Prove to me your Religion is Right

“What evidence or proof would you accept that Jesus is Lord?”

if i knew that i wouldnt be asking


Christ is Lord. Not an intermediary

actually, ive been told he is both”

“Jesus IS Lord, Nigal. He's not an intermediary.”

“sarge, how about Muslims,Hindus,Buddahist and other religions who think their God is the right God. Are they going to hell in your book? If so why,who says they aren't right and your wrong. All boils down to how you were brought up to believe.
IMO they are all the same God. He is just called different names in different religions.

Heck I know people who are devoted Church of Christ members who think that if your not a C of C your going to hell.”

“i dont deny the historical jesus. just the miracles and the salvation”

“Crash - You are asking for Christians to provide evidence for... not a historical person ... but for a God. AND, you have no idea what evidence you would accept. Maybe you should think about that and then ask the question again.

Jesus is both, but that fact remains He is Lord. That means He is God, therefore, you can talk directly to Him.”

“When you say Jesus' fulfillment of the requirements of the Old Testament is "artistic license", you are denying the historical Jesus.”

“Ewker - I know many Christians, including myself, who were not brought up to believe Jesus is Lord, so your theory is wrong.”

“AND, you have no idea what evidence you would accept

that is correct. the burden of proof is on you. come on. you have to admit the whole thing is pretty far-fetched.”

“Ewker - There are many denominations and spin offs on all kinds of religious arguments. The point is that a Christian believes what is written in the Bible. Period. Nothing added to it, nothing taken away. I agree that if somebody tells you only their denomination is the way to Jesus then they are not following Christ, therefore are not Christian.”

“i bet I am more right than you want to admit”

“Crash - You have got to be trolling and I've got to go soon.

The burdon of proof is not on me, that's exactly what you don't understand.”

“When you say Jesus' fulfillment of the requirements of the Old Testament is "artistic license", you are denying the historical Jesus

i dont doubt that there was a man named jesus who may have been very wise and good. when i say "artistic license", i am referring to the miracles and the resurrection”

“How so Ewker? Are you saying I was brought up Christian?”

“im not trolling. i may be flippant because i just got off work and im blowing off steam, but im not trolling”

“Crash - the miracles and the resurrection were witnessed by many people, and recorded very meticulously in historical documents. The copying of those documents through time has been the most meticulous copying of any historical documents known to man. There are not people who denied it happened at the time. Thousands of people were spreading the "good news" of His resurrection unchallenged. The event itself was prophesized in the Old Testament, was was fulfilled to amazing accuracy, a coincidence is a statistical impossibility.”

“"i dont doubt that there was a man named jesus who may have been very wise and good. when i say "artistic license", i am referring to the miracles and the resurrection”

Go to your Jewish historians of the time and see what's there. There were scads of them around at the time. At least eight during the time of Jesus' life and death. See what they say.”

“before you go, ask yourself this: if believing in what you believe in is so great, why do so many doubters doubt (or deny) when believing is so much better? might it be because there is truth in their doubt?”

“Some light heavy reading if you so choose to:

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/questions.html”

“Keep in mind Crash, the Jewish historians at the time were threatened by Jesus because He was teaching them that what matters is not what legalistic actions you take, but what is in your heart. That teaching went against their teachings and was very threatening to them. Jesus knew no human was perfect. He knew their hypocricy and their faults. That is why He had to come to teach the right way - a way of a loving heart and not of "going through the motions". Keep that in mind when you read the Jewish teachings.

PS - You'll also note that they didn't deny His teachings and existence, just His message of Love versus Action.”

“the miracles and the resurrection were witnessed by many people, and recorded very meticulously in historical documents. The copying of those documents through time has been the most meticulous copying of any historical documents known to man. There are not people who denied it happened at the time. Thousands of people were spreading the "good news" of His resurrection unchallenged.

source?”

“Doubters doubt because they want to be in charge. They want control of their destiny. They don't want God as their Lord. That is why Adam fell. He wanted selfish control. People who drink too much want to "feel" in control too, but that doesn't mean they are. Lots of people drink to "feel" in control. Do you think they really are in control? Neither do I.”

“Crash - I'll find a source later ... but in the meantime you can look up how the monks copied the texts. You should find a lot on the subject. It was amazing. They'd even throw out an entire chapter if they made one little mistake. It's not disputed. Remind me tonight if I forget.

I have to get ready to go. (I'm meeting a Christian Senator for dinner). Uh-oh! Separation of church and state!!! *rolls eyes*”

“If you need a study of the evidence for Jesus, you can checkout, The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel”

“Crash - It's funny Matt said that b/c I just told my wife that I'm going to send you 2 books for Christmas, and that is one of them. You know the other (from our emails).

Don't worry. I know your address. :)”

“G-O-D is spelled with three letters.

J-F-K is spelled with three letters.

Abe Lincoln went by the name "Abe" which is also spelled with three letters.

God's son, Jesus, was assasinated. Jesus starts with a J.

JFK was assasinated. His name ALSO starts with a J.

Abe Lincoln was assasinated by John Wilkes Boothe. John starts with a J too!

