Global Warming

“So, GW is just like Gawd, a few shifty lines on the graph and puff, it's not real? That Two down , now let's tackle 'Free' trade and 'Fair 'Trade.”

“Copenhagen summit veering towards farce, warns Ed Miliband

Climate talks at least 18 hours behind schedule as world leaders set to arrive in Copenhagen
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/16/copenhagen-summit-miliband-farce-warning

The climate change summit in Copenhagen was in jeopardy tonight with the complex negotiations falling far behind schedule as the climate secretary, Ed Miliband, warned of a "farce".

With just two days remaining, the inability to overcome disagreements about the shape of a deal to combat global warming led to hours of inaction today , while outside the negotiations police clashed with protesters who broke through a security cordon but failed in an attempt to storm the conference centre.

"We have made no progress" said a source close to the talks. "What people don't realise is that we are now not really ready for the leaders. These talks are now 18 hours late."
John Vidal: 'Countries are making tiny concessions' Link to this audio

More than 115 world leaders arrive tomorrow and on Friday and had expected only to bargain over the final details in a prepared draft agreement but the earlier impasse could condemn the talks to failure.

For the first time frustrated negotiators spoke openly of – at best – reaching a weak political agreement that would leave no clear way forward to tackle rising greenhouse gas emissions.

That would mean the negotiations staying in limbo well into next year, increasing the damage caused by global warming.

The day saw thousands of protesters take to the streets to demand a strong deal by Friday but, while they clashed with police, they failed in their objective to enter the conference centre.

A key meeting of 25 government ministers from different countries, chosen to streamline the negotiations, was 18 hours behind track tonight , having failed to meet for the entire day. The group, along with another 25 "shadow" ministers, had been scheduled for its first meeting in the early hours of Wednesday but it was delayed. Ministers from developing countries were shocked to find that, instead of making progress on producing the slimmed-down draft agreement for the leaders, talks starting at 5.45am had seen the document increase in complexity.

Miliband said people around the world would be rightly furious if negotiators failed to get a deal because the talks were delayed not over substance, but over the process. "It would be a tragedy if we failed to agree because of the substance. It would be a farce if we failed to reach agreement because of the process," he said.

"People will find it extraordinary that this conference that has been two years in the planning and involves 192 countries, which is such an important thing, such important stakes, is at the moment being stalled on points of order."

There was, however, some progress on other important issues. The US and China appeared to resolve some of their differences and a proposal from the Ethiopian prime minister on climate funding closed the gap between rich and poor countries. At the heart of the impasse is the fate of the Kyoto protocol, signed in 1997. It is the only legally binding agreement on climate change and requires industrialised nations – but not developing nations – to cut their emissions. Rich nations want a fresh treaty, arguing the world has changed and the major emerging economies such and China and India must commit to curbing their huge and fast growing national emissions. But the developing nations argue that rich nations grew wealthy by polluting the atmosphere and must take primary responsibility for it, which can only be guaranteed by Kyoto.

China, India, South Africa and Brazil brought one half of the talks to a halt in expectation that the Danish presidency was going to introduce a new text which would effectively kill Kyoto. "Things are getting held up by procedural wrangling," said Miliband. "People can kill this agreement with process arguments. It will be tragedy if we cannot reach an agreement on substance, but it will be a farce if we cannot agree on process."”

“Blizzard Dumps Snow on Copenhagen as Leaders Battle Warming
By Christian Wienberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601130&sid=a5wStc0K6jhY

Dec. 17 (Bloomberg) -- World leaders flying into Copenhagen today to discuss a solution to global warming will first face freezing weather as a blizzard dumped 10 centimeters (4 inches) of snow on the Danish capital overnight.

“Temperatures will stay low at least the next three days,” Henning Gisseloe, an official at Denmark’s Meteorological Institute, said today by telephone, forecasting more snow in coming days. “There’s a good chance of a white Christmas.”

Delegates from 193 countries have been in Copenhagen since Dec. 7 to discuss how to fund global greenhouse gas emission cuts. U.S. President Barack Obama will arrive before the summit is scheduled to end tomorrow.

Denmark has a maritime climate and milder winters than its Scandinavian neighbors. It hasn’t had a white Christmas for 14 years, under the DMI’s definition, and only had seven last century. Temperatures today fell as low as minus 4 Celsius (25 Fahrenheit).

DMI defines a white Christmas as 90 percent of the country being covered by at least 2 centimeters of snow on the afternoon of Dec. 24.

