Global Warming

“my mistake, I read your first choice and by default selected the 2nd one, but really neither of your 2 choices were representative of my comment-

Above I meant they put controls to prevent the natural burn of fires.
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“Ah. I don't agree with that. Put the fire crews around the houses to keep them from going up, but let the fires burn out naturally.”

“exactly
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“Eliminate them? Buddha...the drugs are too strong you sound like you advocate "elimination" of people who are voicing their opinions...in full support of the First Amendment..

What happend to the old Maggot infested feel good crap 'I oppose what you say but will fight to the death for your right to say it."

Or was it being blanked out by the shadow of HYPOCRISY?”
XL400236
8:10:02 AM
9/28/07


Hey, this post is a perfect example of your stupidity!

In my post, I stated, in part, "that way, we can study them, and maybe one day eliminate stupidity."

Eliminating people, and eliminating a behavior are two entirely different things, but to understand that, you can't be a stupid moron.

Ah, the fight aginst stupidity remains.

Stupidity is the quality or condition of lacking intelligence, as opposed to being merely ignorant or uneducated.

Intelligence is a property of mind that encompasses many related abilities, such as the capacities to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend ideas and language, and learn.

In conclusion, like terrorists, you'll never be able to eliminate stupid people, but we can hope to contain them from creating/enforcing/governing the policy/law/standards that the rest of human society lives by.

My post very clearly and reasonably defined that I wanted to eliminate the affliction of stupidity, not the people who suffer from it. Because you lack the intelligence to comprehend the idea, or the ability to reasonably interperate the words, you, in fact, are stupid. And, your stupidity has nothing to do with your opinion, as you probably will claim.”

“Now, being an idiot is an different thing, but we'll explore that later.”

“Ah, the fight aginst stupidity remains. - Buddha Bear
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“If Al Gore taxed his air travel as he wants to the middle class , he'd stay a little closer to home.

Take a look at who decided the tax payer should sudsidize the operating expences for airlines and the hotels and restaurants at the other end of the trip. Oh wait, they're some of the biggest employers of illigrants.
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“Barbara, fool me what? Or, what fool?
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“Causes for the Outbreak of Witchcraft Hysteria in Salem
1. Strong belief that Satan is acting in the world.
---------"The invisible world": disease, natural catastophes, and bad fortune attributed to work of the devil
2. A belief that Satan recruits witches and wizards to work for him.
---------Prior witchcraft cases in New England (and Europe before)
3. A belief that a person afflicted by witchcraft exhibits certain symptoms.
---------Cotton Mather's Memorable Providences
---------Most symptoms can be feigned
4. A time of troubles, making it seem likely that Satan was active.
---------Smallpox
---------Congregational strife in Salem Village
---------Frontier wars with Indians
5. Stimulation of imaginations by Tituba.
6. Convulsive ergotism, a disease caused by eating infecting rye that can produce hallucinations, causing strange behavior? (Interesting theory, but unlikely.)
7. Teenage boredom.
---------No television, no CDs, and lots of Bible reading
---------Strict and humorless Parris household
8. Magistrates and judges receptive to accusations of witchcraft.
---------See as way to shift blame for their own wartime failures
---------Admission of spectral evidence
9. Confessing "witches" adding credibility to earlier charges.
10. Old feuds (disputes within congregation, property disputes) between the accusers and the accused spurring charges of witchcraft.


WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!”

“I heard today that the hole in the Ozone layer is shrinking. How is that possible? I thought we were all going to die.”

“And the HURRICANES have been (just as predicted now 2 years running) horrible....

what are we into now the alpha and betas since we used up the alphabet. Sorry I lost count after Humberto (remember the Lets name it a hurricane and pray to God it lives up to the name)...lets check these killer hurricanes so far.....well the three major ones hit MEHICO which luckily had already evacuated to the US (LOL).....”

“LOL

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57949

Despite the claim of a heavily publicized recent study, the sun still appears to be the main agent in global climate change, according to new research by Danish scientists.

The study by the Danish National Space Center rebuts a July study by UK scientists who allege there has not been a solar-climate link in the past 20 years. ”

“And the Church of GLOBAL WARMING continues to dissolve....(LOL)

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/paul-detrick/2007/10/04/cnn-meteorologist-definitely-some-inaccuracies-gore-film

CNN Meteorologist Rob Marciano clapped his hands and exclaimed, "Finally," in response to a report that a British judge might ban the movie "An Inconvenient Truth" from UK schools because, according to "American Morning," "it is politically biased and contains scientific inaccuracies."

"There are definitely some inaccuracies," Marciano added. "The biggest thing I have a problem with is this implication that Katrina was caused by global warming."


AND THIS IS THE KILLER QUOTE

The Business and Media Institute has extensively critiqued the media's coverage of global warming in Fire & Ice, which covers a hundred years of coverage of global warming. While journalists have warned of climate change for more than 100 years, the warnings switched from global cooling to warming to cooling and warming again.”

