Global Warming

“Stop the f'n presses!!!! Ice melts????? Holy sheeyot, head for the hills!!!!


So looking at the dates in that article which put forth overwhelming concrete evidence that man causes global warming/climate change brings to mind several questions:

What happened (man made, of course) during those years to speed up the melting? Haven't we been reducing pollution and our "carbon foolprint" over the years or is that a myth?”

“The USA is importing a populution, that when here triple their footprint compared to from where they came. Having the highest footprint, we need to send more of our populution back to where they came. But, we still need to tune in to Becky Glen's Show so we know what is really happening.”

““I don't think they can read a thermometer.

Consequently one would reasonably expect the concepts of scientific methodologies to be out of reach.


Actually, I think it's like so many of their other arguments ---- motivated by some paranoia and feelings of helplessness exacerbated by the election. So they lash out.

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Tllt
6:08:08 AM
9/25/09


I have to agree that your bunch does have problems, but what about the people who oppose the Global Smarming stuff? (LOL)”

“Limbaugh looks like he'll drop dead any second, so they're scurrying to find a replacement.

Of course the next one would be more extreme and perhaps even pathological.

It's like "What will the kiddies do to shock the previous generation?"..... some twisted political version of piercings, tattoos and swapping amateur porn on their phones.

Who will be the Marilyn Manson of Rightwing Media?”

“ROTFLMAO...hey guys shall we survey the threads to find times the Libs have gone wack s#it bananas when a Conservative has even hinted at illness or death for a liberal?”

“Uh, in case you haven't noticed - tilt abandoned any pretense of disguising his hypocrisy a long time ago - LOL”

“Yeah well....I am laughing at the fact that he was probably a great supporter of this city councilwoman who extorted money from a company wanting to build in Augusta. Then when the rest of the council told her the money was considered a kickback (MAJOR problem if you GIVE money to GET Some political favor its a KICKBACK). She had the money stashed in City Coffers until she was able to use it to pay for a gastric bypass for a family friend ...who was also a City Employee.”

“Where's the message WOG?”

“The LEFT rolls on....

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“And, the right is watching and learning fast. LMAO!”

“The EPA Silences a Climate Skeptic
The professional penalty for offering a contrary view to elites like Al Gore is a smear campaign.


By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL


Wherever Jim Hansen is right now -- whatever speech the "censored" NASA scientist is giving -- perhaps he'll find time to mention the plight of Alan Carlin. Though don't count on it.

Mr. Hansen, as everyone in this solar system knows, is the director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Starting in 2004, he launched a campaign against the Bush administration, claiming it was censoring his global-warming thoughts and fiddling with the science. It was all a bit of a hoot, given Mr. Hansen was already a world-famous devotee of the theory of man-made global warming, a reputation earned with some 1,400 speeches he'd given, many while working for Mr. Bush. But it gave Democrats a fun talking point, one the Obama team later picked up.


So much so that one of President Barack Obama's first acts was a memo to agencies demanding new transparency in government, and science. The nominee to head the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Lisa Jackson, joined in, exclaiming, "As administrator, I will ensure EPA's efforts to address the environmental crises of today are rooted in three fundamental values: science-based policies and program, adherence to the rule of law, and overwhelming transparency." In case anyone missed the point, Mr. Obama took another shot at his predecessors in April, vowing that "the days of science taking a backseat to ideology are over."

Except, that is, when it comes to Mr. Carlin, a senior analyst in the EPA's National Center for Environmental Economics and a 35-year veteran of the agency. In March, the Obama EPA prepared to engage the global-warming debate in an astounding new way, by issuing an "endangerment" finding on carbon. It establishes that carbon is a pollutant, and thereby gives the EPA the authority to regulate it -- even if Congress doesn't act.

Around this time, Mr. Carlin and a colleague presented a 98-page analysis arguing the agency should take another look, as the science behind man-made global warming is inconclusive at best. The analysis noted that global temperatures were on a downward trend. It pointed out problems with climate models. It highlighted new research that contradicts apocalyptic scenarios. "We believe our concerns and reservations are sufficiently important to warrant a serious review of the science by EPA," the report read.

The response to Mr. Carlin was an email from his boss, Al McGartland, forbidding him from "any direct communication" with anyone outside of his office with regard to his analysis. When Mr. Carlin tried again to disseminate his analysis, Mr. McGartland decreed: "The administrator and the administration have decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision. . . . I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office." (Emphasis added.)

Mr. McGartland blasted yet another email: "With the endangerment finding nearly final, you need to move on to other issues and subjects. I don't want you to spend any additional EPA time on climate change. No papers, no research etc, at least until we see what EPA is going to do with Climate." Ideology? Nope, not here. Just us science folk. Honest.

