Global Warming

“Then what was the point of posting it on the global warming thread?


BTW, I do have ESPN.
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“To piss t*lt off. ;-)”

“Well at least you're being honest about your trolling.”

“Poor little t*lt.”

“Freeze watch for NY in June”
Stovie
6:59:38 AM
6/01/09

Low watt.........”

“FYI, it snowed in the Adirondacks yesterday.”

“North Country weather would scare the doo doo out of some of those way-down-south guys.”

“markOdumbO”

“To support Strat...

http://www.dailytech.com/NASA+Study+Acknowledges+Solar+Cycle+Not+Man+Responsible+for+Past+Warming/article15310.htm

Some researchers believe that the solar cycle influences global climate changes. They attribute recent warming trends to cyclic variation. Skeptics, though, argue that there's little hard evidence of a solar hand in recent climate changes.

Now, a new research report from a surprising source may help to lay this skepticism to rest. A study from NASA�s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland looking at climate data over the past century has concluded that solar variation has made a significant impact on the Earth's climate. The report concludes that evidence for climate changes based on solar radiation can be traced back as far as the Industrial Revolution.”

“So its worse, then they thought, not only Man is causing global warming but flutuations in the Sun's solar radiation. Whats left....the Shift in the Earth's Magnetic poles. Is that why Tilt is named Tilt? Save me Tilt Pleeease”

“T*lt's GOD is Al Gore.”

“Your body and computer heat are causing global warming right now. It doesn't involve carbon counting and CO2 green house effect and all that religious guilt science. Everything you do on this planet creates heat in one way or the other, so quantify your use of the term 'man made global warming' whenever you dishonestly deny it.”

“Gotta love it when they selectively snip things out and rephrase to mislead people. What Dan has posted is some twisted blog entry about some Other article. � In the blog Dan quoted they said there was some "new research report," LOL �---- there was no 'report,' no study, no research, no abstract, nothing. � They DID include a link to the original article, assuming correctly that lazy people like Dan who wanted to believe their lie so badly would never look at the original.

I'll post the entire "new reasearch report" so you can see where reasoning lapsed and wishful thinking took over. � But Before I Do....

I knew Dr. Robert Cahalan when I was at the Climate and Radiation Branch (Code 913) at Goddard. He was the head of the Branch and still is. They were located in Building 22 at the time but have since moved.

http://climate.gsfc.nasa.gov/

When I was there 'Climate' was a oversized HP pizza box running HP-UX 9.5

I'm still in contact with people there (we swap jokes about once a week) so I'll zip them a message and see if I can get you some Real inside dope.

As Professor Dan has been told numerous times, the 'Radiation' in the name of the Branch IS solar radiation. Solar radiation is what drives climate so it is integral to every study and climate model.

But some crank like Stratd00d pops up here every couple of months and blabbers "What About tha SUN?!?"

This is just the Climate version of Short Attention Span Theatre.



Solar Variability: Striking A Balance With Climate Change
ScienceDaily (May 12, 2008)

The sun has powered almost everything on Earth since life began, including its climate. The sun also delivers an annual and seasonal impact, changing the character of each hemisphere as Earth's orientation shifts through the year. Since the Industrial Revolution, however, new forces have begun to exert significant influence on Earth's climate.

"For the last 20 to 30 years, we believe greenhouse gases have been the dominant influence on recent climate change," said Robert Cahalan, climatologist at NASA�s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

For the past three decades NASA scientists have investigated the unique relationship between the sun and Earth. Using space-based tools, like the Solar Radiation and Climate Experiment (SORCE), they have studied how much solar energy illuminates Earth, and explored what happens to that energy once it penetrates the atmosphere. The amount of energy that reaches Earth's outer atmosphere is called the total solar irradiance. Total solar irradiance is variable over many different timescales, ranging from seconds to centuries due to changes in solar activity.

The sun goes through roughly an 11-year cycle of activity, from stormy to quiet and back again. Solar activity often occurs near sunspots, dark regions on the sun caused by concentrated magnetic fields. The solar irradiance measurement is much higher during solar maximum, when sunspot cycle and solar activity is high, versus solar minimum, when the sun is quiet and there are usually no sunspots.

"The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth's global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius, slightly hotter during solar maximum and cooler during solar minimum," said Thomas Woods, solar scientist at the University of Colorado in Boulder. "The sun is currently at its minimum, and the next solar maximum is expected in 2012."

Using SORCE, scientists have learned that about 1,361 watts per square meter of solar energy reaches Earth's outermost atmosphere during the sun's quietest period. But when the sun is active, 1.3 watts per square meter (0.1 percent) more energy reaches Earth. "This TSI measurement is very important to climate models that are trying to assess Earth-based forces on climate change," said Cahalan.

