Global Warming

“I'll give it a full round, but if this subject of the White House editing official government reports on global warming come back confirmed as dirty, I might have to re-adjust my position about impeachment proceedings against this "Administration".
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“Yikes! Wrong subject. Sorry for the incorrect thread subject. ;-)”

“It's okay Stovie, I did notice the lack of the word 'libbie', but ,at least you didn't mess up an use 'Scouter'.”

“scooter knot scouter.”

“I finally saw An Inconvenient Truth last night.


Day-um. Very good stuff, presented nicely.




Ok righties, get all tighty about it................NOW!”

“techntrek and Al (Gore)...
sitting in a tree..... ;-)”

“"He has worked so hard to paint himself and the Conservative party green, but Prime Minister Stephen Harper is having a bad week. First a letter that he wrote in 2002 sent to members of his party popped up: "We're gearing up for the biggest struggle our party has faced since you entrusted me with the (Alliance) leadership. I'm talking about the `battle of Kyoto' – our campaign to block the job-killing, economy-destroying Kyoto accord."... "(The accord is) based on tentative and contradictory scientific evidence about climate trends.".... "It focuses on carbon dioxide, which is essential to life, rather than upon pollutants." (Hey, we've heard that before!) and our fave, " "Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations." ::the Star Now this was written almost five years ago when he was not a conservative but leader of an Alberta-based very right-wing Alliance Party, and he may have had a Damascus Road Experience since, so we might give him a little slack, but..... "

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/01/stephen_harpers.php”

“Curious SS, have you seen the movie? Not asking just to slam you one way or the other, I'm just really curious if you have sat down and watched it (and the addendum that was filmed a year later - its in the "extras" on the DVD).”

“Sorry tech, but the Warming issue is political science, not real hard science.”

“That answers my question.

You would see the real hard science if you watched the movie. That's what 75% of the movie is.”

“tech, just yanking your chain a bit.

I have had as much hard science and math as most anyone on this forum.
I've even taken a couple of Weather classes, because I was single handed offshore sailing at the time.
Weather is not a hard science and the Warming issue has turned into just more guys screaming only they have the answer.
Gov grants has a big input also.

Anyone that screams only they have all the answers is a kook.”

“A yachty Ah? after 22 years of living in the desert as far as I could get from salt water, I'm finally getting to the point ,I may consider stepping on one those things again.”

“SS, these from the same people who believed Fahrenheit 911 (LOL)

right guys...keep it up its ENVY of success pure and simple. Since you cannot fathom what it will take to be successful...you decide you will get Mommy Government to make the rest of us stop being successful.”

“How's that government paycheck treatin' ya, Momma's Boy?”

“Yes, I always try to get my hard science from movies, biased reporters, and the internet, XL. ;-)
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“Why is mArkO dissin' his own self?”

“Marky's mad...must have fouled up the drapes again and he is feeling low. Oh Marky just so you will know...its Wednesday at 5PM I will have 45 hours already on the CLOCK.”

“sorry, but real science has not found any proof that humans are having more then a negligable effect on global warming.

I am all for conservation but the chicken little's are really getting annoying....”

“The use of the qualifiers 'bad' and 'real' is political science. Blame the bad scientist ,but not the method.”

“I am for Personal Responsibilty in conservation, I have gone to the lower usage Flourescent lights, drive a more fuel efficient car (A LOT SMALLER THAN THE SUV's THE ENVIROWACKOS SEEM TO DRIVE) and I take actions to limit my '$$$" expenditures...but I do not see where it is my responsibility to ask the Government to tell my neighbor to do the same.

This is my central point...there are people who are sadly envious of other's success. If they cannot or will not take the actions to become successful they feel satisfied if they can make a government do it. Then they can cowardly claim they were not involved.

The problem is it seems okay when the US government is doing it...but one day we may see the UN doing it...”

“"sorry, but real science has not found any proof that humans are having more then a negligable effect on global warming."


Primary source?”

“Seems some are keeping an open mind.....

"Warming 'very likely' due to man, report to say
Negotiators also tie bigger storms to warming; other details still debated"

PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-awaited report will say that recent global warming was “very likely” caused by human activity — a significant change from an earlier report but less than the “virtually certain” phrase that some had championed.

The officials also approved language that said an increase in hurricane and tropical cyclone strength since 1970 “more likely than not” can be attributed to man-made warming, according to delegates Leonard Fields of Barbados and Cedric Nelom of Surinam.

In its last report in 2001, the same panel had said there was not enough evidence to make such a conclusion.

Rest of story”

“A 'Flat earth' is the ideal place for 'A Raq fight'. Burn 'Objectivity' at the stake of humans very existence.”

“"This is my central point...there are people who are sadly envious of other's success. If they cannot or will not take the actions to become successful they feel satisfied if they can make a government do it. Then they can cowardly claim they were not involved." - XL

Hmmm, I'd say I'm very successful XL. I graduated Summa Cume Laude and received a Merit Award from my college for my achievements there. I'll be at 6 figures within the next 2 or 3 years. I know you ain't makin' that kind of dough at your government job. Let me repeat that... government job. Yes, with all your ranting and raving about how government shouldn't take over our lives, you work for a gov't agency that very much takes over our lives (fire regulations, etc). And you get your paycheck from it. Hypocrite.

So I'm not envious of other's success, am I? I've got plenty of my own success, thank you. Oh, and the source of my paycheck? Government. My up-line boss is Bush (unfortunately).

So get off your high horse about envy and big bad gov't. You should quit your job today if you feel that way.”