The emails were unearthed by the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Republican officials are calling for an investigation; House Energy Committee ranking member Joe Barton sent a letter with pointed questions to Mrs. Jackson, which she's yet to answer. The EPA has issued defensive statements, claiming Mr. Carlin wasn't ignored. But there is no getting around that the Obama administration has flouted its own promises of transparency.

The Bush administration's great sin, for the record, was daring to issue reports that laid out the administration's official position on global warming. That the reports did not contain the most doomsday predictions led to howls that the Bush politicals were suppressing and ignoring career scientists.

The Carlin dustup falls into a murkier category. Unlike annual reports, the Obama EPA's endangerment finding is a policy act. As such, EPA is required to make public those agency documents that pertain to the decision, to allow for public comment. Court rulings say rulemaking records must include both "the evidence relied upon and the evidence discarded." In refusing to allow Mr. Carlin's study to be circulated, the agency essentially hid it from the docket.

Unable to defend the EPA's actions, the climate-change crew -- , led by anonymous EPA officials -- is doing what it does best: trashing Mr. Carlin as a "denier." He is, we are told, "only" an economist (he in fact holds a degree in physics from CalTech). It wasn't his "job" to look at this issue (he in fact works in an office tasked with "informing important policy decisions with sound economics and other sciences.") His study was full of sham science. (The majority of it in fact references peer-reviewed studies.) Where's Mr. Hansen and his defense of scientific freedom when you really need him?

Mr. Carlin is instead an explanation for why the science debate is little reported in this country. The professional penalty for offering a contrary view to elites like Al Gore is a smear campaign. The global-warming crowd likes to deride skeptics as the equivalent of the Catholic Church refusing to accept the Copernican theory. The irony is that, today, it is those who dare critique the new religion of human-induced climate change who face the Inquisition.”

“Wutch out fer them pointy heds.”

“Are you sad you can't be in Pittsburg?”

“HMM the argument of the Non Global Warming crowd has been that the Science is FLAWED....the argument of the left has been "SCIENCE IS THE WORD OF GOD".

Then today we discover.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/yamal_scandal/

A scientific scandal is casting a shadow over a number of recent peer-reviewed climate papers.

At least eight papers purporting to reconstruct the historical temperature record times may need to be revisited, with significant implications for contemporary climate studies, the basis of the IPCC's assessments. A number of these involve senior climatologists at the British climate research centre CRU at the University East Anglia. In every case, peer review failed to pick up the errors.

At issue is the use of tree rings as a temperature proxy, or dendrochronology. Using statistical techniques, researchers take the ring data to create a "reconstruction" of historical temperature anomalies. But trees are a highly controversial indicator of temperature, since the rings principally record Co2, and also record humidity, rainfall, nutrient intake and other local factors.

Picking a temperature signal out of all this noise is problematic, and a dendrochronology can differ significantly from instrumented data. In dendro jargon, this disparity is called "divergence". The process of creating a raw data set also involves a selective use of samples - a choice open to a scientist's biases.

Yet none of this has stopped paleoclimataologists from making bold claims using tree ring data.”

“Climatology, remote and local sensing capability, and computer modeling are still in their infancy.”

“My hi or low is within 10*F at least once a week.”

“Oil inventories up, so down goes oil prices and inflation. Stocks react to every move in oil prices and the dollar is the only hope of keeping prices up.

The Big Borrowing Bully isn't happy.
last edited: 9/30/09 7:37:50 AM”

“http://cei.org/news-release/2009/10/05/govt-funded-research-unit-destroyed-original-climate-data

Govt-Funded Research Unit Destroyed Original Climate Data

CEI Petitions EPA to Reopen Global Warming Rulemaking

Washington, D.C., October 6, 2009―In the wake of a revelation by a key research institution that it destroyed its original climate data, the Competitive Enterprise Institute petitioned EPA to reopen a major global warming proceeding.

In mid-August the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU) disclosed that it had destroyed the raw data for its global surface temperature data set because of an alleged lack of storage space. The CRU data have been the basis for several of the major international studies that claim we face a global warming crisis. CRU’s destruction of data, however, severely undercuts the credibility of those studies.

In a declaration filed with CEI’s petition, Cato Institute scholar and climate scientist Patrick Michaels calls CRU’s revelation “a totally new element” that “violates basic scientific principles, and “throws even more doubt” on the claims of global warming alarmists.

CEI’s petition, filed late Monday with EPA, argues that CRU’s disclosure casts a new cloud of doubt on the science behind EPA’s proposal to regulate carbon dioxide. EPA stopped accepting public comments in late June but has not yet issued its final decision. As CEI’s petition argues, court rulings make it clear that agencies must consider new facts when those facts change the underlying issues.

