Global Warming

“We um Prefer the PRO Honesty....but everytime someone has been a heretic to the leading religion they are attacked....”

“Shell Oil Co.

"It's a waste of time to debate it," he said. "Policymakers have a responsibility to address it. The nation needs a public policy. We'll adjust." - President John Hofmeister : MSNBC: Shell Oil chief: U.S. needs global warming plan

British Petroleum
"Companies composed of highly skilled and trained people can't live in denial of mounting evidence gathered by hundreds of the most reputable scientists in the world."1,2 - Lord Browne. CEO

Wal-Mart
"Global warming is real, now, and it must be addressed." 1, 2, 3 - Lee Scott., CEO

Cinergy

If we stonewall this thing [carbon limitations] to five years out, all of a sudden the cost to us and ultimately to our consumers can be gigantic,"1 – James E. Rogers, manager of 20 coal fire plants

Duke Energy
"I have become personally engaged in one such issue—global climate change. In the past, Duke Energy has supported voluntary efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. In 2005, we decided it was time to take a more proactive leadership role and promote a federal, economy wide U.S. policy. We believe the best approach is a carbon tax, which would address greenhouse gas emissions from all sectors of the economy. A carbon tax would provide conservation incentives for everyone. It would promote higher utilization of power plants that are low emitters of carbon, and encourage low-carbon fuel choices for the future." -Paul Anderson, Chairman and CEO

National Association of Evangelicals
"But support on the issue has broadened. God's call on his people is to care for his creation." - Jim Jewell, serving (52 denominations serving 30 million parishioners) Businessweek, The Race Againse Climate Change, 12, 12, 2005

The Petition - 11,885+ individual scientists listed by name
A petition signed by 52 Nobel Laureates, 63 National Medal of Science recipients, 195 members of the National Academies, and over 11,885+ other scientists criticizing the misuse and politicization of science in Washington. The list is continually growing so these are minimum numbers. Here is an excerpt from that petition:”

“No um reference locations....HUH?”

“yep, click on the link http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/consensus.htm I posted above. Lots of links through to a whole bunch of stuff. Maybe you should read it.”

“But then it might all start to make sense to them, Y2. We wouldn't want that to happen!”

“Again, somewhere in between the left and right buttock of the beast the truth lurks in hiding from all the exaggerated wing flapping and squawking, but until the wings are trimmed back and the voice of bull#&%!$ abates, we will coninue to fry in the freezer.”

“(said the global warming fear-mongor) ...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071211101623.htm

New Study Increases Concerns About Climate Model Reliability

A new study comparing the composite output of 22 leading global climate models with actual climate data finds that the models do an unsatisfactory job of mimicking climate change in key portions of the atmosphere.

This research, published online in the Royal Meteorological Society's International Journal of Climatology, raises new concerns about the reliability of models used to forecast global warming.

...”

“"Nonetheless, that study concluded that since both the surface and upper atmosphere trends were [b]somewhere in that broad range of model results, any disagreement between the climate data and the models was probably due to faulty data.[/b]

Oh dear - I bet you didn't even read all the way to the bottom of the page did you.”

“Yeeehaw!!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_bi_ge/auto_emissions_california;_ylt=AmI_DZJa7iCQT5Tujkj5ix6s0NUE”

“To hell with facts, if it's rite, it's right.”

“Oh dear - I bet you didn't even read all the way to the bottom of the page did you.

Did you?

"We think our experiment is more robust and provides more meaningful results."

She was talking about the OTHER (less robust) study. Did you read the middle when she introduced the study she was talking about?!

LMAO!

OUTTA DA PARK!

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“None of this matters. A state like California, which has termendous power politically, economically, etc. and is known as a green state, will force the global warming defiance hand. We've got the support, money and political muscle to mandate environmentally beneficial change. Whether the rest of the world comes along for the ride is up for debate but believe it, the way things are being done is gonna change to the benefit of reducing global warming.

The is already concurrence from the decidedly conservative Supreme Court.”

“LOL! "It doesn't matter" if it's a real problem. We'll "fix" it anyways!

Klassik!”