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“How did Coolie Inhofes trip go guys, was he lonely? I'm glade his plane didn't wander off the edge into the dragons mouth.”

“EXCEPT that the people leading the Gorebal Warming hoax ARE indeed getting rich off the hoax.”

“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704398304574598230426037244.html?mod=wsj_share_twitter


more hoaxing frauding and LIES”

“The russkies show the way!

http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhill/index.php/home/35-politics/1057-russian-think-tank-alleges-climate-data-tampered-with

The Institute of Economic Analysis, a Moscow-based independent economic think tank, alleged in a paper released Tuesday that climate change data involving Russia appears to have been tampered with. The claim was made based on an analysis of newly available data from the U.K.-based Hadley Center for Climate Change, which is affiliated with the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia. The latter is at the center of the recent �climategate� controversy.

The IEA unfortunately does not offer English-language versions of its reports on its Web site. However, Andrei Illarionov, IEA founder and editor of the report, is also a senior fellow at the free market Cato Institute and talked to IBD about the report�s conclusion.

�The Hadley Center as well as the CRU ... about a week ago, put up on a Web site the data they used for calculating global temperatures,� said Illarionov. �It looks like that, based on this information, the (climate researchers) selected particular (meteorological) stations on the Russian territory and rejected using some other stations. (The report) is an analysis of what stations have been used, what stations have not been used and based on this analysis it looks like the real actual temperature dynamics .. . in Russia, that is the increase in warming, have been artificially increased by 0.64 degrees Celsius.�

According to an analysis of the report in the Russian daily business newspaper Kommersant, the stations cover most of Russia but the Hadley Center used only 25% of the stations in its reports, typically ones closer to large population centers. The data from the unused stations reportedly did not show any substantial warming trends.”

“It's great to see the frauds outed like this. Science - REAL science - in action.”

“I keep saying every scientist involved must have all his credentials revoked back to his High School Diploma.”

“I don't see any science-real science, all I see is business being carried on the way it is done in a society where lies are shown to be lies by more lies themselves. As with the GW theory itself, only time will tell. It really is funny that nothing is beyond being suspected of this very same condition even into the more stable disciplines in this dog eat dollar world.”

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNQqUACJ_Kw&feature=player_embedded

Copenhagen is really about killing capitolism, watch this youtube video of all the communist there”

“coming soon to the USA. EU Cap n trade has massive fraud....

Climategate: European Carbon Credit Trading System Plagued by Fraud

A main aim of the Copenhagen climate conference is to expand the EU’s fraud- and corruption-plagued carbon trading scheme into a global system for trading carbon.
December 17, 2009 - by Soeren Kern


The European Union’s flagship cap-and-trade carbon credit trading system is plagued by massive fraud and is effectively under the control of organized crime, according to a December 9 statement issued by European police. Europol, an EU-wide criminal intelligence agency similar to the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, says bogus trading at the EU’s Emission Trading Scheme (ETS) has exceeded €5 billion (U.S.$7 billion) over the past 18 months alone. Europol says that in some EU countries, up to 90 percent of the entire market volume is fraudulent.

News of the scale of the fraud, which comes just weeks after hundreds of hacked emails suggest that scientists have manipulated and exaggerated global warming data, will cast further doubt over the effectiveness of carbon trading as a way to curb emissions. It may also provide fresh ammunition to critics of the Obama administration’s plans to implement a cap-and-trade system in the United States that is largely based on the European model.

Europol says the fraud was first suspected in late 2008, when the volume of trades in European Unit Allowances (EUA), the carbon credits that companies in EU countries buy to offset their greenhouse gas output, mysteriously spiked.

In the European Union, caps are placed on the total amount of carbon dioxide that may be emitted. Companies that pollute more than their allotted share, such as steel plants, power plants, cement-makers, and other big industries, are required to buy carbon credits from those companies that do not exceed their allotted share, in order to keep the total output below the prescribed cap.

In the latest scam (which is a mutation of the EU’s notorious value-added tax carousel fraud), criminals open a carbon trading account on one of six recognized European carbon markets, in the name of a newly registered company. They then buy tax-free carbon credits in another country, transfer those credits into their account, and then sell them to a carbon broker in yet another country. The fraudsters collect VAT (which varies from between 15 to 25 percent depending on the EU country) on each transaction, but never pay the VAT monies to any European tax agency. The company and its owners vanish before tax authorities realize they are owed large amounts of VAT.