CEI general counsel Sam Kazman stated, “EPA is resting its case on international studies that in turn relied on CRU data. But CRU’s suspicious destruction of its original data, disclosed at this late date, makes that information totally unreliable. If EPA doesn’t reexamine the implications of this, it’s stumbling blindly into the most important regulatory issue we face.”

Among CRU’s funders are the EPA and the U.S. Department of Energy – U.S. taxpayers.
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And now the legal reference on this.

Its called Spoliation, it means destroying information so other parties may not review it. In any case where spoliation has occurred the harmed parties are considered to have the determination/////


END OF GLOBAL WARMING>...meaning WE WIN...LEFTIES GET BEEYOTCH SLAPPED”

“The national review article linked to on the above website is an interesting read as well.

Who would have thought that politicizing climate research would have been detrimental to its science?”

“Who would have thought that politicizing climate research would have been detrimental to its science?”
Mutt

Not our favorite faux scientist t*lty.
*snicker*”

“Politicizing anything pretty much leads to its demise one way or another, lol.


Love these quotes from the NR article:

“We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?”

Almost sounds like a Violin post!

Despite having been invited by the National Academy of Sciences to present his analyses of millennial temperatures, McIntyre was told that he couldn’t have the data because he wasn’t an “academic.”

Cuz only smart people can understand something like this, dontcha know.”

“Almost sounds like a Violin post! - noncon

Yeah no kidding - I assume you're referring to the Walmart thread. That was pretty funny. Hyway owned violin, big time.”

“lol---that's exactly the post I had in mind!”

“Wood River Valley News
Pets Jobs Cars Homes RVs Stuff MORE

Some Idaho school kids enjoy an early snow day

Monday, October 5, 2009

Schools caught off guard

BELLEVUE -- Just one week ago, we were bracing for a "cool down" from the 80s to the 60s.

Now, it's getting downright wintry. And in some parts of our viewing area, snow is piling up.

This may be one for the record books, not only how early this heavy fall snowstorm is, but the fact that it appears to have created the earliest snow day in the history of the Blaine County School District.

“We got dumped on last night, you can see that by looking around here. We weren't quite ready for it. It did cause us some issues in the school district," Lonnie Barber, Blaine County Superintendent.

Not just the school district, but throughout the county. At least 3,500 Idaho Power customers in the Wood River Valley were without electricty today. Utility officials blame heavy wet snow for knocking out power in Bellevue and Hailey. Outages were also reported in Fairfield and Carey.

Since the trees haven't had time to shed their leaves, the snow accumulated and burdened the branches to their breaking point. Many of which landed on power lines.

After about an hour and a half, the Blaine County superintendent said it was time to call it a day for those at Bellevue Elementary School -- the only school left in the dark.

"At about 9:30 this morning we mobilized and started making calls. We didn't want students in the cold, very quick response. Within minutes parents had picked up all but 18 kids, an hour later, all students were at home. Unfortunately we lost one day of school, but only in one of our schools. This is the only school that had the power outage," said Barber.

And, as luck would have it the power got restored just as the last few students were reunited with their parents.


Wow....that's weird...”

“skiing
Loveland ski opens Wednesday, A-Basin on Friday
By John Meyer
The Denver Post
10/06/2009

Loveland Ski Area was making snow Tuesday afternoon. (Loveland Ski Area )

And the winner is ... Loveland Basin.

Boasting its earliest opening day in 40 years, Loveland officials today announced the area will open for skiing Wednesday. Less than an hour later the folks at Arapahoe Basin congratulated their rivals on the other side of the pass and said their area would open Friday.

Loveland will become the first ski area in North America to open its season at 9 a.m. with $44 lift tickets. Loveland trail crews were able to begin snowmaking operations on Sept. 21.

"We took advantage of the cold temperatures and got an early start making snow this year," said Eric Johnstone, snowmaking and trail maintenance manager. "Now we can move some equipment to other trails and try to open more terrain as quickly as possible."

As usual on opening day, Loveland will open Chair 1 with 1,000 vertical feet of terrain on Catwalk, Mambo and Homerun.

Friday will mark the earliest opening in Arapahoe Basin's 64-year history. The Exhibition chairlift will open at 9 a.m. Friday with skiing on the intermediate High Noon run and six features in the High Divide Terrain Park. There will be no beginner skiing.

Both areas say they have a manmade base of 18 inches.


Boy, this Global Warming sure is .....cold”

“ROTFLMAO...I am waiting for someone to nail the weather people for the Gorebal Warming Hoax.”

“Why do you people spend so much time trying to debunk something that you think isn't real in the first place. Do you have the same doubt as with your god?”