“Haven't you burnt this same strawman enough times already. These people are just doing the tribal dances of the centuries,just this time it's around the four wheeled god so many worship.”

“Uncliff...its the PATRON RELIGION OF SOCIALISIM... this is the last bastion of hope for the "gimme-Socialists" and we are showing that it is a much a failed hypocritical belief as anything else the humanists have ever proposed.

I will continue to attack this because it is a great way to begin to destroy Socialisim”

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“will continue to attack this because it is a great way to begin to destroy Socialisim.

Staying in your job will do the trick ALL.”

“Okay Uncliff...put the bottle down and call for help.”

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Gore, U.N. Body Win Nobel Peace Prize

By Howard Schneider and Debbi Wilgoren
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 12, 2007; 8:32 AM

Former vice president Al Gore and a United Nations panel that monitors climate change were jointly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize today for their work educating the world about global warming and advocating for political action to control it.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee characterized Gore as "the single individual who has done most" to convince world governments and leaders that climate change is real, is caused by human activity, and poses a grave threat. Gore has focused on the issue through books, promotional events and his Academy Award-winning documentary "An Inconvenient Truth."

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a joint project between the United Nations Environment Program and the World Meteorological Organization, has been monitoring evidence of climate change and possible solutions since 1988.

The science showcased by the panel and Gore's advocacy have helped to "build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change," the committee said.

"Whereas in the 1980s global warming seemed to be merely an interesting hypothesis, the 1990s produced clear scientific support."

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“I haven't been this "thrilled" since Yasser Arafat won the NPP....

Pinheads....”

“We need a few more Global Warming threads for tiltypoo to post on. We might have missed one of his oh-so-important identical posts.
LOL”

“Oh, that's tilt? LOL - figures! LMAO! I knew it was one of those all "personal attacks and no substance" posters.”

“Whereas in the 1980s global warming seemed to be merely an interesting hypothesis, the 1990s produced clear scientific support."

Gore's film contains "serious scientific inaccuracies, political propaganda and sentimental mush".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/10/11/scigore111.xml

Al Gore's environmental documentary An Inconvenient Truth contains nine key scientific errors, a High Court judge ruled yesterday.

The nine alleged errors in the film

* Mr Gore claims that a sea-level rise of up to 20 feet would be caused by melting of either West Antarctica or Greenland "in the near future". The judge said: "This is distinctly alarmist and part of Mr Gore's "wake-up call". He agreed that if Greenland melted it would release this amount of water - "but only after, and over, millennia"."The Armageddon scenario he predicts, insofar as it suggests that sea level rises of seven metres might occur in the immediate future, is not in line with the scientific consensus."


* The film claims that low-lying inhabited Pacific atolls "are being inundated because of anthropogenic global warming" but the judge ruled there was no evidence of any evacuation having yet happened.


* The documentary speaks of global warming "shutting down the Ocean Conveyor" - the process by which the Gulf Stream is carried over the North Atlantic to western Europe. Citing the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the judge said that it was "very unlikely" that the Ocean Conveyor, also known as the Meridional Overturning Circulation, would shut down in the future, though it might slow down.


* Mr Gore claims that two graphs, one plotting a rise in C02 and the other the rise in temperature over a period of 650,000 years, showed "an exact fit". The judge said that, although there was general scientific agreement that there was a connection, "the two graphs do not establish what Mr Gore asserts".


* Mr Gore says the disappearance of snow on Mt Kilimanjaro was directly attributable to global warming, but the judge ruled that it scientists have not established that the recession of snow on Mt Kilimanjaro is primarily attributable to human-induced climate change.


* The film contends that the drying up of Lake Chad is a prime example of a catastrophic result of global warming but the judge said there was insufficient evidence, and that "it is apparently considered to be far more likely to result from other factors, such as population increase and over-grazing, and regional climate variability."


* Mr Gore blames Hurricane Katrina and the consequent devastation in New Orleans on global warming, but the judge ruled there was "insufficient evidence to show that".


* Mr Gore cites a scientific study that shows, for the first time, that polar bears were being found after drowning from "swimming long distances - up to 60 miles - to find the ice" The judge said: "The only scientific study that either side before me can find is one which indicates that four polar bears have recently been found drowned because of a storm."That was not to say there might not in future be drowning-related deaths of bears if the trend of regression of pack ice continued - "but it plainly does not support Mr Gore's description".


* Mr Gore said that coral reefs all over the world were being bleached because of global warming and other factors. Again citing the IPCC, the judge agreed that, if temperatures were to rise by 1-3 degrees centigrade, there would be increased coral bleaching and mortality, unless the coral could adapt. However, he ruled that separating the impacts of stresses due to climate change from other stresses, such as over-fishing, and pollution was difficult.”””

