Global Warming

“Every thing you two critisize about Gorebal Warming is exactly true about your christianity. People who are so unable to make decisions on their own have no self trust and must be guided by fools folly.”

“Science screws with their unreality, and they're pissed.”

“Are we dead yet?”

“Didn't hear any horns.”

“They're speaking in tongues and it's hard for them see what's happening with their heads bowed.”

“Okay its a dead issue....even the hucksters pushing this religion don't belive it...typical liberal socialists....(LOL)

How to Jettison a Jet
A Lack of Apron Area Will Compel Delegations Attending the UN Climate Change Conference to Park their Planes Outside of Bali.


(11/3/2007) Tempo Interaktif reports that Angkasa Pura - the management of Bali's Ngurah Rai International Airport are concerned that the large number of additional private charter flights expected in Bali during the UN Conference on Climate Change (UNFCCC) December 3-15, 2007, will exceed the carrying capacity of apron areas. To meet the added demand for aircraft storage officials are allocating "parking space" at other airports in Indonesia.

http://www.balidiscovery.com/messages/message.asp?Id=4112”

“OH CRAP - the libbies were wrong again.

Global warming causes massive hurricanes!! We're all gonna die!! The sky is falling!!

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/broward/story/320606.html”

“BUT!!!!!! THERE IS HOPE!!!!!

READ here libbies....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/05/eapacific105.xml

Governments meeting to discuss whether the oceans should be used for experiments aimed at "fixing" carbon from the atmosphere heard that an Australian company is planning to dump 500 tons of industrially-produced urea - a substance that naturally occurs in urine - into the sea between Philippines and Borneo.


Now I can see the Crowd from Little Mermaid singing...

"Into the Sea, Into The Sea,
make warming fizz take a nice wiz
Into the Sea."

LOL”

“Agricultural land increase, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, Africa hit hardest, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), ancient forests dramatically changed, animals head for the hills, Antarctic grass flourishes, anxiety, algal blooms, archaeological sites threatened, Arctic bogs melt, Arctic in bloom, Arctic lakes disappear, asthma, Atlantic less salty, Atlantic more salty, atmospheric defiance, atmospheric circulation modified, attack of the killer jellyfish, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, bananas destroyed, bananas grow, beetle infestation, bet for $10,000, better beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, bird visitors drop, birds return early, blackbirds stop singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, bluetongue, boredom, bridge collapse (Minneapolis), Britain Siberian, British gardens change, brothels struggle, bubonic plague, budget increases, Buddhist temple threatened, building collapse, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north, cancer deaths in England, cardiac arrest, caterpillar biomass shift, challenges and opportunities, childhood insomnia, Cholera, circumcision in decline, cirrus disappearance, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cockroach migration, cod go south, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells (Australia), computer models, conferences, coral bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink , cold spells, cost of trillions, cougar attacks, cremation to end, crime increase, crocodile sex, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cyclones (Australia), damages equivalent to $200 billion, Darfur, Dartford Warbler plague, death rate increase (US), Dengue hemorrhagic fever, dermatitis, desert advance, desert life threatened, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, drowning people, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt, early marriages, early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spinning out of control, Earth spins faster, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El Ni�o intensification, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, equality threatened, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, bats, pandas, pikas, polar bears, pigmy possums, gorillas, koalas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, plants, salmon, trout, wild 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........things caused by Global Warming, according the to the Loopy Left.”

“Didn't see the stove pipe filling up with whiskey on that list.”

“What about Christmas? Does it cause Christmas?”

“....., white Christmas dream ends,......

It's on the list. ;-)”

“9 degrees this morning here in our part of Michigan.

You know what they say: nothing makes the earth quite as cold as global warming!”

“�For the past few months, the actual sunspot numbers have been below [the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration�s] lower predicted threshold, approaching zero,� according to the letter, leading some to conclude that we may be headed into another �solar minimum� period. The solar minimum, known as the Maunder Minimum, corresponds to the temperature depths of the Little Ice Age, a period of global cooling lasting from the 14th century to the 19th century.

As you can see from this graph of solar activity since the mid-18th century, low sunspot activity matches up nicely with well-known Little Ice Age climatic events like George Washington�s Christmas-night 1776 crossing of the ice-strewn Delaware River and Napoleon Bonaparte�s retreat from Moscow in the horrifically-cold winter of 1812-1813.

The letter writer goes on to mention that not too long ago the Mississippi River froze solid above St. Louis, permitting westward wagon trains to cross in the winter and that you can still see old two-story houses in Wisconsin with second floor doors that allowed inhabitants to exit their homes in the middle of winter when snow depths reached 8-feet and more.

If sunspot activity continues to be so markedly low, then we should prepare for the possibility of a significant global cooling trend that could reduce agricultural yields and bring on the sort of food shortages that occurred during the Little Ice Age.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313966,00.html
last edited: 11/30/07 8:43:58 AM”

“The sun is pro-pollution and anti-environment.

Who keeps those coal burning furnaces working up there on the sun anyway?”