“because we have to literally pay $ for the lie”

“So, that takes page after page of evidence that is just as questionable as Gores and has funding from the very people that stand to lose the most? Why isn't pollution mentioned in this equation - Oh, expensive again.”

“XL is funded by big pollute?”

“Give him a hoot or you're helping Him pollute.”

“SNOW PILING UP: Idaho school kids enjoy 'earliest snow day in history'...

Colorado ski resort boasts 'earliest opening day in 40 years'...

Vegas ski resort to open 'earlier than it ever has'...”

“Actually HighDrift, I am not technically FUNDED by Big Pollute, but I do wave and honk the horn when I drive by little pollute, but thats just cause they look so cute at that age.”

“Don't you idgets know anything? If you watch the movie "The Day After Tomorrow," you's know that global warming is going to plunge the Earth into an ice age. Snow in October proves it's already happening.”

“Lumber I watched the South Park Episode "Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow"

IT was classic and very exemplary of the idiocy of the left.”

“The left is funny , but the reactionary right is sad.”

“those with no direction are useless”

“And thinking that you're above it all and different than other people is downright pathetic (unless you're an 18 year old college freshman, but they're entitled to be young and dumb)”

“Be careful or I'll unhitch your tongue and cut your trailer loose.”

“Its a tough Monday to be a Smarmist. Global warming is getting hit harder than tilty at a "life partner commitment ceremony".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=11295113

The National Weather Service predicted freezing temperatures and snow flurries both Saturday and Sunday for most of Eastern Montana.

Meanwhile, temperatures in parts of western Montana were near zero overnight and record lows were set in Missoula, Kalispell and Butte on Sunday.

With chilly temperatures expected to sweep across the state over the weekend, school marching bands were pulled from the University of Montana's homecoming parade Saturday under threat of frigid weather.

John Combs, Fine Arts Director for Missoula County Public Schools, says it was difficult to yank hundreds of students from the parade lineup. But, the alternative was kids possibly slipping on ice or getting sick.

It's unexpected for early October, but forecasters are warning Western Montanans to be on their guard for frostbite the rest of the weekend.

A cold, Arctic air mass flowing from Canada pushed temperatures well below season normals and set records on Saturday and Sunday.

http://www.missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/article_c1c13d5e-b6a4-11de-a09c-001cc4c002e0.html

BOZEMAN - Record-low temperatures in southwestern Idaho are threatening to destroy at least a portion of this season's crop of seed potatoes.

Spuds still in the ground could be saved by a layer of snow; a dusting had fallen on Bozeman and the surrounding region by Sunday.

Nina Zydak, director of the Montana State University Potato Lab, said most area farmers have already started digging.

But many farmers expect to lose some of their potatoes.

"It's over," Larry Van Dyke, who owns Van Dyke Farms in Townsend, told the Bozeman Chronicle.

He says when it's this cold for too long, the frost penetrates and the taters are toast.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/article_dacf39c7-c2f8-5718-a5a0-d0cfb39f80bc.html

Some who attended the speech tempered Gore's hopefulness, characteristic of his lauded yet controversial effort to educate the public about carbon dioxide emissions and their link to rising temperatures.

"His optimism isn't shared by a lot of other folks," said Tim Wheeler, an environmental reporter for the Baltimore Sun. Gore may have been trying to push politicians to action, Wheeler added.

Conservative groups led by Collegians for a Constructive Tomorrow and Americans for Prosperity held a demonstration Downtown that drew about 200 people, including U.S. Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Menomonee Falls, who also participated in the conference's panel discussion following Gore's speech. The demonstrators worried Gore's policies would push American jobs overseas.

Gore has been criticized for not publicly debating his position since the release of his 2006 Oscar-winning documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth."

In what organizers said was a rarity, Gore took half a dozen questions from journalists, including one from Phelim McAleer, an Irish filmmaker who asked Gore to address nine errors in his film identified by a British court in 2007.

Gore responded that the court ruling supported the showing of his film in British schools. When McAleer tried to debate further, his microphone was cut off by the moderators.
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Like typical socialists the only FREE Speech is speech they agree with.”

“What's going on in the other 95% of the Globe?”

“Cutbacks in education lead to a scientifically illiterate population.

They figured: "Why the hell would some pissant #&%!$kicker from Texas need to know anything about the scientific method?"

They thought he'd stay in Texas and no one would ever notice.”

“It's cute when t*ltypoo says "scientifically illiterate".”

“And Mississippi??

The Texans like to have someone around they can laugh at.”

“No tilty thats why they have you.....”

“*snicker*”

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wow....that's weird...the Global Warming is getting colder...”

“Well strat if you remember geological evidence shows that before the great HEAT WAVES that gave us the dinosaurs there was this Ice Age...so technically it may be part of the Global Warming.”