“Welllll we know that the Global Warming Religion is more or less the last bastion of the Socialists. And for years I have been saying that it is just a vehicle for Liberal Socialist (yes that IS redundant) Wealth Redistribution.


SO where is the proof?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/climate-change-threatens-poverty-fight/2007/10/14/1192300597884.html?page=2

The cost of mitigation, as assessed by the climate change panel, is very modest in relation to the cost of impacts across the world. If mitigation is not implemented, then income and wealth disparities between nations will increase, and the existence of poverty on a large scale, which should be ethically unacceptable, could pose a threat to global security and stability.


TRANSLATION: It is happening, if the successful nations do not hamstring their economies they will not be FAIR....even if they DO they must come up with WORLD WIDE Free MONEY for the poor in the world.



AND then there is this next truth attack on the Religion of Global Warming (or Cult)

ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works".

Dr William Gray, a pioneer in the science of seasonal hurricane forecasts, told a packed lecture hall at the University of North Carolina that humans were not responsible for the warming of the earth.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/gore-gets-a-cold-shoulder/2007/10/13/1191696238792.html

All in all both are good reads. THe problem in Africa/Asia is NOT the lack of "Capital" it is the fact that there is a growing following of a debased belief in a former Drunken Child Molester whose closest followers demand people revert to the practices of the 1400's.”

“I guess your point is that this, like all other religions, is all hoax? Welcome aboard the truth train.”

“I don't think thirdterm is Tilt. I may be wrong, but I never thought of tilt as a hater. I think its nimblefoot. He can be a hater from time to time, but then again usually nimble is good spirited with his hate. But maybe behind a mask he loses the good spirit part.”

“salebored”

“ I may be wrong, but I never thought of tilt as a hater. - hyway

LOL. Tilt was the one who said he wished he could fry the grandkids of all those in the coal industry.”

“hyway - I don't know where you're getting your "he/she is a good guy/bad guy" from, but I think it might be possible you don't frequent the threads enough to know what you're talking about. Having a real-life has it's disadvantages! :-)

Seriously, on this and another thread you've been pretty off base with who is instigating things in a negative light. No offense or anything, but perhaps you just don't keep up to date on this stuff very much.”

“sarge, I don't follow the fuego threads much. I usually have it off. I don't really care who does what to who on those. Non fuego is a different thing. I don't remember seeing tilt being consistently hateful.

The reason I mentioned you isn't because I think you are hateful (if I did say that I apologize) its because you have never suffered a slight you didn't want to pay back with anything less than a beheading.”

“One day we will find out who everyone is...at that point...the fun will be gone. (LOL)

uncliff...I have never been a proponent of RELIGION perse...I am a supporter of FAITH.

There is a Major difference as I have tried to explain. Sadly you are either unwilling or unable to grasp that small fact.”

“What I do on my other screen proves dailey that faith is for gamblers and I've never been in Missouri.”

“its because you have never suffered a slight you didn't want to pay back with anything less than a beheading.

hyway, again, that's not true. It is true that I often do that, but only when there are multiple slights coming from one individual. There are certain people on here (and I won't name them so as to not start anything), that seem to constantly wish to instigate something. To them, I often will attempt to put them in their place, and almost 100% of the time I do that simply by exposing what really was said instead of what they "pretend" was said or happened. If you think I do it too much (which I agree), then talk to those people and stop letting them get away with it.

I look at it like this. In real life, those "bullies" would not say the things they say around a campfire. And if they did, somebody would put them in their place. Since nobody around here is willing to do that (as you pointed out earlier - due to butt kissing), I do it. It's simple.

Anyways, for the most part I've let off that way of dealing with things. There has been a handful of instances, but they deserved it. Somebody should have said something.


The fuego threads is where much of this originates from. Those "innocent" people then spread lies elsewhere (on here, through instant messaging, through emails ...). So since many people don't see how it really went down, I have no problem telling how it is. If that's being "mean", so be it. I don't look at it that way.”

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Gore Derangement Syndrome

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: October 15, 2007

On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

And at National Review Online, Iain Murray suggested that the prize should have been shared with “that well-known peace campaigner Osama bin Laden, who implicitly endorsed Gore’s stance.” You see, bin Laden once said something about climate change — therefore, anyone who talks about climate change is a friend of the terrorists.

What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

Partly it’s a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White House. Both the personality cult the right tried to build around President Bush and the often hysterical denigration of Mr. Gore were, I believe, largely motivated by the desire to expunge the stain of illegitimacy from the Bush administration.

And now that Mr. Bush has proved himself utterly the wrong man for the job — to be, in fact, the best president Al Qaeda’s recruiters could have hoped for — the symptoms of Gore derangement syndrome have grown even more extreme.

