Global Warming

“How braindead do you have to be to believe what coal companies say about climate change, much less repeat it in public? � I mean, we know where these stories come from. � We even know how much the Western Fuels Assoc, ExxonMobil, etc. PAID people to spread them around.

Do you still believe what Armstrong Williams wrote about "No Child Left Behind"?

good grief.”

“tilt, what source is acceptable to you that provides the avg. global temperature for any month in 1998, and any measured month in 2008?

Please post the temperatures here. Thanks.

You can post all the months through June if you want.”

“... as he exits stage left.

- salebored”

“Coldest summer in Alaska ever?

http://www.adn.com/life/story/473786.html”

“..and we'll see about the summer. The summer melt of fresh water floats over the heavier warm salt water currents flowing north. It all fits the model of how global warming can cause high latitude ice ages 9 (not McCain), while the rest of the planet heats up.”

“by "rest of the planet heats up", do you mean the global temperature decreases over the last 10 years?”

“Cherry picker science.”

“I welcome you to choose your favorite source and post the numbers here, as I previously did for tiltTiltBLAM.

.. silence ...”

“Global temperature is not that different from the long history of stock index prices. Whenever certain individuals determine the content of the indices, the results will follow their desired intent (or intarptent).”

“fact: global warming is, by definition, an increased average global temperature

fact: the alarmists have repeatedly claimed that as more CO2 is pumped into the atmosphere, by man, the global temperature will rise

fact: we have pumped more CO2 in the air in the last decade than any other time in history

fact: in the last decade the average global temperature has decreased

fact: tiltTiltBLAM disputes that and claims that any source I read that from is financed by oil companies

fact: I invited him, and you salebored, to post figures of the average global temperature change from 1998 to 2008

fact: you both have declined

fact: you are both wrong

fact: man-made global warming is b.s.
last edited: 7/25/08 5:36:29 AM”

“
Updated July 24, 2008 � 3:56 p.m.
Republican Boycott Blocks Senate Panel Vote on EPA Subpoena
By Avery Palmer, CQ Staff

The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee canceled a vote Thursday to subpoena the EPA administrator after Republicans boycotted the meeting.

Under committee rules, two Republicans must be present in order to achieve a quorum. Chairwoman Barbara Boxer , a Democrat who represents California, is seeking a draft document the EPA prepared late last year that found that greenhouse gas emissions endanger public welfare.

The EPA draft was part of a response to a 2007 Supreme Court decision that found greenhouse gases were pollutants under the Clean Air Act. If the EPA decides emissions endanger the public, the next step would be regulations to limit those emissions.

The EPA forwarded the document to the White House in an e-mail message in December. The White House then refused to open the document and asked EPA officials to retract it.

--- (oh yes, there�s more) ---



Somebody should tell Duhbya to click where it says �Send/Receive� and then double-click on that email. � And Golly Gee Whiz.... � more criminally negligent behavior from Inhofe and the rest of those clowns. � What a sad joke. � Are they trying to give Obama a filibuster-proof majority to work with?

Remember the line from Absence of Malice� when the Quaker Oats guy says, �What did you think you�d do after government service?�

Inhofe et al. will still be working for the energy companies�. � Only WE won�t be paying their salaries, THANK GOD.

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“What a sad joke.


Agreed.”

“Believe what you wish. The whole CO2 warming craze (or cooling) is but a diversion from the direct heat and polution created by burning ancient stored energy. Moving the experience of a closed garage with a running car to a scale and complication beyond human comprehension is the same old religious tactics used for centuries.”

“I will believe what I wish.

And whst I wish to believe is that when somebody tells me that our very recent acts of burning ancient stored energy at alarming rates is causing global warming, that the temperature would actually be rising.”

“Burning strawmen made of last years crop,

will chase away the spirits that cause temps to drop.”

“poems are gay”

“diversion from the direct heat and polution - salebored

Exactly, it's sort of like in Ringworld - the Puppeteer worlds fleeing the galactic core explosion, being able to survive without a sun because of all the waste heat from industry on the planets.