The carousel tax fraud repeats itself over and over, as the criminals set up new companies, using different front men, to collect more and more VAT. Organized crime rings are thought to have dozens or even hundreds of companies whose real owners are difficult if not impossible to trace.

VAT fraud is endemic in the EU, which has 27 different national tax systems and no effective cross-border coordinating mechanism. Criminals are able to defraud the European VAT system largely because goods (especially carbon credits, which are invisible and highly tradable) moved from one EU country to another do not attract VAT at the point of entry. Once the goods are sold to a wholesaler or retailer, VAT is charged. The fraudsters then purloin the tax revenues rather than passing them on to national tax authorities.

n August 2009, British police broke up an organized crime ring suspected of making $60 million by trading carbon credits marked-up with VAT that was never paid to the British treasury. EU officials say that overall VAT fraud may be costing European governments up to €50 billion per year, although some studies suggest that there is a 10 percent gap between theoretical and actual VAT receipts in most EU countries, with overall tax fraud costing EU governments up to €250 billion per year.

The practical implication for the debate over climate change is that the EU’s EST is not nearly as successful as European proponents claim.

But VAT fraud is not the only problem undermining the credibility of the EU’s vaunted cap-and-trade system. Some leading European companies are gaming the ETS by lobbying for the right to pollute for free. Indeed, a number of corporations are effectively extorting EU bureaucrats in Brussels into giving them hundreds of millions of euros in free carbon credits to keep those companies from moving European jobs to developing countries.

For example, European steelmakers have threatened to leave the EU for India, eliminating the jobs of up to 90,000 European workers in the process, unless the EU grants the steelmakers free carbon credits worth hundreds of millions of euros. As a result, ArcelorMittal, the world’s largest steel company, has gained windfall profits in the form of carbon credits worth nearly €1 billion, for which it paid nothing. By 2012, ArcelorMittal will have accumulated surplus permits for 80 million tons of carbon dioxide, which is equivalent to the pollution generated annually by all of Denmark.

ArcelorMittal is now free to sell its surplus carbon credits on the market or to hoard them for future use. If it hangs on to them, the company will be able to avoid cutting greenhouse gas emissions possibly for decades, effectively undermining the ETS. According to Sandbag, a British NGO that campaigns to improve carbon trading, the EU’s ETS has been turned into “a system for generating free subsidies.”

Even Rajendra K Pachauri, who has been the chairman of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) since 2002, has been suspected of having a role in gaming the EU system to profit from the trade in carbon credits. The Mumbai-based Tata Group, an Indian multinational conglomerate which has business ties to Pachauri (who accepted the Nobel Peace Price on behalf of the IPCC (which it shared with Al Gore in 2007) for its work on global warming), may stand to make several hundred million euros in EU carbon credits simply by closing a steel production facility in Britain.

The EU’s ETS was set up by European bureaucrats in 2005 in order to enable the EU to meet its targets for cutting greenhouse gases under the Kyoto Protocol. It is now by far the largest multi-national cap-and-trade scheme in the world, comprising nearly 75 percent of the value of the global carbon market. The idea behind the ETS is that it reduces carbon dioxide emissions and creates incentives for climate-friendly innovations and so moves European industry onto a low carbon path. Yet, despite the claims, the ETS has failed to achieve its objectives.

Indeed, critics say the only thing the ETS has actually accomplished has been to provide the EU’s biggest polluters with windfall profits, and to increase utility bills for ordinary European citizens. Some analysts believe the ETS is now responsible for between 15 to 20 percent of European power prices, which spiked dramatically in all EU countries after the ETS began operating.

Of course, the ETS has also greatly enhanced the power of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, who seem bound and determined to redistribute global wealth. In the words of Christopher Booker of the Telegraph: “Forget Big Oil: the new world power is Big Carbon. Truly it has been a miracle of our time that they have managed to transform carbon dioxide, a gas upon which all life on earth depends, into a ‘pollutant,’ worth more than diamonds, let alone oil. And many of those now gathered in Copenhagen are making a great deal of money out of it.””

“A winter storm is expected to wallop the D.C. area Saturday.

Copenhagen (CNN) – In a strange twist, a Washington snowstorm is forcing Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, to make an early departure from a global warming summit here in Denmark.
Pelosi told CNN that military officials leading her Congressional delegation have urged the 21 lawmakers to leave Copenhagen several hours earlier than scheduled on Saturday.
The Speaker said she has agreed to the new travel plan so that lawmakers can get back to Washington before much of the expected storm wallops the nation’s capital.”