Over the past century, Earth's average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius (1.1 degrees Fahrenheit). Solar heating accounts for about 0.15 C, or 25 percent, of this change, according to computer modeling results published by NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies researcher David Rind in 2004. Earth's climate depends on the delicate balance between incoming solar radiation, outgoing thermal radiation and the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Even small changes in these parameters can affect climate. Around 30 percent of the solar energy that strikes Earth is reflected back into space. Clouds, atmospheric aerosols, snow, ice, sand, ocean surface and even rooftops play a role in deflecting the incoming rays. The remaining 70 percent of solar energy is absorbed by land, ocean, and atmosphere.

"Greenhouse gases block about 40 percent of outgoing thermal radiation that emanates from Earth," Woods said. The resulting imbalance between incoming solar radiation and outgoing thermal radiation will likely cause Earth to heat up over the next century, accelerating the melting polar ice caps, causing sea levels to rise and increasing the probability of more violent global weather patterns.


Non-Human Influences on Climate Change

Before the Industrial Age, the sun and volcanic eruptions were the major influences on Earth's climate change. Earth warmed and cooled in cycles. Major cool periods were ice ages, with the most recent ending about 11,000 years ago.

"Right now, we are in between major ice ages, in a period that has been called the Holocene,� said Cahalan. �Over recent decades, however, we have moved into a human-dominated climate that some have termed the Anthropocene. The major change in Earth's climate is now really dominated by human activity, which has never happened before."

The sun is relatively calm compared to other stars. "We don't know what the sun is going to do a hundred years from now," said Doug Rabin, a solar physicist at Goddard. "It could be considerably more active and therefore have more influence on Earth's climate."

Or, it could be calmer, creating a cooler climate on Earth similar to what happened in the late 17th century. Almost no sunspots were observed on the sun's surface during the period from 1650 to 1715. This extended absence of solar activity may have been partly responsible for the Little Ice Age in Europe and may reflect cyclic or irregular changes in the sun's output over hundreds of years. During this period, winters in Europe were longer and colder by about 1 C than they are today.

Since then, there seems to have been on average a slow increase in solar activity. Unless we find a way to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases we put into the atmosphere, such as carbon dioxide from fossil fuel burning, the solar influence is not expected to dominate climate change. But the solar variations are expected to continue to modulate both warming and cooling trends at the level of 0.1 to 0.2 degrees Celsius (0.18 to 0.26 Fahrenheit) over many years.


Future Measurements of Solar Variability

For three decades, a suite of NASA and European Space Agency satellites have provided scientists with critical measurements of total solar irradiance. The Total Irradiance Monitor, also known as the TIM instrument, was launched in 2003 as part of the NASA�s SORCE mission, and provides irradiance measurements with state-of-the-art accuracy. TIM has been rebuilt as part of the Glory mission, scheduled to launch in 2009. Glory's TIM instrument will continue an uninterrupted 30-year record of solar irradiance measurements and will help researchers better understand the sun's direct and indirect effects on climate. Glory will also collect data on aerosols, one of the least understood pieces of the climate puzzle.


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Adapted from materials provided by National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Original article written by Rani Gran.



I looked and looked and nowhere does the article support Dan's crap (yet again). � In fact, it reports that the indications of a 0.1C variation was discovered in 2004. Glad to see the coal company hacks are staying right on the cutting edge of the research.



And Dan even dredged up his line about 'religion' again. Gotta love that.

He continually forgets that we know exactly where that line came from and we know how much the industry paid for it:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20122975/site/newsweek/page/0/

�Groups that opposed greenhouse curbs ramped up. They "settled on the 'science isn't there' argument because they didn't believe they'd be able to convince the public to do nothing if climate change were real," says David Goldston, who served as Republican chief of staff for the House of Representatives science committee until 2006. Industry found a friend in Patrick Michaels, a climatologist at the University of Virginia who keeps a small farm where he raises prize-winning pumpkins and whose favorite weather, he once told a reporter, is "anything severe." Michaels had written several popular articles on climate change, including an op-ed in The Washington Post in 1989 warning of "apocalyptic environmentalism," which he called "the most popular new religion to come along since Marxism." The coal industry's Western Fuels Association paid Michaels to produce a newsletter called World Climate Report, which has regularly trashed mainstream climate science. (At a 1995 hearing in Minnesota on coal-fired power plants, Michaels admitted that he received more than $165,000 from industry; he now declines to comment on his industry funding, asking, "What is this, a hatchet job?")�



Maybe Kevin can teach Dan how to lie more convincingly ---- or at least read.

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“T*lt's GOD is still Al Gore.”

“I can only assume it's not customary in Mississippi to turn off the respirator after the EEG goes flat.”

“*snicker*”

“Back to the top ----”

“Where's the chair lift?”

“LOL..http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=netweather&traveler=0&zipChg=1&article=9

According to Long Range Expert Joe Bastardi, areas from the northern Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form. The ones that do form in areas of the Ohio Valley and West are forming in places with very cold temperatures, which can lead to more electrified thunderstorms than normal this year.”

“What happened to your big story, Lieutenant Vaporlock?

Looks like it melted away.”

“Earth's climate depends on the delicate balance between incoming solar radiation, outgoing thermal radiation and the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Even small changes in these parameters can affect climate.