Hold the phone!!! Maybe we can move the Earth closer and further away from the sun to compensate for how much we've warmed or cooled the climate. Good stuff. I'm calling the EPA.
last edited: 7/25/08 9:23:53 AM”

“I say we declare a "war on the sun" and make plans for an invasion.

There may be casualties, but that's war.
last edited: 7/25/08 9:28:34 AM”

“Not if we attack at night.”

“A brilliant plan!”

“Never mind, Chryler just announced they will do no more leases of their cars. We're saved!”

“CA. AG Cracks Down On Nestle Bottling Plant


http://cbs13.com/local/nestle.bottling.plant.2.782999.html”

“
July 30, 2008

Steve Cole
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-0918
stephen.e.cole@nasa.gov

Alan Buis
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
818-354-0474
alan.buis@jpl.nasa.gov

RELEASE: 08-189

OCEAN SURFACE TOPOGRAPHY MISSION/JASON 2 BEGINS MAPPING OCEANS

WASHINGTON -- Less than a month after launch, the NASA-French space
agency Ocean Surface Topography Mission (OSTM)/Jason 2 oceanography
satellite has produced its first complete maps of global ocean
surface topography, surface wave height and wind speed.

The new data will help scientists monitor changes in global sea level
and the distribution of heat in the ocean. This information is used
to monitor climate change and ocean circulation, and to enable more
accurate weather, ocean and climate forecasts. The data reveal
patterns of sea level anomalies, which are used by scientists to
calculate the speed and direction of ocean surface currents.

The new mission extends a 16-year continuous record of global sea
level measurements begun in 1992 by the NASA/Centre National d'Etudes
Spatiales (CNES) TOPEX/Poseidon mission and continued by the two
agencies on Jason 1, launched in 2001. Data from TOPEX/Poseidon and
Jason 1 shows that mean sea level has been rising by about .12 inches
a year since 1993.

The new maps were generated from the first 10 days of data collected
once the new satellite reached its operational orbit of 830 miles on
July 4. OSTM/Jason 2 and its predecessor, Jason 1, now are flying in
formation in the same orbit approximately 55 seconds apart, making
nearly simultaneous measurements that are allowing scientists to
precisely calibrate the new satellite's instruments. Comparisons of
data from the two satellites on sea-level anomalies, significant wave
height and ocean wind speed all show very close correlation of all
measured parameters.

"These initial observations from OSTM/Jason 2 compare very closely to
those of Jason 1," said Lee-Lueng Fu, OSTM/Jason 2 project scientist
at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "To be able to
collect such high-quality science data within a month of launch
breaks previous records. It is also a direct reflection of how mature
the field of satellite altimetry has become and of the seamless
cooperation of our international team."

The satellite's first radar altimeter data were acquired just 48 hours
after its launch on June 20 from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif.,
on a Delta II rocket. CNES processed the first test results, followed
by more advanced data results a week after launch. The more advanced
results were produced after calculating the precise location of the
satellite's preliminary orbits. The satellite, its instruments and
ground segment all are functioning properly. After it has been fully
calibrated and validated, the satellite will begin providing
oceanographic products to users around the world.

OSTM/Jason 2 is an international endeavor, with responsibilities for
satellite development and launch shared between NASA and CNES. CNES
provided the OSTM/Jason 2 spacecraft, NASA provided the launch, and
NASA and CNES jointly provided the primary payload instruments. CNES
and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) are
responsible for satellite operations, while JPL is managing the
mission for NASA. Data processing is being carried out by CNES, the
European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological
Satellites (EUMETSAT) and NOAA, depending on the type of product.

After on-orbit commissioning of OSTM/Jason 2 is completed, CNES will
hand over mission operations and control to NOAA, which then will
join with EUMETSAT to generate, archive and distribute data products
to users worldwide.

For more information about OSTM/Jason 2, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ostm


-end-

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“in related news, global temperatures are lower then they were 10 years ago.”

““in related news, global temperatures are lower then they were 10 years ago.”
cookiemonster
12:05:29 PM
7/30/08

Good to know. Now can we focus on the acid rain that is still killing the lakes and ponds in the Adirondacks?”

“dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb”

“We can't have Mommy Government regulating coal-fired power plants to the west that are sending all that stuff east.

