Global Warming

“Well strat if you remember geological evidence shows that before the great HEAT WAVES that gave us the dinosaurs there was this Ice Age...so technically it may be part of the Global Warming.”

“Those Liars!

SRINAGAR, India – Indian Kashmir's glaciers are melting fast because of rising temperatures, threatening the water supply of millions of people in the Himalayan region, a new study by Indian scientists says.

The study by Kashmir University's geology and geophysics department blamed the effect on climate change, and said it endangered the livelihoods of two-thirds of the region's nearly 10 million people engaged in agriculture, horticulture, livestock rearing and forestry.

The Kolahoi glacier, the biggest in the Indian portion of divided Kashmir, has shrunk to about 4.44 square miles (11.5 square kilometers) from about five square miles (13 square kilometers) in the past 40 years, the study found.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091013/ap_on_re_as/as_kashmir_melting_glaciers”

“Rosie...you do know that climate changes (i.e. when Ice Ages end it gets WARMER) are a natural occurrence?


http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/climate_myths_and_national_sec.html

The President of the United States recently told the United Nations that "global warming" poses a threat to national security and may engender conflicts as populations are displaced by rising sea levels, droughts, floods, storms etc. etc. etc. However, it is now clear that there is no basis for the notion that the barely-detectable human influence on the climate is likely to prove a threat to climate, still less to national security.

By how much will any given proportionate increase in CO2 concentration warm the world? We now know the answer. The oceans, which must store 80-90% of all heat-energy accumulated in the atmosphere as a result of the radiative imbalance caused by greater greenhouse-gas concentration, have shown no net accumulation of heat for almost 70 years, implying a very small influence of CO2 on temperature (Douglass & Knox, 2009). The devastating analysis of cloud-albedo effects shortly to be published by Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama at Huntsville will show that the UN has wrongly decided that cloud changes reinforce greenhouse warming, when in fact they substantially offset it. Repeated studies of the tropical upper troposphere (e.g. Douglass et al., 2008) show that it is failing to warm at thrice the surface rate as required by all of the UN's models, again implying very low climate sensitivity. The clincher is Professor Richard Lindzen's meticulous recent paper demonstrating - by direct measurement - that the amount of radiation escaping from the Earth's atmosphere to space is many times greater than the UN's models are all told to believe. From this, the world's most formidable atmospheric physicist has calculated that a doubling of CO2 concentration, expected over the next 150 years, would cause 0.75 C (1.5 F) of warming, at most: not the 3.4 C (6 F) that the UN takes as its central estimate.”

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According to the Moonies your blowjob expert has gone over to The Dark Side, LMAO


GOP Graham's endorsement boosts climate change bill
by Edward Felker

The surprise endorsement of climate-change legislation by a leading Senate Republican has jump-started the languishing proposal but also has raised the prospect that it will include two major items that environmentalists dislike: more nuclear power and more offshore oil drilling.

In an op-ed published Sunday, Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina joined with Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the chamber's leading Democratic advocate of climate legislation, to promote a bipartisan plan to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions.

They proposed a compromise that reduces U.S. carbon-dioxide emissions - which are widely considered to contribute to climate change - through a market-based "cap and trade" system, combined with a "clean energy" program providing incentives for nuclear power, offshore oil and gas drilling, and coal emissions controls.

Analysts from the political left and right expressed optimism that the unexpected alliance will improve the bill's chances of passage. The House narrowly passed its version this summer, but the Senate has long been considered a much tougher sell.

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“Lindsey McCain is a Republican? Another guy who just wants to be loved, lol.

Just how long after it's dead and buried can the fruitcakes ride this one?”

“Gotta love these fake outdoorspeople. What the fvck are they doing on a backpacking site in the first place? TROLLING perhaps?

Shouldn't you be at a pro-mountaintop removal rally?”

“All you grease monkets going to own stock in the Key West Rams?”

“The name Dave chose for himself is a lie and all the rest flows directly from that.”

“Is a liar the same as a fraud? Where would I look up that info?”

“*snicker*”

“is renting substandard housing and charging full rents hypcrisy?”

“The BBC reports today that the year with the highest global temperatures is, of course, 2008...No? 2007? Nope. 2006? Try again. Actually, 1998 was the warmest year on record. Hmmm, how about that - wasn't Miami supposed to be underwater by now? Global temperatures are not rising, but there is one thing that is rapidly increasing: Al Gore's net worth. In 2000, the goofy VP was worth about $2 million. Now he's worth over $100 million and stands to make much more off new 'green' technologies

Glenn Beck”

“Why do we care what Al Gore says or how much he is worth?

What about your hero Beck? How much is he worth? They both preach their own message and make money off of it.”