“Holy crap that fox story is so full of inaccuracies I can't count them.

Bottom line we are currently at the bottom of an 11-year sun cycle. Happens every 11 years. Now, the solar activity (sunspots) does not equal solar output (energy radiated from the sun). That article is making them one and the same, which is wrong.”

“Whatever sells to the target audience.”

“That is the exact same argument we make about gore and his ilk.”

“the solar activity (sunspots) does not equal solar output - Tech

http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml

The Maunder Minimum
Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715 (38 kb JPEG image). Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the "Little Ice Age" when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past. The connection between solar activity and terrestrial climate is an area of on-going research.

Sunspot Cycle Predictions
MSFC Solar Physics Branch members Wilson, Hathaway, and Reichmann have studied the sunspot record for characteristic behavior that might help in predicting future sunspot activity. Our current predictions of solar activity for the next few years can be found at this link. Although sunspots themselves produce only minor effects on solar emissions, the magnetic activity that accompanies the sunspots can produce dramatic changes in the ultraviolet and soft x-ray emission levels. These changes over the solar cycle have important consequences for the Earth's upper atmosphere.



Poor lefties, don't know your own science.
last edited: 11/30/07 10:10:17 AM”

“( .... looong pause ... the spin-wheels are churning ..... )”

“Now that variable is dressed in rite, let us again try the closed garage- running car test.”

“"Fire bad!" � � Right guys?”

“Pardon me. I should have said ...

( .... loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong pause ... the spin-wheels are churning .....)”

“10 times as obnoxious?”

“The more I hear about Murdoch, the more it seems that he has no political agenda other than whatever makes more money. �He's a pure opportunist (like an infection, LOL).

The so-called Right was a market begging to be exploited and he jumped in with both feet.

He sees Hillary Clinton having a real chance at the presidency and contributes accordingly. �

He sees the cost of power generation rising and the PR benefits of "Going Green" and begins to manufacture an image to fit that reality.

This does cause confusion for the Fox fan base.... as when Bush admitted that man-made climate change is real or that there were no WMD in Iraq. �The 'true believers' have a huge emotional investment in previous Administration policies and pronouncements and reversing that kind of momentum is like trying to get a supertanker to make a U-turn at speed.

The old hollow talking points continue to bounce around.... for years.”

“woops, wrong thread lol
last edited: 12/02/07 10:03:37 AM”

“your problem is always going to be the same. Fox and Rush didn't create the fanbase. They just cashed in on it. I have no problem with that, its the American Way. The fanbase was already there and its still there. Unlike most people on the left, we believe what we believe because its our thought out philosophy on life, not because someone told us to think that way.”

“Talk about the middle at least once before the election next year- left this ,the right this - when do you silly fukin' coniberalatives get some room to think about the real world instead of your mental polarity problems?”

“What libbies don't get is that a conservative mindset, by definition, has been around way before Rush.”

“Comservative has the same definition as Clintoons' 'is', just about anything you want it to mean. Now , Neo-conazis are a different animal. They say they're conservatives, but don't follow the path and blame getting lost on the libbies when ever thing doesn't work out. What about when Clinton, Ah?”

“Hey sale, I live in the real world, work in the real world, pay a mortgage and taxes in the real world, raise a family in the real world, play in the real world. What plane of reality do you live on?

clinton is the only democrat president to compare to for teh last 25 years. If another party ever gets a president elected then we can have some other person to compare republican presidents to besides clinton.”

““your problem is always going to be the same. Fox and Rush didn't create the fanbase. They just cashed in on it. I have no problem with that, its the American Way. The fanbase was already there and its still there. Unlike most people on the left, we believe what we believe because its our thought out philosophy on life, not because someone told us to think that way.”
Hyway
10:08:52 AM
12/02/07

Undoubtedly there's always been a strong right-wing in the US. Murdoch has looked and succeeded in exploiting this. There was a niche in the market for this. People who like to be told that the rest of the world and the events in it tie in with their own experience.

The reason the impression comes that many on the right are being told what to think is that if you ever watch fox, or listen to one of the talk-radio shows, you can then go and hear this stuff being parroted back at you by many many people 'on the right'.

You see it here all the time. There's three posters who do it almost verbatim.

These news and entertainments shows selectively take a narrow focus and pick pick pick at it to try and destroy the whole argument. You can see it going on here many times a day. Find a thread and keep pulling until you see the whole thing come apart, or at least try.

Lets take the Republican debate. A fairly widely-held view was that most of the candidates come out of it looking pretty bad. What's on the radio the next morning or two (and on here) - the questioners were biased.

Lets not talk about how these people responded to the questions put before them (surely it's the answers that are important btw), what their opinions are and who will make the best candidate - lets talk about the questions.

More examples - lets not talk about global warming, lets make it about Al Gore.

Lets not make it about the issues in Iraq, lets talk about the media.

One that particularly stuck out with me was after Tenet's book came out one radio show paid almost no attention to what he said (it wasn't particularly favorable to the Administration) they just replayed and replayed a CBS interviewer's questions.

