gore could choose something else to eat.”

“You obviously want to participate in skulldrudgery and I am also fine with that. Just don't expect me to elaborate on my end.

Fathom this XL: You'll still have the freedom to choose, your choices just won't be on the market anymore.”

“"There should be an oxygen tax.” - bacpac

Wasn't that the premise behind Total Recall?”

“LOL..roseypalmer...YOUR CHOICES JUST WON'T BE ON THE MARKET ANYMORE...(Meaning the Government will control what You can CHOOSE)

HMMM..that sounds like you are promoting a system of strong socio economic controls on what we can choose to purchase. Meaning that would have to be administered by a STRONG central control....CONGRATULATIONS ROSEY you just ...ROTFLMAO...advocated Fascisim....

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.”

“Try not to expel as much methane and other hot gases.

Everyone will appreciate that.”

“LOL..Tilt...good come back, (LOL) cute....”

“Hot air? Should listen to Ben Bernanke trying to squirm out of telling how bad the Sub-prime mortgage mess really is. Selling homes at twice the price with mortgages that consist of smoke and mirrors can lead to problems? Who coulda' thunk?”

“We'll be nostalgic for the Resolution Trust Corporation before it's over with.  It's not a good sign when they're running commercials night and day, "You Too can be a Foreclosure Vulture and Make Out like a Bandit!"”

“I don't have a problem with that, XL. Lessee, so we should allow back on the market:

A. The Firestone tires used on SUVs.
B. IUDs.
C. Anabolic steroids
D. Cocaine

And many, many others. Ya know, these products were all legal once. But, hey, they determined they were deterimental to our health, so they were banned.

That's really crushing the free market and fine example of facism, no?”

“Firestone tires were banned?

IUD's are still available.

Your doctor can prescribe anabolic steroids.

Maybe I can get a prescrition for beef.”

“Don't play dumb, bacpac. Or are you not playing...”

“The tires were recalled and removed from the market.
The deadly IUD's were recalled and removed from the market.
You can't go to the local store and buy steriods like aspirin.
I do believe we have a war on drugs right now, like cocaine.

Point to roseymonster.

XL to serve. One love.”

“Is there something out there we're not at war with?”

“Firestone still sells tires...turned out they were failing due to FORD (READ AMERICAN COMPANY) was damaging the tires in production

IUD's...wellhttp://www.mjbovo.com/Contracept/IUD-Truth.htm

Most of their problems were...OH YEAH Litigation Attornies.

Anabolic steroids are still prescribed in some cases.

Cocaine...well I agree that the war on Drugs is ridiculous so I will not argue that point....but then Where is it in the founding documents that the Government has control on ANY OF THIS...The Federal Government that is....I think the 10th Amendment (unless it was deleted) handles a lot of the feel good stuff.

Finally in each case (with the exception of the poor investigation of the IUD each of those products failed in TESTS, STUDIES and were able to be proven Dangerous.

Now someone didn't say, "THAT Firestone tire will kill you in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 miles unless you only drive 10 miles an hour. And then when someone found out they COULD go that far at 75 mph the Firestone Detractor would say,"YOU are endangering your children doing that."

No they were tested in a SCIENTIFIC method

Not the Religion of Envioroconsensus

Additionally when they began saying the Tires were bad ...the THEY didn't keep driving on them
When the doctors decided andabolic steriods were bad..THEY DIDN'T KEEP USING THEM

Its the Hypocrisy Stupid”

“No war on stupid politicians,T...tttt....tttt....Tilt.”

“I hate when people call me dumb for being correct.”

“You guys are right. I give up. the government has never regulated anything that was bad for the American populous to the betterment of all. Really.

Of course we can trust big business and the oh-so-well-educated consumer to self-regulate.”

“rosey...I am certain then you will agree the government needs to control the Media...i mean we see now how BIASED the major news media is...maybe we can control what they write about?

yeah then Watergate, or hundreds of other scandals would never have been found.

The point is when you start it is great as long as YOU are picking what is controlled...but what happens with the people you disagree get in control?”

“The point is: the people I disagree with, VEHEMENTLY, are in control. Bush was such a moron, he wouldn't even ADMIT that GLOBAL WARMING was HAPPENING. Now it's, "Well, we're not causin' it..."

This admin has had the media wrapped around their finger. If they (the media) had been doing their job and asking the REAL and HARD questions, there is a high likelihood we would not be in Iraq right now.
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“I don't think the President ever denied that it is half a degree warmer today than it was a century ago.”

“How's the no meat thing going for you guys? Is it tough? Oh, you didn't give up meat yet? OK, well let me know when you get serious about loving the planet.”

“I'll have the ribeye, please.”

“In the interest of the Environment and Future Generations we should fricassee some Republicans and leave the other cattle alone.”

“I'm going to start my own company. If someone gives up meat to stop global warming I will give them so many Protein Credits which they can buy from me and I will use that money to buy more beef for me. Eat an extra salad over the weekend? Hey, send me $10 and cleanse your soul and rest well knowing I will eat a NY strip in your name and keep the globe warm for ya! :)”

“Do I make the check payable to Nijail and do get any free little pamphlets 'The Watch Flour'?”

“The Watch Flour?  gawd.


But Nigel, remember you'll need to send Paris Hilton a Huge freakin' check to compensate for the Inheritance Tax she'll still have to pay.....”

“No, I sent that money to the lobbyists in Washington to try and get inheritance taxes abolished.”

“No inheritance tax in 2010. Who's old enough to remember the early 60's 'Snowdrift'(Crisco like product) ad with John and Marcia?”

“WHAHAHAHA

It was the HIGHEST FORM OF "Science" At its time....

They practiced daily offering and sacrifices. However, human and animal sacrifices were held only on special occasions such as the enthronement of the Inca(the king), when 200 children would be killed, or in times of crises such as famine, or epidemics. Such critical situations were actually considered, most of the time, a result of disobedience to the Taboos and would therefore call for confession of sins. By confessing they would prevent or allay private and public disasters. At the beginning these confessions were done in public, becoming secret after some time.

The Incas
http://www.meta-religion.com/World_Religions/Ancient_religions/South_america/inca_religion.htm

LOL...and they did it because, WELL their leaders told them it would protect them.”

“Great analogy. NOT!”

“What is the purpose of complaining about man-made global warming, when the person doing the compkaning continues to drive automobiles, fly in airplanes, purchase goods manufactured by factories, eat beef, etc. etc.?


How can anyone take those people seriously?”

“Linear thinking ,this countries #1 past time. All or nothing ,left or right nonononononono nothing in between just black or white!!!!”

“So how does that play out in practice?

You can fly, but only on Wednesdays? You can burn fuel un your car, but must walk to the bank? No burgers on Fridays?

Sounds to me likr if you;re not willing to give things up, don't ask others to.



What I hear from the alarm9sts is we'ew in a dire sutuation and to save the planet we must make DRASTIC measures.

Is that not what they're saying uncliff?
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“The message can, by some, be separated from the messenger- Do you take sexual advice from the pope?”