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Pakistan Earth QuakeView MessagesViewing posts 1 to 10 of 10 messages posted.
“Hey, does anyone else remember when all the Islam-o-fascists were saying New Orleans was punishment from Allah? Wonder what they’re saying now?” 9:06:30 AM 10/11/05 Some stratfor analysis “Pakistan: The Earthquake's Political Aftershocks October 10, 2005 21 42 GMT Summary The disputed region of Kashmir has been transformed into a scene of devastation and helplessness as the death toll from a massive earthquake surpassed 40,000 on Oct. 10. The earthquake aftermath heralds significant challenges for Indian-Pakistani relations and for Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf's ability to tame domestic dissatisfaction with slow relief efforts. On a strategic level, the natural disaster has the potential to aid U.S. intelligence operations in the affected region and hamper Kashmir-based militants' capabilities. Analysis More than 40,000 people were reported dead Oct. 10 after a 7.6- magnitude earthquake struck the South Asian subcontinent Oct. 8. The most hard-hit areas were in Kashmir and Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), where entire villages and cities have been swallowed in debris. A common crisis could strengthen relations between rival countries India and Pakistan, which already are on the path toward normalization. Both sides, however, will proceed cautiously in the earthquake's aftermath to avoid losing ground politically on the Kashmir dispute. National relief efforts are generally carried out by a country's military personnel. For this reason, it is no wonder that Pakistan would be wary of India's rapid response to Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf's urgent call for assistance from international donors. Although Pakistan would welcome aid in the form of supplies airlifted from India, it is not too keen on the idea of Indian troops crossing over onto Pakistani soil. The highly contentious Line of Control (LoC) that separates Indian- and Pakistani-administered Kashmir is a cease-fire line and not a clearly demarcated international border -- a further complication for New Delhi and Islamabad, whose troops and military installments along the LoC have been severely disrupted. Final status talks on resolving the Kashmir dispute are still a long way off, but Pakistan has long rejected an Indian proposal to make the LoC a permanent border, favoring a redrawn border that would give Pakistan control over additional Muslim majority areas currently under Indian control. India categorically opposes this idea. The earthquake has produced a highly unsettling effect on the current political arrangement, but India and Pakistan will try to prevent each other from taking advantage of the situation to encroach on each other's territory. Discontent with the government response to the earthquake will lead to more public dissatisfaction with Musharraf's government -- a development that could spell trouble for the country's military ruler. The earthquake is essentially Musharraf's Hurricane Katrina, in terms of the amount of domestic dissent produced by a national tragedy. That said, the absence of any viable political opposition force that can take this situation and leverage it in its favor will allow Musharraf the breathing space he needs to get over this hurdle. Musharraf's political allies routed opposition forces -- both secular and Islamist -- in the recently held local elections. There could be truth to opposition allegations that the government's victory in these elections was due to rigging and disingenuous pre-poll electoral engineering -- but the fact that the opposition has not been able to do anything about the allegations speaks volumes about its impotency. Most Pakistanis view Musharraf's regime as the best the country has, and do not wish to tamper with the status quo. Furthermore, given the sensitivity of the humanitarian cost, no political group would want to be seen trying to use the situation to rack up political mileage. There are strong indications that the earthquake has severely hampered Kashmir-based militant groups' capabilities. Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a derivative of outlawed militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, reported Oct. 9 that the organization's mosques, hospitals and Islamic seminaries had been wiped out by the earthquake. Of extreme geopolitical significance is the possibility that this natural disaster has taken out key members of the al Qaeda apex believed to be hiding out in Pakistan's NWFP. U.S. intelligence forces in the country might also be able to use the relief effort as a way to expand their intelligence-gathering in ongoing joint operations with Pakistani troops against al Qaeda strongholds. The October earthquake marks the third geopolitically significant natural disaster in less than a year, after the December 2004 tsunami and Hurricane Katrina. Already under pressure from Washington to take the reins in rooting out al Qaeda, Musharraf now faces the litmus test of holding his ground on Kashmir and taming internal dissent in the aftermath of the earthquake.” 9:19:35 AM 10/11/05 “Geopolitical Diary: Monday, Oct. 10, 2005 October 10, 2005 10 30 GMT At least 20,000 and perhaps as many as 40,000 people have been killed in a massive earthquake -- registering 7.6 on the Richter scale -- that epicentered about 55 miles northeast of Islamabad, Pakistan, in the Kashmir region, early Oct. 8. Though we do not normally concern ourselves with natural disasters, there are a few -- with Hurricane Katrina the quintessential example -- that can be viewed as geopolitical events; this weekend's earthquake in South Asia is potentially another such event. There are several reasons for this -- not least of which is the fact that the killer temblor struck in the area where top al Qaeda leaders are believed to be hiding. The Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP) is near the epicenter, and U.S. officials have not missed that significance; however, Washington says it has no intelligence on whether Osama bin Laden was killed or injured in the earthquake. At any rate, given the sensitivities within the region, the earthquake poses several possible outcome for al Qaeda and its allies in Pakistan, each carrying equally possible and unique implications for global security: 1. Al Qaeda's senior leaders -- like thousands of others in the region -- perished, crushed beneath their dwellings. 