When you make the sign of the cross and say "In the name of the Father", you touch your head. Both JFK and ABE were shot in the head.

Right about now, you're all giving me a pain in the head.

TROLLS!”

“Oh Crap, Matt is a religious nut. Now I can't post here any more.

But not really.”

“he miracles and the resurrection were witnessed by many people

Uh boy. There's plenty of debunking of that myth for anyone with 10 minutes and access to Google.”

“My religion is right because it can't be wrong!

So Sayeth the Omnipotent Bearmagnet!”

“sarge, who says the bible is right. Different religions had different bibles. It doesn't make them wrong. If you can't recongize that other religions God could be the same one you worship then you are the close minded one. I am open minded enough to realize that could be fact.”

“i think what i have a problem with is the notion that i cannot have a relationship with The Creator without an intermediary. the catholics really take this too far. with them, you got christ, you got the pope, the popettes, the pontiffs, the priests, bishops, this great chain of command thats just ludicrous. im more with the jews on this one: i dont need an intermediary, and no son born of woman is god (some believe that to suggest so is blasphemy) Crash Bang

you pretty much summed up exactly the way i think...i stray away from the "organized" churches for this reason...this is exactly how my church believes and teaches”

“Mr. Crash Bang,

Before you go out and "Challenge" people about their belief and Faith, maybe, you should provide your proof that Jesus is not the way to eternal salvation and why you don't believe that he is the savior.

I would like to hear your "convincing argument". I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I have seen nothing from you, as of yet, that isn't demeaning or belittling others for what they believe, and nothing to give you any substance for your beliefs.


Thanks!

---STOGIE---
.....o~`o”

“who the hell is stogie???

anyway, crash if you've got an hour to spare some sunday you might want to check out my church...they have a "franchise" in Mishawaka...if i'm not mistaken you're from around south bend?...the church is called the vineyard...i hope inviting you to church doesn't make you uncomfortable, i know it used to do that to me...but this is completely different than "normal" church

http://www.vccmishawaka.org/index.htm”

“Why is it that when people talk to G-d, it's called praying and when G-d talks to us, we're considered nuts?”

“LOL...it's not just when god talks to you it's when he tells you to burn down your local walmart cause it's evil that people think you're nuts”

“Well what did he tell you, Tree?”

“Does it really matter who I am?”

“easy killer, it's just for grins”

“How can I, without revealing my affiliation,and chime in? Mama said dont talk religion and politics with friends. But, I must throw this out to ponder: I believe it was the french mathematician Pasquale? who had the Pasquale's wager: If I believe and follow Christ and he isnt real, what have I lost? But at what cost have I if I ignore and he is real?

Can you imagine early mankind without religion left to formulate ethics and morality on their own?
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“this thread is actually bizzare for TT. Keep it coming.”

“that's weird biggun, i was thinking about the exact same thing just now

wow, this is a cool excerpt from the website that nigal posted above:

Your last question has been asked of me by many Christians. It is a well-worn argument popularized by C.S. Lewis, and it seeks to cage a non-Christian into only three possible options regarding who Jesus was. These three options are: Was Jesus A) a liar B) a lunatic C) Lord? This line of questioning, however, is preposterous because there is a far more likely option that you had not offered me from which to choose: D) Jesus never claimed to be the messiah, but rather this was a claim placed in his mouth by others. In fact, option D is consistent with Jewish tradition regarding Jesus, which holds that Jesus never professed to be the messiah, although others would make this claim for him. It may be for this reason that Jesus almost3 never claims to be the messiah throughout the New Testament.”

“If you only believe to hedge your bet and he's real, then you might lose.

The again, you might not lose just because you don't believe.”

“He told me the Jesus thing was overrated and that he has special plans for Mel Gibson. He also told me tomorrow's lottery numbers. E mail me and I will spread the wealth.

And, he said that Sarge isn't really dead. He just smells funny!

Also, that when i die, I won't go to heaven. My soul is going to a garage in Buffalo that has a leaky roof. Not to worry, though. He assured me that a pretty kickin' band practices in there and they have beer!
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“yes bear there are four possible results to that variable no assymptotes. Excellent analysis”

“did he also tell you were the person that started this thread is?? :)”

“Yeah! I think he turned Crash into a newt!”

“Bush won the election. What more proof do you need.”

“maybe he's at church LOL”

“Right, Bacpac! And he's hard at work trying to prevent a pandemic of bird flu. REPENT NOW!!!! The four chickens of the apocalypse are coming and they pissed!!!”

“Why my lord God exists:

ARGUMENT FROM DIVINE RIGHT
(1) God saves the queen.
(2) The queen hasn't died.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

MODIFIED TRILEMMA ARGUMENT
(1) Jesus was either lord, liar, or lunatic.
(2) Can you PROVE He was a liar or lunatic?
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM SCIENCE (II)
(1) Everything was fine until man created science.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

But by far my most favorite argumnent for the existance for the lord my God....

ARGUMENT FROM AMERICA, aka GEORGE W. BUSH'S ARGUMENT
(1) God bless America.
(2) You're either for us or against us remember.
(3) Therefore, God exists.”

“You get to party with the goo goo dolls after you die?

Crash doesn't look like a newt?”