Cut-N-Run Democrats

“The clear divide in legacies couldn’t be clearer, and no manner of historical revisionism can change the truth.

Niiiiiice. Spin this one:

Reagan ignored warnings of attack that killed 241 soldiers

By CALVIN WOODWARD, ASSOCIATED PRESS
Jan 31, 2006, 08:34

A former defense secretary for Ronald Reagan says he implored the president to put Marines serving in Beirut in a safer position before terrorists attacked them in 1983, killing 241 servicemen.

"I was not persuasive enough to persuade the president that the Marines were there on an impossible mission," Caspar Weinberger says in an oral history project capturing the views of former Reagan administration officials.

Recollections of an initial 25 Reagan aides were released this week by the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia. Altogether, scholars interviewed 45 Cabinet members, White House staffers and campaign advisers in a project begun in 2001, when Reagan was secluded with advanced stages of Alzheimer's disease. Reagan died in June 2004 at the age of 93.

Transcripts offer largely admiring portraits by Reagan's chief loyalists and Weinberger is no exception, crediting the president with restoring U.S. power and outfoxing the Soviet Union.

But he said one of his greatest regrets was in failing to overcome the arguments that "'Marines don't cut and run,' and 'We can't leave because we're there'" before the devastating suicide attack on the lightly armed force.

"They had no mission but to sit at the airport, which is just like sitting in a bull's-eye," Weinberger said. "I begged the president at least to pull them back and put them back on their transports as a more defensible position but Reagan ignored my warnings."”

“Another thing you might want to point out, Mutt, is that the supposed newspaper article you posted above is a frickin' Letter to the Editor, loser.”

“A new Gallup poll released today revealed another upward bump in the number of Amercians who now want a complete U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq in the next 12 months.

That number now stands at 55%, with 19% supporting immediate withdrawal and another 36% wanting it done by August 2007.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002950052”

“Sure are a lot of extreme-left-wing-liberal-moveon type-haters out there.
last edited: 8/03/06 3:36:33 PM”

“79% of americans believe in the virgin birth, and 55% believe the Bible is literally accurate

sure are a lot of right-wing-rush-limbaugh-ann-coulter-christians out there

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6650997/site/newsweek/

... hola!”

“LOL
There ya go!
Both equally invalid.
[VBG]”

“65% of democrats believe Janet Reno would be a good lay.”

“83% of all statistics are made up.”

“72% of me finds that statistic questionable”

“Just because a poll says something, it doesn't mean it's right.

It also doesn't mean it's a good thing for the Democratic Party.

The current level of casualties is sustainable long-term. I mean we only lose a few American soldiers each day. That is doable.

And if it keeps gas prices in the neighborhood of $3 and keeps an absolute slaughter from happening in the country, it is well worth the cost.

I also think that the Democrats have a chance to bash the Republicans with the issue of national defense.

Democrats lost that issue during the Vietnam War and have never gotten it back.

This is the chance. But making a forced pullout from Iraq will abandon that chance.

If that is the result of the upcoming elections (2006 and 2008), I'll bet it will be a temporary victory for the Democrats.”

“Oh come on now. Hanoi Jane was great for the Democrats.




"I would think that, if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would become communists."

Jane Fonda”

“Heh. That's almost a fargin' crazy as this.”

“Not even close”

“12 months is cut and run?”

“"It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."

Giordano Bruno”

“Now that we're back in 1982 again. What will be different this time---just the amount of money the US taxpayers will give to all the theocracies.”

“It's hard to know what these people mean when they say they want the US out in 12 months. Does it mean they want the US out no matter what happens, or do they want a plan that will get the job done and let the troops come home all in 12 months.”

“I think we should all call the networks and/or their advertisers and demand that the Iraq war be picked up for another season.”

“Best idea yet, HyWay”

“Follow the road map,dah dah DAH dahdah, road map.”

“BTW, beautiful work by Senator Clinton the other day to slam down on Rumsfeld.

She is positioning herself perfectly. Anti-administration, but strong on national defense.”

“Oh, and she's the only one with enough liberal street-cred to pull the lefties to the center.”

“Run Hill! Run!
LOL”

“With so many channels, why not another season or two?

So what if its a sequel. During the first Iraq war show featuring President Bush, Jonatha Brooke said:

Every morning I get up and I watch the war, watch the war
And every morning it upstages all my favorite shows--Donahue, Hogan's Heroes
(chorus:)
It's the American way, the new world order
We hold these truths to be self-evident
In the American day, you must give and I shall take,
And I will tell you what is moral and what's just
Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I kill
Every morning I get up and I raise the flag,
Salute the monument of those who gave their lives
And I guess war's OK, it's just a little inconvenient, but it's better
Than a video game...it's better than the movies
(chorus)
Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I kill
And every morning I get up and I watch the war, watch the war
And every morning it upstages everything I know...
(chorus)
Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I
Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I
Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I”

“Speaking of Cut-N-Run Heros........


http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060803-112200-4787r.htm

Lieberman rival Ned Lamont owns stock in Wal-Mart

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
last edited: 8/04/06 1:04:24 PM”

“WMT has not been the best of stocks for years.”