“Let's play into the right's wet dream and say global warming is crap. Green technology is still the RIGHT thing to do. Conservation is the RIGHT thing to do. Protection of our natural resources and environment is the RIGHT thing to do. Making sure all of our children have clean air to breathe and clean water to drink is the RIGHT thing to do.

Duh.”

“Agree with you on the water issue. I directed a documentary a bunch of years ago on water conservation/pollution. Got to interview Paul simon (D) from Illinois just before he passed away.”

“Let's smash the left's pure fantasy and say that no one on the RIGHT is arguing with you about those things. Once you eliminate the childish copout of an argument that those who do not believe in man-made global warming/climate change are against your points about "the right thing to do" we'll probably move forward.”

“we'll probably move forward.

Suuuuuuuuuure. Can you please point to how that happened under Shrub? I mean, he made a point of saying to the world that climate change didn't exist. So, given your rationale, it shoulda been full steam ahead with going green. Right? Please illustrate.”

“I guess when I asked to eliminate childish copouts from certain people I should have clarified that I wasn't talking about rosey.”

“Pretending that nothing is happening is over ---- All that remains is to squabble over the details.

It's funny listening to the power generation industry talking about how "Green" they are in their ad campaigns while they still bankroll the ratfvckers to operate in the background to improve their bargaining angle.

Exxon put on the same 'charm offensive' while their lawyers fought to screw over all the people whose livelihoods were destroyed in Prince William Sound.

(and Philip Morris changed its name to "Altria" and wants people to believe they want to help them stop smoking! LMAO)

How dumb do they think you are?”

“Just what I thought, Non. You're hot air per usual...”

“..........no one on the RIGHT is arguing with you about those things.

That's hysterical!

Who has been opposed to just about any and all environmental legislation for the last 40 years??

Conservatives have opposed that stuff for years and have recently used their claims of "HOAX" as part of their "reasoning" to oppose any and all environmental legislation.

For years the argument against was that "it will ruin our economy" and we can't afford it.

Now that Republicans have ruined the economy they have renewed claims that we can't afford a clean environment...............since they have already ruined the economy.”

“LOL! Right. You don't even really read the posts do you? Do you even read your own?

Hey, here's an idea: post another ice melting story. This time let us know if your article is proof that ice melts or that man is causing it.”

“Sure, change the subject when ya can't handle it.”

“And here is where Non tries to make a joke/insult of the situation to diffuse/divert the request for FACTS to back up his point of view...

Same tired playbook, day after day...
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“Rosey, I agree with you. I'm not sure that Global Warming is real. I'm afraid it is, and some of the evidence seems pretty convincing.

Consider, though, the politicized research, the discredited data, climatology and data collection and computer modeling being in its infancy, and the redistributionist agenda behind anthropogenic global warming.

That's the problem. The true picture, thanks to these obstacles, is anybody's guess.”

“It seems, when the livelihood of the human race is at stake, with would be best to employ the precautionary principle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle”

“Change the subject? You really DON'T read your own posts, do you?

I guess I wasn't talking about MarkO either when I asked for the fantasy and childish copouts to be eliminated. Did I forget anyone else?”

“They want to deal with the environment the same way they dealt with the economy.”

“rosey, it doesn't yet pass that threshold, due to the obstacles I mentioned above.”

“I'd say the threshold has definitely been passed.

From the 1992 Rio Summit:

"In order to protect the environment, the precautionary approach shall be widely applied by States according to their capabilities. Where there are threats of serious or irreversible damage, lack of full scientific certainty shall not be used as a reason for postponing cost-effective measures to prevent environmental degradation."

So, regardless of the scientific certainty, due to political skewing or debatable data, we should still move forward with enacting environmental precautions that MAY or MAY NOT be catalysts for global warming.

In addition, the burden of proof lies with the polluters to show that CO2 emissions DO NOT contribute to global warming.”

“That's the heart of the debate I guess. You take it on faith, I don't.”

“Not faith, I actually agree with the scientific evidence. But the precautionary principle says that scientific evidence notwithstanding, err on the side of caution in order to protect the environment.”

“Well using your logic rosey, we should be spending tens of trillions of taxpayer dollars to get a giant laser in orbit so we can blast asteroids that would catastrophically impact earth. It's a possibility that one could be heading our way, undetected. So, scientific evidence notwithstanding, we should err on the side of caution to protect the environment. Oh, and the burden of proof is on YOU to conclusively show that there isn't an asteroid on a collision course.”

“Here, Non. Let me help you with what the Bush Administration did about global warming.

Bush Administration covered up global warming finding, then deliberately kept from Democrats

By The Associated Press
Tuesday, October 13th, 2009 -- 9:30 pm

An e-mail message buried by the Bush administration because of its conclusions on global warming surfaced Tuesday, nearly two years after it was first sent to the White House and never opened.