The worst thing about Mr. Gore, from the conservative point of view, is that he keeps being right. In 1992, George H. W. Bush mocked him as the “ozone man,” but three years later the scientists who discovered the threat to the ozone layer won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In 2002 he warned that if we invaded Iraq, “the resulting chaos could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam.” And so it has proved.

But Gore hatred is more than personal. When National Review decided to name its anti-environmental blog Planet Gore, it was trying to discredit the message as well as the messenger. For the truth Mr. Gore has been telling about how human activities are changing the climate isn’t just inconvenient. For conservatives, it’s deeply threatening.

Consider the policy implications of taking climate change seriously.

“We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals,” said F.D.R. “We know now that it is bad economics.” These words apply perfectly to climate change. It’s in the interest of most people (and especially their descendants) that somebody do something to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, but each individual would like that somebody to be somebody else. Leave it up to the free market, and in a few generations Florida will be underwater.

The solution to such conflicts between self-interest and the common good is to provide individuals with an incentive to do the right thing. In this case, people have to be given a reason to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, either by requiring that they pay a tax on emissions or by requiring that they buy emission permits, which has pretty much the same effects as an emissions tax. We know that such policies work: the U.S. “cap and trade” system of emission permits on sulfur dioxide has been highly successful at reducing acid rain.

Climate change is, however, harder to deal with than acid rain, because the causes are global. The sulfuric acid in America’s lakes mainly comes from coal burned in U.S. power plants, but the carbon dioxide in America’s air comes from coal and oil burned around the planet — and a ton of coal burned in China has the same effect on the future climate as a ton of coal burned here. So dealing with climate change not only requires new taxes or their equivalent; it also requires international negotiations in which the United States will have to give as well as get.

Everything I’ve just said should be uncontroversial — but imagine the reception a Republican candidate for president would receive if he acknowledged these truths at the next debate. Today, being a good Republican means believing that taxes should always be cut, never raised. It also means believing that we should bomb and bully foreigners, not negotiate with them.

So if science says that we have a big problem that can’t be solved with tax cuts or bombs — well, the science must be rejected, and the scientists must be slimed. For example, Investor’s Business Daily recently declared that the prominence of James Hansen, the NASA researcher who first made climate change a national issue two decades ago, is actually due to the nefarious schemes of — who else? — George Soros.

Which brings us to the biggest reason the right hates Mr. Gore: in his case the smear campaign has failed. He’s taken everything they could throw at him, and emerged more respected, and more credible, than ever. And it drives them crazy.

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“LOL...poor uncliff I guess the whole "build that self esteem" stuff of Government Schools did exactly what was predicted...lots of gall lack of KNOWLEDGE.”

“Revealed: the man behind court attack on Gore film

Fuel and mining magnate backed UK challenge to An Inconvenient Truth

Jamie Doward, home affairs editor
Sunday October 14, 2007
The Observer


The school governor who challenged the screening of Al Gore's climate change documentary in secondary schools was funded by a Scottish quarrying magnate who established a controversial lobbying group to attack environmentalists' claims about global warming.

Stewart Dimmock's high-profile fight to ban the film being shown in schools was depicted as a David and Goliath battle, with the Kent school governor taking on the state by arguing that the government was 'brainwashing' pupils.

A High Court ruling last week that the Oscar-winning documentary would have to be screened with guidance notes to balance its claims was welcomed by climate-change sceptics.

The Observer has established that Dimmock's case was supported by a powerful network of business interests with close links to the fuel and mining lobbies. He was also supported by a Conservative councillor in Hampshire, Derek Tipp.”

“More Rons, like Nancies wasn't enough. I have no idea of how self esteem and gov schools have anthing to do with anything I've said. I did say gamblers use faith to control their lives, but I would be flat ass broke if If I relied on faith.
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“LOL...yeah sure....

Hey Tilty, so we discredit the attack on the blatant crap that is the Incompetent Truth.....for this guys background...but we accept the stuff of the Political Arm of Hillary Clinton (Media Matters)?

Maybe its time for the Libbie Song?”

“Yeah and with you guys you can follow it all the way to Peking (LOL)”

“Who's peeking out of their AH? Yes, follow the money, that path tells the truth, not the faithful loop trails revolvement.
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“We KNOW who's signing the checks!   LMAO

(and it's not Chinese coalmining interests)

They kill an average of 13 coalminers A DAY in Red China, BTW.”

“A successful slave owner should pay no tax
and the slave himself should never seek facts.”

“"......business interests with close links to the fuel and mining lobbies."

Those guys are crusaders for the common man.”

“Intresting that you mention China and Mining....can you explain why CLEENTON declared areas of Utah known to have Low Sulphur coal off limits thus allowing Indonesia (Charlie Trie) to have the monopoly? OH yeah...that bunch paid for and OWNS the Clintons.”

“Git Mitt and Cleenton'll learn some tricks.”

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