“My point is, Sarge, that since numbskulls like you can't see the negative connotations associated with activities that are harming the environment, you'll be forced to do it anyway by the environmentally conscious majority.

Though I gotta say, there's a certain amount of satisfaction in seeing the naysers forced to DO the actions that anyone with a half a brain should be doing voluntarily anyway.”

“LOL sounds like someone is taking a page from the Islamo Terrorists (If you don't believe us you are HERETICS)...I wonder how long until they begin demanding executions for heresy to the HighChurch of Global Warming....?”

“David H. Douglass.... hmmmmmm.

Seems he's a contributing writer for heardland.org - Exxon funded group.

"He is a harsh critic of Al Gore and other global warming popularizers and is known to end his talks with an image of the former vice president juxtaposed with the mushroom cloud of a nuclear explosion in order to underscore his dislike of Gore's ideas."
- that's a wikipedia source, so pinch of salt with that one.

Doesn't sound like he starts his studdies with an agenda at all does it.
last edited: 12/12/07 12:33:54 PM”

“Oh yeah. Very comparable, XL.

It's so pathetically funny that you guys claim to be "real" outdoors people, but really don't want to do anything to protect it if it infringes on your lifestyles.

And hey, what about that good American, John McCain?

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said he believed climate change was real. "I've been involved in this issue since the year 2000. I have had hearings. I've traveled the world," he said. "It's real, we've got to address it...and I'm confident that we can pass on to our children and grandchildren a cleaner, better world." Giuliani also said he believed that climate change was occurring.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/GOP_faceoff_gives_Iowans_one_last_1212.html
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“Where's that Arizona Bus?”

“y2 - what happened? You changed the subject ...

LOL! The people who are against Al Gore have an "agenda", but the ones that support him don't? Wow!

So, are you going to admit you screwed up?”

“The only way McCain became famous was he zigged when he should have zagged.....”

“Sarge , do the critics of Gorebal Warning spend way more energy trying to discredit it than is spent promoting it by the other fools?”

“Y2 went to the site you quoted...you read any of the socialist CRAP and tripe being put out by the referenced "pointy heads???"""


LOL....RIIIIIGHT. ”

“Lessee, in today's GOP debate:

Ultimately, no one disputed that it was a problem and humans at least contribute to it.

"I know it's real," said Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who advocates legislation to tackle the problem.

"Climate change is real. It's happening. Human beings are contributing to it," agreed Giuliani.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_el_pr/republicans_debate;_ylt=AryPaD5jj1ntbbFQsoy9A1as0NUE

Oh no!”

“No, you were right Sarge - they were talking about the other research and not their own.

Your whole argument just fits into the concepts outlined above. Find one of the tiny proportion of scientists who are in denial, and give them more weight than their work deserves. It's just very predictable.

I'm sure this guy is hoping this work will lead to more work to be done for heartland and maybe even a spot as a talking head on Fox.

Most serious scientists at least try to be unbiased in their research rather than using pictures of Al Gore in their presentations.

If any climatologist based his presentations on Bush or Cheney I'd find them ridiculous too.

I'm sure it must annoy you but this is not about Al Gore - really it isn't.”

“you're so ful of Chit XL.

No you didn't.

CEOs at Shell, BP, GE, Cinergy, Duke Energy are not socialists you know.”

“See the funny thing is these boys here don't think they are 'Wackos' - yet day after day they prove they are further to the right than any of the Republican candidates, even when these candidates are trying to appeal to the right-wing base.”

“I'm just enjoying it all.

Who are XL, Sarge and Stovie gonna vote for?

The one who believes in global warming and that humans are helping it along, or the one who believes in global warming and that humans are helping it along?”

“So many psychics on this board.....they know exactly how people think.”

“do the critics of Gorebal Warning spend way more energy trying to discredit it than is spent promoting it by the other fools?”
salebored
3:03:05 PM
12/12/07


I'll bite: Uh, I don't know salebored. Do they?

(oh boy I just can't wait for his answer!)”