The Bush administration, and then EPA administrator Stephen Johnson, refused to release the document when it was written in 2007, and labeled it "deliberative, do not distribute" to Democratic lawmakers. The White House instead allowed three senators to review it in July 2008, when excerpts were released.


http://rawstory.com/2009/10/bush-administration-covered-up-epa-global-warming-finding-email-reveals/
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“Touche, Mutt.”

“Read back a few days rosey, and you'll see one that says the same thing on the flip side. Big whoop. It's all about what you choose to believe.

Okay, have you calmed down now? Because we have almost come full circle to what I was saying in my original post.

You believe the “pro” science. Fine. Do you believe any of the “anti” science and if not, why not?

Do you believe that Mutt and I and others want to protect our Natural Resources? Have clean air and clean water?”

“Hey, here's an idea: post another ice melting story. This time let us know if your article is proof that ice melts or that man is causing it.

Here ya go! This falls into the ice melting category you mentioned.

Explorers: North Pole summers ice free in 10 years

LONDON – A team of British explorers says that within a decade the North Pole will be virtually ice-free during the summer.

The Catlin Arctic Survey trekked an average of about 11 kilometers (six miles) per day and swam in freezing water to take measurements of the ice and snow.

Measurements during the three month research project showed that most of the ice is first year ice that measures about 1.8 meters (six feet) thick. Peter Wadhams with the University of Cambridge said Wednesday the ice is too thin to survive next summer's ice melt.

The results come ahead of the UN climate Summit in Copenhagen this December.”

“You know rosey, I can always count on you to prove me right and at the same time be completely oblivious to it. Thank you.


My point (which was evidently lost on some) remains: if we continue to deal in extremes---on BOTH sides (better?) we will not move forward.”

“But, not moving forward could result in regression, is that your motive?”

“Typical Bush-era revisionist. Lemme guess. You agreed with Shrub and Co. when they pronounced that GLOBAL WARMING does NOT exist, but then reconsidered after the overwhelming scientific data proved otherwise.

Then the mantra became, coincidentally, after the Supreme Court acknowledged global warming was a reality, well, OK, global warming is happening, BUT, BUT, BUT...HUMANS aren't to blame.

Kinda like when Saddam had all those WMDs ready to rain down on America so we had to get the bastard RIGHT NOW. And when those didn't show up, it became: we needed to get rid of an EVIL dictator...for the betterment of Iraq!

Just one snowjob after another...”

“DJI-intraday 10k.”

“FoolO and rosey are good pals.”

“What's wrong? Get cleaned out at the casino again?”

“I kinda like the idea of giant orbiting lasers.

Even better would be giant space sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads.

There's something we can all support.
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“Yeah but Vile...give it to the government and we would end up with ill tempered sea bass (LOL).”

“French government says "give us your money or the planet will die", which is pretty much Al Gore's message these days too


Attention, People of France! The Earth is on fire! Give us your money! We tried being nice about it, but now we’re really broke… I mean, the earth is going to die very soon if you don’t let us rifle through your wallets.

Not that we’re going to ask permission any more. We’re almost done with that, so either you’re on board, or you’ll live an angry resentful life. You’ll barely even notice because we’ll give it back to you some other way – PROMISE!

And if you don’t give us your money, babies will die, you heartless, greedy bastards. And animals. Especially the cute ones. Think of the kids, like our Minister of Culture and Sex Tourism, Frederic Mitterrand.

Here’s how it’s going to work: France will get “carbon taxed”, then we’re going to put another tax at the perimeter of the EU. Because a socialist system goes broke when the “producing” countries handing cash to the non-producers. So the EU needs to find a way to import money into this economic gulag.

We’re not even putting on the balaclavas: we’re just going to walk in and calmly take what we need. And if that ad (see above) doesn’t scare you into adequate complicity, then hey, at least we tried. Not our problem any more. We’ve heard rumblings about the possible cancellation of man-made “climate change”. Just so you know – even if that happens, there won’t be any refunds.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/rachelmarsden/100013919/message-from-the-french-government-give-us-your-money-or-the-earth-will-die/”

“The Oil Co's say give us your money or your SUV will starve of hunger.”

“And in Jolly olde "Colonplugging" England....the LOSER (polls show him dropping faster than a school boy's shorts at Y2's house)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8313672.stm

Gordon Brown said negotiators had 50 days to save the world from global warming and break the "impasse".

He told the Major Economies Forum in London, which brings together 17 of the world's biggest greenhouse gas-emitting countries, there was "no plan B".

If the world is not destroyed in 50 days I say the practice of Draw and Quarter should be introduced to this clown.”

“Thanks for fulfilling your duty to inject more violence into every thing.”