“And the real reason I stopped by this thread..


Gore has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. http://robots.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/01/gore.nobel.ap/index.html”

“LOL
That sure says a lot about how far the Nobel Peace Prize has dropped.”

“Yeah, so was Arafat.

Hollywood is just drooling at the mouth to give him an Oscar too.”

“I'll be at 6 figures within the next 2 or 3 years Tech

Um Tech you don't count the numbers on the right of the decimal point (LOL)....

You forgot Bathroom and Milk Monitor

WOW the envy is springing up...dude be happy with who you are.”

“Lobbyist have contaminated the 'Dynamite Peace Prize Committee'?”

“With all due respect XL works for the local government. Being a good little libertarian he supports state and local government over the federal government having power to decide for the states and locals. Am I incorrect?”

“Yep, I get all my hard science from Hollywood movies.
LOL”

“Mixing equal parts of ,'Capitolism and capitalism', and.....”

“XL, I am very happy with who I am. I did very well in college, I have a strong religious belief, make big bucks (to the left of the decimal LOL), with a good job with excellent benefits, have a loving wife and kids in a very nice house in the woods in the country. I know I'm very fortunate and I thank God in prayer for that every day.

Sorry you envy me so much that all you can do is poke a lame joke about it or two. I'm sure you thought I was a j-smokin' treehugger working for McDonalds at minimum wage on the weekdays so I could go hug some trees at big anti-oil rallys on the weekends. You now see you were wrong, and I'm certainly not envious of your success, desiring to destroy it at the first opportunity.

No, I enjoy my gov't job and understand there are some instances where gov't is necessary - that's why we don't live under an anarchist society. It must provide fire service (do you know anything about that? LOL), social services, and prevent people and big businesses from taking advantage of our free economy by dumping massive pollutants on us as they make big bucks. And when it fails, it then needs to reign in the bad boys and take measures that ensure life on earth will be possible in 100 years.

Your other choices are dictatorships, socialism, or anarchy. I'll take what we have.”

“Nigal, I agree that as much power as possible needs to be at the local/state level. Power to the people. However, global warming is an international issue, which puts the federal gov't in the position of power by necessity. And I'll point out that many of the regs that come from XL's own line of expertise reach all the way up to the national level. For instance, many of the National Electrical Codes that all local jurisdictions have adopted have come from fire safety issues. They are adopted at the local level, but only in name. In actuality eveyone in the nation uses the same ones (some wait a year or two to adopt), they don't make up their own from county to county. A national organization stepped in before Congress had to, otherwise it would have ended up being a national law.
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“"Yep, I get all my hard science from Hollywood movies.
LOL”
StoveStomper"

Oh, come now. We all know you get your information from those silly cartoons and internet blogs. Duh!”

“Got to keep it at a level your type can understand, Robin.
LOL”

“I should point out that I support my fellow green "j-smokin' treehugger[s] working for McDonalds at minimum wage on the weekdays so [they can] go hug some trees at big anti-oil rallys on the weekends". I just work at the problem from where I stand, which doesn't include big rallies on the weekend.

I believe there are many more greenies out there that just haven't come out of the closet yet.”

“here is a link for the chicken littles to chew on

http://nov55.com/gbwm.html

and about the ice cores...

http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/index.html

speculation and assumption while at the heart of the scientific process does not make them factual. Critiqued evidence is the only standard of proof allowed. All else is just junk science.”

“Gore uses that same graph (2nd link) in his presentation. Good support of Gore's arguments in that link, so I'm not sure why you posted it since it contradicts your first link.”

“Lumber --

A few thoughts on your biologist source.

His "hypothesis" leans on the notion that the oceans are the cause of increased warming, and not human induced activities. He uses the worn-out premise of water vapor plays a bigger role than CO2, do in part that CO2 accounts for very little amount of atmospheric composition.

Also, he typecasts himself as a "renegade", or "maverick" voice against the usual "MSM", or in this case "Main Stream Science" many have used in the past as well. It's sexy to be the opposition voice; there are a few out there like this guy that seek their fame, outside of their expertise field, I might add, too. This guy is not a climatologist or an environmental geologist. He is not peer-reviewed on his "theory", which is a crucial part of lending credibility in the field of science. This is like getting an opinion about your heart from a proctologist; I wouldn't trust his opinion on the matter and I suggest you don't trust this guy's either.

Look for peer-reviewed stuff; it's out there. This guy is out of his league. Our own United States government agencies are, and have been, releasing data that confirm a direct correlation between the natural global warming cycle and the recent exacerbation of this cycle by present-day human activities.”

“ha --
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“Dum... dum... duuum!”

“I dont see any contradiction techntrek, global warming is pretty much a fact. What remains to be seen is proof that humans are causeing it. So far the only reasonable and remotely creditable evidence Ive seen is that the chinese cut down all their rain forests to make room for rice patties about the same time as co2 began to rise. (long before the industrial revolution)

One thing that is very clear is that there will be a new ice age soon and we can not stop it.”

“I started to post that at 1:37, but I thought I better double check with my source beforehand --- don't want to 'pull a Scooter'! LOL


Expect fireworks with the release of the next IPCC report tomorrow.”

“Look for peer-reviewed stuff; it's out there

peer-reviewed, shmeer-reviewed. if i dont FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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like global warming, then it isnt”

“Well, shriek like a two-year-old why don'cha? LMAO!!”

“"if i dont FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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like global warming, then it isnt"


True, funny and sad.”