2. Al Qaeda's leaders survived the quake but have been operationally incapacitated. 3. The group's global leadership was eliminated, but the lower- echelon network remains intact. 4. Both the leaders and their facilities escaped the devastation. First, it is important to reiterate why we believe al Qaeda leaders are likely to be taking refuge specifically in the northern districts of the NWFP: It is a region with a fiercely conservative (religious/ tribal) culture and extremely difficult terrain, which would make for a relatively friendly environment for militants dispersing from Afghanistan. Moreover, it has relatively decent communications facilities -- and as we have seen, al Qaeda has kept up a regular stream of video and audio recordings during the past four years. Having said that, we note reports that hundreds of Pakistani and Indian troops manning the Line of Control in mountainous Kashmir were buried beneath tons of earth when the earthquake struck. Because al Qaeda's facilities likely would be camouflaged by the mountainous terrain, it is quite possible that the network's leaders met a similar fate. In fact, given that their dwellings probably would be more makeshift than the military bunkers established by Islamabad and New Delhi, the likelihood that such physical damage occurred is quite high. Whether al Qaeda needs the central leadership supplied by such figures as Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri in order to continue with operations or to be an effective force is a matter of much debate. But at the very least, the demise of these leaders -- in an unforeseen natural disaster -- could be a welcome resolution to some pressing political problems, particularly for President Gen. Pervez Musharraf. Suppose only al Qaeda's facilities have been destroyed, but the leadership survived? This also would affect the network: Like turtles without shells, the leaders would be more vulnerable and considerably weakened -- perhaps fatally, given their global "most wanted" status. Under Scenarios 3 and 4, it would be difficult to prove a demonstrable change from the current situation -- at least in the near term. Regional leaders, such as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and cells in other regions are quite capable of planning and carrying out at least small-scale attacks without direct guidance from bin Laden or al-Zawahiri, and this could be expected to continue. Of course, should there be a significant decline in communications or global operations over time, some of the questions that plague analysts -- concerning the true nature of relations between al Qaeda's recognized central leaders and operatives around the world -- could come nearer to being answered. For U.S. and Pakistani authorities, the worst possible outcome is, obviously, the fourth scenario - full, intact survival. Because relief workers are still struggling to reach some of the affected regions -- and the Pakistani military will be preoccupied with relief and reconstruction efforts for quite some time -- the quake could have purchased al Qaeda's leaders (again, assuming they survived) time and space that could result in improved planning and striking capabilities. From an intelligence standpoint, it will be frustratingly difficult to find the answers to these questions -- and quite possible that the answers will not be found. Nearly 48 hours after the quake struck, there still could be tens of thousands of people buried beneath the rubble, and it easily could be days before relief workers reach them. The slowness of that response, coupled with the fact that searchers are not likely to visit the sites of any camouflaged, secret habitats (assuming they existed), opens up a universe of speculation. In all likelihood, the only way that speculation could be put to rest is for al Qaeda to issue a fresh statement, offering proof that bin Laden or al-Zawahiri managed to survive. But whether such a statement ever is issued will depend entirely on whether it lies within both the leadership's capabilities -- and its interests -- to do so.” 9:21:07 AM 10/11/05 “**** last edited: 10/11/05 9:23:30 AM” 9:22:23 AM 10/11/05 “40,00 dead. Unbelievably horrible. That is a bad enough thing in a country like ours but in a backasswards country like Pakistan? And of course everyone is sending money and of course the Islamic nations are sending jack shlt.” 9:32:56 AM 10/11/05 “Bush is to blame. He was too slow to react to this and didn't send enough money or troops. He hates Pakistanis. He could have warned them this was coming. It's also due to global warming, which is also Bush's fault.” 9:39:53 AM 10/11/05 “"And of course everyone is sending money and of course the Islamic nations are sending jack shlt.” -FrankeNigal KUWAIT CITY: Gulf states have offered emergency aid, including yesterday’s offer of $100m each from Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, to Pakistan and other countries struck by a massive earthquake. Kuwait said half of the amount will be offered in the form of relief assistance while the other $50m will be used to repair infrastructure damaged by the quake. Also, UAE President H H Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan “ordered the allocation of $100m in emergency relief assistance and in order to build houses for the victims of the earthquake,” said the state news agency Wam. In a subsequent dispatch, Wam said that Sheikh Khalifa also ordered UAE armed forces to set up makeshift hospitals in Pakistani areas to provide medical treatment and medicines for the victims. Saudi, Yemen and Bahrain have also pledged to provide immediate humanitarian assistance to Pakistan through their Red Crescent organizations. Appeals for private donations in the Gulf have also been made. “A total of $4.3m has so far been collected in a current account which was opened yesterday in the United Arab Emirates,” Pakistani consulate spokesman Zafer Iqbal said. http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=World_News&month=October2005&file=World_News200510114436.xml” 11:05:45 AM 10/11/05 “Sorry to dispute your hateful delusions.” 11:09:14 AM 10/11/05 “Where's the rest of the muslim countries? This is but a fraction of the Islamic world. Your point is not made Mr. Google.” 11:27:55 AM 10/11/05 “the earth is angry.” 11:34:57 AM 10/11/05
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