“This Global Warming SUCKS!!!”

“Isn't almost winter a b!tch? LMAO”

“'Copenhagen is really about killing capitolism, watch this youtube video of all the communist there.'

DC or Little Rock or both, which ever, they would look good dead.”

“Okay the first pillar of Global Socialisim is DYING like a dog run over by a steamroller (Control thru Gorebal Warming scam)...next up is the desire to control health so ...lets see what happens.”

“But, who really controls these things now? Yes , you are right, the tax code does.”

“It's a matter of who's socialism controls these things. Either way it will be socialistic, but the less obvious is the one in charge now, because it hides behind a tax code that makes GW and HC legislation look like childs play.”

“I have to hurry to tell you this, because Jesse Ventura and his team are hot on my trail after the two Keys I have the each turns on and off global warming and global cooli.................................................................................................................................................................... ...---...”

“This board is full of gas leaks.”

“and to think ... winter just started”

“When all of man's heaters play there role in Global Warming. I deny having said that with you Global Coolies watching.”

“1. Mars has experienced slight warming over the last 20 years.....think about that real hard

2. The USA could cease to exist for 100 years and it wouldn't effect global temps one single iota.

3. Social justice and wealth redistribution mean taking your money and giving it to someone else. Does that sound like charity to you?

4. They can't match our performance because they don't enjoy freedom that we do, so taking your freedom is their idea of leveling the playing field.

5. Salebored plays with an Erector Set every single night.”

“When you can tell me of one human activity that does not create heat, get back to me. . You still want to hold the straw man Gore religion as your standard of mans heat addition to our planet and how other factors can overwhelm it's effect. Al stuck his chin out and over stated the effects of man's effects on climate and you're assuming that proves it, man has no effect. Do the running car closed garage test I always speak of.”

“What kind of helicopter did you make out of corn?”

“http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm

ScienceDaily (Dec. 31, 2009) � Most of the carbon dioxide emitted by human activity does not remain in the atmosphere, but is instead absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial ecosystems. In fact, only about 45 percent of emitted carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere.
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To assess whether the airborne fraction is indeed increasing, Wolfgang Knorr of the Department of Earth Sciences at the University of Bristol reanalyzed available atmospheric carbon dioxide and emissions data since 1850 and considers the uncertainties in the data.

In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

The research is published in Geophysical Research Letters”

“http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14096723

Snowstorm squelches climate change protest
By Judy Fahys
The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 12/30/2009 06:36:58 PM MST

A downtown protest of the climate change talks in Copenhagen became a victim of Wednesday's snowstorm.
"Not many people showed up because of the blizzard conditions," said organizer Clea Major, an international studies student at the University of Utah.
It didn't take long for the six friends to pack up a bullhorn and posters they'd planned to use for their "scream-in," an outlet for their frustration about the failure of the Copenhagen climate talks earlier this month to curb the pollution blamed for climate change.
Still, they chatted with a few passers-by during the commuter-hour protest near the Gateway, and explained that, blizzard aside, climate change is expected to bring chaos to the global climate, said Major.
She called Wednesday evening's effort a success and possibly the first in a series. As for the snow, it's not entirely new; a protest she attended last year in Washington, D.C., suffered a similar fate.
"There is always the irony element," Major said.”

“You coolies should apply this weather phenomenon to some stock market investing, have to be almost zero chance of you taking a good Goring.”

“Just saw an exellent show on FOX on the subject. The bad news is that even if congress doesn't pass cap n trade Obama is prepared for and end around them with the recent EPA declaration that CO2 is a toxin.

They are unraveling the fabric of this Nation in the name of social justice and stupid liberals are being led to the slaughter


WHY?”

“And, you are being led to another slaughter by thinking they are completely wrong. Life is not a lite switch, where every thing is defined by on and off. With their exaggerations of these matters, yes, the left certainly leave themselves as the easiest target.

This country is too big to fail you know, I mean, who would pay back all the debt? And remember, even water is a toxin when your too tired to tread water any longer.”

“Hehe, yeah Strat it's gonna happen. Gonna make his buddies zillions. Gonna be not so good for the rest of us tho. Heck, it SHORE is gonna be entertaining tho, for those of us who can tread water the longest.”