This is not to say there's no individual thought on the right, but it certainly is an endangered species on here.”

“I hope I'm one of those 3 posters, because I don't listen to Rush and I don't watch the Fox News Channel.

I actually am more likely to watch one of the libby "news" shows, like ABC, CBS, or NBC, but not publically funded PBS, that's way too libby for me.”

“y2, you lie.

There have been countless examples of people giving discussion on the issues you bring up, but instead of discussing those issues people like you only want to look at the times we mock you or rightfully call the mainstream press bias.”

“Has anyone seen that Ford commercial for the hybrid Explorer? A father is walking his daughter to the Explorer and she says, "Dad, I'd like you to drop me off a block away from the theater , OK? Because people in that part of town ride bikes and drive hybrids.". The father says, "Well this is a hybrid.". And everything is right with the world. I thought I was gonna puke. Do people actually buy this shlt as being genuine?

As I have said all along, this is about power and money.”

“He also needs to look at his daughter's education. The car has 'hybrid' written in big fecking letters on the back...... stupid b itch.”

“If you want to teach people that global warming is manmade then you must first make them ignorant and gullible. It looks like they are succeeding.”

“I think tech was referring to an 11 year sun cycle, not hte 70 year one in the retort.


N - I saw that commercial too. I want to be eco-conscious and also drive a trendy vehicle like Tilt, all at the same time. He's having his cake and eating it too, like all good Americans.”

“hey guys, dont forget to clean your broad paintbrushes when youre done using them”

“Ok, and thanks for letting me borrow it. I know you said it's an old, heavily-used one, but it still was mighty kind of you.”

“N - I saw that commercial too. I want to be eco-conscious and also drive a trendy vehicle like Tilt, all at the same time. He's having his cake and eating it too, like all good Americans.�
dayhiker
7:17:03 AM
12/03/07


The He's having his cake....I'm referring to is the guy in the commercial and not Tilt.”

“The one good thing about that commercial is the line after the little ungrateful brat asked why he never mentioned it and he said something like "I didn't think I needed to." Too many people wear their ecowarrior status like a badge to flash at everyone”

“You know one of the "Scientific Treaments" for children of some immigrants from Mehico is to give them a drink that includes...>GROUND WHITE LEAD...(LOL).”

“So white lead is a different thing than regular old lead? Where's that on the periodic table? I know where Pb is, is there a Pb(w)? Don't recall that from chemistry.”

“GREEN scientists have been accused of overstating the dangers of climate change by researchers who found that the number of people killed each year by weather-related disasters is falling.

Their report suggests that a central plank in the global warming argument � that it will result in a big increase in deaths from weather-related disasters � is undermined by the facts. It shows deaths in such disasters peaked in the 1920s and have been declining ever since.

Average annual deaths from weather-related events in the period 1990-2006 � considered by scientists to be when global warming has been most intense � were down by 87% on the 1900-89 average. The mortality rate from catastrophes, measured in deaths per million people, dropped by 93%.

The report by the Civil Society Coalition on Climate Change, a grouping of 41 mainly free-market bodies, comes on the eve of an international meeting on climate change in Bali.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2983816.ece

The RELIGION Takes another BIIIIG hit.”

“A couple other "central plank in the global warming argument", have been recently discredited. The hockey stick. The co2/temperature graph. The hurricane predictions. The global ice-shelf.

Wow. Not much left of their concocted arguments.

I'm sure they'll say "global warming both kills more people, and saves lives".”

“Two snow storms here in the last two days.

You know what they say: nothing causes more snow than man-made global warming!”

“Global warming can't be true - it doesn't fit a conservative agenda. You know anything that doesn't sit happily with my world view just isn't happening. and and and... but China and India aren't doing anything..... but but but Al gore has a big house.....but but but, it's not that cold today.... but but but this report funded by Exxon says global warming is a myth ... but but but... the sun is warm today..... but but but.....”

“here come the ad hominem's ... LMAO!

Hey, when a libbie is presented with evidence, it's Christian-right-Limbaugh propaganda; when they present evidence, it's the word of God Himself! riiiiight! LOL.”

“you boys didn't even both reading the rest of the artical you quoted from did you - you read the intro and stopped.


The number of deaths had fallen sharply because of better warning systems, improved flood defences and other measures. Poor countries remained most vulnerable.

The report by the Civil Society Coalition on Climate Change, a grouping of 41 mainly free-market bodies, comes on the eve of an international meeting on climate change in Bali.

See the thing is - you boys just follow the pattern I outlined above. Instead of looking at the big picture, the vast majority of work on the subject, for example the consensus that exists among climatologists on the causes of climate change - you get one little report comissioned by a bunch of rightists who don't like anything that doesn't fit with their agenda, and then use it to pick.

Ingore the main arguments, find something small that raises a few questions, then hit it hit it hit it. Pick pick pick. The funny thing is you can't even see you're doing it.

I'm not thinking they are really conservatives. They offer no ideas, just attacks on liberals.
They are just libby haters - no policies, no ideas, just hatred for libbies.
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