And, by extension, global climate models are very sensitive to inputs. You never hear wannabe political hacks like Tilt admit that in plain language, though. There are a plethora of methodologies used to model the climate, based on various data and assumptions, returning various predictions. Some of these predict global warming. But, like any other branch of science, their research describes their model, not the real world. Get the inputs wrong or the assumptions even slightly wrong and the model produces garbage.

It may very well be true that humanity as a significant impact on climate. However, since the hard science of climatology is still in its infancy, and climate data is still woefully simplistic compared with the staggering complexity of real-world climatic variables, people should realize that the ones who are yelling "global warming" the loudest (hacks like tilt) are POLITICALLY motivated, and are doing a great disservice to the reputation of science in general, particularly when they claim to be impartial scientists.

Tilt loves to whine about the culture of "anti-intellectualism" in the Bush era, but he's doing the very same damn thing in his quest to politicize science. And thanks to tilt's efforts, more and more people are being fooled into believing that *highly* supported theories, like evolution, are another "religion" like global warming. Thanks a lot, tilt, ya dipsh*t.”

“There are a plethora of hurricane tracking models and none of them are ever right. Some get close some of the time and others are way off. So they still use something like 10 different models to create their projection charts which they then only project out for 3 or 4 days. This is something that we have 100 years of actual data measurements and an enormous amount of current data for the time of the event and the accuracy is still so bad that you wouldn't use it to evacuate a town more than 12-24 hours in advance of landfall.

yet we are supposed to believe that Global warming models all agree with each other significantly enough to plan world policy 20 years in advance.”

“20 years and 12-24 hours are different. Now is that clear?”

“Al Gore has made close to 100 million dollars off this bullsh1t , lie, scam, risky scheme! Look it up, don't take my word for it.

Talk about going green!”

“Isn't that, what do you call it? Capitalism, or is that only for the RIGHT wing pigs?

Yawl are so proud of the oil co's for making a killing causing this capitalist blunder.

The churches started the scams like this, remember?
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“ahh, so you agree its a scam”

“Have fun explaining it to your grandkids.”

“I will if you haven't fried them by then.”

“Have fun explaining it to your grandkids.

Believe me when I say I'm already having fun discrediting you.”

“Tilt...I am going to have more fun explaining how in less than 100 days your group put America in HOCK.

Granted you could worry about grandkids but that involves finding a female to HAVE kids with in the first place.”

“
ahh, so you agree its a scam.'
'It is, therefore it is a scam'-wasn't that Rene DesCartes?

Global Warming is a known fact, but the religious CO2 green house mysteries will take a couple decades to decide. Everything humans do on earth creates heat, you and no one else can deny that fact. But the quantity of that heat can't be defined by the non-objective.
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“June's chill in Chicago 'coldest since records began'...”

“All I can say is this. 25 years ago, there was a pretty good view from Clingman's Dome.

Today, you can't see Cherokee.

All the scientific evidence points out that all the crap trapped in the atmosphere creates a greenhouse effect.

Of course, we can put our head in the sand, say it isn't so, continue like we have and let our grandkids deal with it. Or, we can say, hey, we have to do something.

Conservatives won't believe in global warming until the oceans begin to boil, then they will say "oh, that's just cyclical".”

“simply not true, chili. I used to think you were a reasonable person, but you have gone the way of Y2 lately. The planet may be warming, maybe it was cyclical and now its cooling. What most of disagree with is the global warming religion and the way to deal with the global changes. So yeas, lets sell carbon credits and move all the polluting factories to third world countries and complete the devastation there.”

“Having more people to stop the pollution is the answer. If we double our numbers , we'll have twice as many smart people to solve our problems, can't remember the book and verse of that brilliant tidbit.”

“Fred Brooks' The Mythical Man-Month.”

“I used to think you were a reasonable person, but you have gone the way of Y2 lately. - hyway

America is becoming more polarized. It should be of no surprise that thought processes prejudiced by politics are increasingly being presented as unbiased.”

“It's was so easy after taking credit for winning the 2nd WW and for that reason many still want to be back in them cozy secure times. Reality, however, when winning is no longer possible, because nothing is to be won, goes down like a huge bitter sticky sharp cornered pill. All we can do is keep creating monsters over whom, with our imaginationally superior knowledge and strength, we become victorious each and everyday.
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“
Beware the Jabberwock, my son
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch

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“Tilty translation...."I am angwy dat the last reawwey good wiberal on the Augusta City Council just got exposed for corruption."”

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“LOL - get a photobucket account or something, Mark.”

“Shot down.............”

“LushO translation,"my hand fell asleep again."”

“http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/24752.html

here is some fun...calculate what cap and trade will cost you.”

“Cocaine Dan is frantically jamming the board with inane posts.

Got the shakes, Candy Dan?”

“bad craziness.”

“LushO translation,"direct hit...whaaaaaaaah!"”

“Got Crack?”

“Um sorry LushO....in the "working world" we are often subject to random drug testing....Now in the Victim world, I am sure your hostage can't worry about that...(LOL)”