“http://www.theage.com.au/world/siberian-winds-usher-in-record-lows-in-beijing-20100103-lna6.html


Beijing - coldest in 40 years”

“http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100103/NEWS/1030352/-1/SiteMap/Feeling-cold?-We-re-at-30-below-normal

Iowa - 30 degrees BELOW normal”

“http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/03/peru-mountain-farmers-winter-cold


Peru's mountain people face fight for survival in a bitter winter

The few hundred people who live here are hardened to poverty and months of sub-zero temperatures during the long winter. But, for the fourth year running, the cold came early. First their animals and now their children are dying and in such escalating numbers that many fear that life in the village may be rapidly approaching an end.

In a world growing ever hotter, Huancavelica is an anomaly. These communities, living at the edge of what is possible, face extinction because of increasingly cold conditions in their own microclimate, which may have been altered by the rapid melting of the glaciers.

(except, the world is NOT getting hotter)”

“Uh HPD, these little linx are nice and all, but regardless if you thank Global Warming is fact or farce, Beijing, Desmoine, and Huancavelica ain't the "world". Other places in the "world" are suffering from being hotter than ever recorded. Being the link-lover you are, post summa them up.

....er not, I just offered it up in case you wuz bored.”

“Ape...can you provide examples?”

“ape - only problem is, the earth's average temperature has been DECREASING over the last 12 years”

“Didn't you watch that movie. Global warming is causing the world to go into an ice age.”

“The earths average temperature is no more known than what size Jordans Gawd wears.”

“As the HEAT WAVE SPREADS!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240319/As-Britain-told-expect-snow-10-days-rest-world-coping-Arctic-weather.html

LOL”

“So far this winter has been too warm and not a lot of snowfall. Its still green here in Bern. I still hope we get some snow and will get a better winter than the last couple of years.

Avalanches are nothing unusual. I have seen many on my hikes or while skiing. Last year I have been on a ski tour in the Kiental. In the afternoon avalanches of heavy, wet snow started to fall. Every couple of minutes we heard them thundering down. Sometimes we wouldn't even bother to look up. Every year people get killed through avalanches. That's how it is and always has been. Usally it's skiers "off the marked routes". Rarely are settlements hit, sometimes a road gets blocked.”

“Didn't you watch that movie. Global warming is causing the world to go into an ice age.�
lumberzac

(non sarcastic font)
This apparently happened during the Little Ice Age (about 1400 to 1850 AD).


The global oceanic conveyer belt (shown above in a simplified illustration), is a unifying concept that connects the ocean's surface and thermohaline (deep mass) circulation regimes, transporting heat and salt on a planetary scale.

The conveyor belt system can be thought of as beginning near Greenland and Iceland in the North Atlantic where dry, cold winds blowing from northern Canada chill surface waters. The combined chilling of surface waters, evaporation, and sea-ice formation produces cold, salty North Atlantic Deep Water (NADW). The newly formed NADW sinks and flows southward along the continental slope of North and South America toward Antarctica where the water mass then flows eastward around the Antarctic continent (in the Antarctic Circumpolar Current). There the NADW mixes with Antarctic waters (i.e., AABW and AADW). The resulting Common Water, also called Antarctic Circumpolar water, flows northward at depth into the three ocean basins (primarily the Pacific and Indian Oceans).

These bottom waters gradually warm and mix with overlying waters as they flow northward. They move to the surface at a rate of only a few meters per year. After rising to the surface in the Pacific, the surface waters flow through the many passages between the Indonesian islands into the Indian Ocean. Eventually they flow into the Agulhas Current, the Indian Ocean boundary current that flows around southern Africa. After entering the Atlantic Ocean, the surface waters join the wind-driven currents in the Atlantic, becoming saltier by evaporation under the intense tropical sun. Trade winds transport some of this water vapor out of the Atlantic Ocean basin, across the Isthmus of Panama, and into the Pacific Ocean basin. Atlantic surface waters eventually return northward to the Labrador and Greenland seas in the North Atlantic.

Continued operation of the oceanic conveyor belt is important to northern Europe's moderate climate because of northward transport of heat in the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Current. The system can weaken or shut down entirely if the North Atlantic surface-water salinity somehow drops too low to allow the formation of deep-ocean water masses. This apparently happened during the Little Ice Age (about 1400 to 1850 AD). The conveyer system shut down and northern Europe's climate became markedly colder. Old paintings from this era show Dutch skaters on frozen canals-something that would not occur during today's climatic regime. Cores extracted from deep-sea sediment deposits contain evidence of earlier cold periods.”