Just buck up and forget about all that silly fishing.
...........and who needs Adirondack Spruce trees anyway?
last edited: 7/30/08 9:29:08 AM”

“Don't worry tilt, you'll figure it out eventually. Stop hitting yourself over the head about it.”

“Hopefully it's meaningful research. It's been very warm here the last few days but it seems like we were buried under snow and ice just a few months ago. Tired of that nonsense.”

“"......it seems like we were buried under snow and ice just a few months ago."

Is that because you were?”

“How many of you global warming alarmists have signed a petition to drill?”

“The 20th century had Big Foot & the Lochness Monster.

The 21st century has global warming and Al Gore.”

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Special interests have blocked transition to our renewable energy future. Instead of moving heavily into renewable energies, fossil companies choose to spread doubt about global warming, as tobacco companies discredited the smoking-cancer link. Methods are sophisticated, including funding to help shape school textbook discussions of global warming.

CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.

Conviction of ExxonMobil and Peabody Coal CEOs will be no consolation, if we pass on a runaway climate to our children. Humanity would be impoverished by ravages of continually shifting shorelines and intensification of regional climate extremes. Loss of countless species would leave a more desolate planet.

If politicians remain at loggerheads, citizens must lead. We must demand a moratorium on new coal-fired power plants. We must block fossil fuel interests who aim to squeeze every last drop of oil from public lands, off-shore, and wilderness areas. Those last drops are no solution. They yield continued exorbitant profits for a short-sighted self-serving industry, but no alleviation of our addiction or long-term energy source.

Dr. James Hansen�s testimony before the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming
23 June 2008

http://www.tipping-points.com/?p=32#more-32


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“ah, poor baby. Watcha gunna do? cry? grow a pair.

If you want renewable energy so bad, get your libby friends together from across America and invest in a new company and stop crying. This is America. Act like it. Stop waiting for mommy government to do everything for you.”

“Reality is already catching up with you, but you're too pig-headed to see it.”

“tilt, how much money do you make selling power back to the electric company from your wind turbine?

How long do the batteries last in your electric car?

Was your investments in alternative energy companies adversely affected by the wall street crisis?”

“Sarge is a different case altogether.

He thinks his God gave him 'dominion' over the Earth to destroy it if he feels like it.

Besides ---- the Rapture is coming. � He wants to die and take the whole world with him in some kind of psuedoreligious frenzy. � He reminds me of people who kill their children to save them from The Devil.

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“hmmm, do you even have a wind turbine? or an electric car? or a financial investment in an alternative energy company?

If not, then instead of telling everyone else what to do with their money maybe you should just STFU”

“The story has been out for years about how much the fossil fuels industry pays frauds to try to discredit the science and the scientists�. � which they will no doubt continue to do until they can either diversify or develop their own stake in alternate energy production.

They can plainly see the writing on the wall (along with their investors and underwriters).

In the meantime, it�s entertaining to see how some are now trying to play both sides of the street.

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“If you want renewable war so bad, get your monger friends together from across America and invest in a new company and stop crying. This is America. Act like it. Stop waiting for mommy government to do everything for you.�”

“Temper temper....

See? � You can compose complete sentences when you want to.

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“tiltz, the difference between you and me is that I walk the walk. You're all about talking the talk.”

“And look � ---- �It can rhyme.

Thanks for keeping this up near the top. � Couldna done it without-cha, ya buncha mavericks, � � < WINK >



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“Glad we can work together to expend more energy and destroy the environment as a team.

< WINK >”

“so tilt doesn't generate his own energy utilizing renewable sources (the wind). He drives a combustion engine vehicle and he doesn't give financial support to alternative energy companies. Way to back up your principles. oh wait, I forgot. You don't have any.”

“What the hell do they care ----- they'll be dead. But the people who come later are going to be pissed. We just wasted twenty years we couldn't afford to waste and the dimbulbs want to waste another twenty.

Maybe Carlin was right.... Are humans simply too greedy and stupid to survive?

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“tiltTiltBLAM demands everone except himself to save energy, while he cranks that A/C down in the Georgia summers.

His rules don't apply to himself.”