“Well not really NonC - it's a response to the views people stake out on here - typically on the Fuego threads. And if they are just doing it to annoy some 'libbies' then frankly that makes them a #&%!$ who deserves no respect whatsoever.
last edited: 12/12/07 1:38:24 PM”

“LOL...so you think the "CEO's" who are pushing the High Church of Global Warming...are doing it out of love and caring for MANKIND???WTF? (do they drug test at your place of employment?)

I can bet you if you FOLLOW the money you will find almost all of them have a way to work into the "carbon credits pyramid scam"..just like ALBERT they know how to MAKE money...and you libbies know how to BEG for free money....”

“No, you were right Sarge - they were talking about the other research and not their own.

Not only was I right, but more importantly, you were wrong.
last edited: 12/13/07 5:55:18 AM”

“yet day after day they prove they are further to the right than any of the Republican candidates

That's one thing you've said that I agree with. I most certainly am more "right" than any of the tax and spend Republicans out there.”

““Sarge , do the critics of Gorebal Warning spend way more energy trying to discredit it than is spent promoting it by the other fools?”

I sure hope so, considering the gw alarmists want to use their lie to expand the powers of the government.”

“That's one thing you've said that I agree with. I most certainly am more "right" than any of the tax and spend Republicans out there.”

Borrow and spend Republicans - then you'd be talkin'. Tax and spend my ass.”

“Borrow!? LOL. Hey salebored, I'm gonna come over to your house when you're not home and "borrow" a few things ... pass 'em out to my friends later on. I'm sure you won't mind.”

“At least you wingers compare Gorebal Warning to the silly religions ,so many of you treasure. That hypocritical honesty is more proof that both sides are really the bomb bay under the tail of Buzzard Bipolar Americana.”

“... coming from the arch-bishop of the non-winger religious fanaticism, where "reality" needs to take a warm sudsy bath.”

“I'd consider faith if you drink the bath water”

“apparently you have a bit too much faith”

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Science academies call for climate action
By Janet Raloff
June 10th, 2008
Web edition

Our National Academy of Sciences and its counterparts in a dozen other nations issued a joint statement today calling on world leaders to “to limit the threat of climate change” by weaning themselves off of their dependence on fossil fuels. They also called for a move to sustainable resource use – which, as we all know, would not include the continued full-throttle mining of finite, millions-of-years-old coal, oil, and natural gas.

The academies that issued the request for action are known as the G8 (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States) plus 5 (the largest developing countries: China, India, Brazil, Mexico, and South Africa). These science academies represent some nations that do not yet work together on discussing, much less tackling, climate change.

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“I hope those cars are electric.”

“Wind up clown cars, he he he he

Funny stuff!”

“Skiers loving Mt. Hood after Oregon gets 3-4 inches of global warming in June

http://www.kptv.com/news/16565168/detail.html”

““Irrelevant.”
Sarge
4:11:43 PM
3/07/08”

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Global Boiling

The evidence for the consequences of global warming is appearing with alarming frequency. This morning's headlines are filled with tales of deadly weather: "At least four people were killed and about 40 injured when a tornado tore through a Boy Scout camp in western Iowa on Wednesday night"; "two people are dead in northern Kansas after tornadoes cut a diagonal path across the state"; "[t]wo Maryland men with heart conditions died this week" from the East Coast heat wave. These eight deaths come on top of reports earlier this week that the heat wave "claimed the lives of 17 people" and the wave of deadly storms killed 11 more: "six in Michigan, two in Indiana and one each in Iowa and Connecticut," as well as one man in New York. Tornadoes this year are being reported at record levels. States of emergency have been declared in Minnesota, California, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Michigan because of floods and wildfires. Counties in Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, South Dakota, and Wisconsin have been declared disaster areas due to the historic flooding that has breached dams, inundated towns, and caused major crop damage, sending commodity futures to new records. The floodwaters are continuing down the Mississippi River, with "crests of 10 feet or more above flood level" for "at least the next two weeks."


Hmmm ... That's very interesting, because global temperature data shows a 3/4 degree Celsius drop in temperatures since January 2007.

I wonder if perhaps there isn't a causal relationship?

Either way, I'm certain there is not global warming. I mean ... the temperature is cooler.

Maybe "warming" means "cooling"?”