“Run Hill! Run!
LOL”
StoveStomper
12:15:48 PM
8/04/06

I saw a few cars with bumper stickers that said. One had it on the back bumper and the other car had it on the front.”

“LOL.....I got to listen to the Ben Franklin story about his years in France...WOW we declared Independence in 1776 it was like 1787 before we got things going....lets see that is l1ke 11 YEARS????

Ofcourse we were building a new nation and government without the invasion of Hispanic or Canadian Terrorists.....One other neat thing is that at its best the Independence movement was only supported by about 30% of the nation. Man I am glad the surrender weasels were not around durng that time.”

“Of course, we were still fighting the British well into the 1800s.

We must be prepared to stay in Iraq for 50 years.”

“You know....the 42nd President promised we would only be in Yugoslavia for ONE year....lets see that was....?”

“This is funny! XL makes an analogy between A) an indigineous movement in a small society trying to get off on its own while throwing off the the power and influence of the dominant world power of its day and B) a government allied with a huge occupying force employed by thedominant world power of it's day.

This is definitely an analogy that conceals far more than it could possibly reveal.”

“That said, we do need a way to succeed in Iraq. But pretending Bush's guys and the high level brass haven't majorly botched things so far will only lead to massive and spectacular failure.”

“Ped actually I am somewhat concerned with these clowns in charge. I have some close friends who knew these guys when they were in the 1990's. They were barracks soldiers. They knew more about politics than tactics. Sadly we don't have any enemies who will help thin out the crowd of senior Officers. Since major conflicts tend to prove Generals we are going through a time like the Northern aggressors did in the 1860's.

Sadly the President does not have the willingness to tell the media off...Granted Lincoln and Roosevelt used their position to control the media.....”

“In other wars we also had more shake ups in military command. Oddly it hasn't happened here. We also had Senate hearings lighting a fire under some butts at other times.

If we aren't going to play this any smarter, then we might as well cut and run now. Cutting and runing would be a disaster. Setting a short term time table could be even worse. More of the same might just trump those two scenarios for the bitterness of the results.”

“Ped, one of the things we have lost since Korea is the "Military Objective". I wonder what would have happened if we had gotten to Baghdad then turned to Damscus then found a reason to go on into Iran....”

“Stove: That certainly smells like hypocrisy and could doom Lamont in the primary. Speaking at a anti-Walmart rally while concealing his direct ownership of Walmart stock doesn't seem justifiable to me. (although shorting the stock and then going on a political anti-Walmart crusade would be sleazier).”

“Why do some Southerners question US citizens "patriotism" while still calling the Civil War some name dredged up by an obviously unpatriotic disillusioned redneck?

Will Iraqi's always think of this War as the War of American Aggression?”

“The name War of Northern Aggression is used by some to refer to at least two wars commonly known by other names.

In southern parts of the USA, to refer to the American Civil War
In Mexico, to refer to the Mexican-American War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Northern_Aggression

War of Northern Aggression
This term emphasizes claims by Confederate partisans that the North invaded the South. It never was a popular usage as an explicit name for the war, but was popularized by neo-confederates in the 1980s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_the_American_Civil_War”

“The reason we didn't go to Tehran, XL, is because Bush fights wars on the cheap.

Before the Iraq Civil War, Bush and the boys were sitting around saying, "How can we get at Iran?"

And someone in the room said, "Oh, I know. Let's invade Iraq so we can put pressure on Iran."

Well, that didn't work so well, so a couple of weeks ago they were all asking "How can we get at Iran?"

And someone in the room says, "Let's attack Hezbollah."

If we were truly committed to fighting this war on Islamofascism, we would have a draft, we wouldn't have troops huddled together in any Green Zone, we would raise taxes, we would legally mandate energy conservation and alternative fuels, and...

...if Iran is the problem, let's start dealing with Iran.”

“Why do some Southerners question US citizens "patriotism" while still calling the Civil War some name dredged up by an obviously unpatriotic disillusioned redneck?

good point

i cant think of a more unpatriotic thing to do than to secede from the union

i can see it now, stove, ewker, and bacpac marching hand in hand 130 years ago, burning ole glory

VBG”

“Please do tell, how was the War of Northern Aggression a Civil War? I thought that a Civil War involved one part of a Nation trying to overthrow the other part....the South was just attempting to break from the Union, not overthrow the Union.”

“"It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."
- Feb. 7, 2003 - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, to U.S. troops in Aviano, Italy

http://www.usatoday.com/educate/war28-article.htm”

“2 entries found for civil war.
civil war
n.
A war between factions or regions of the same country.
A state of hostility or conflict between elements within an organization: “The broadcaster is in the midst of a civil war that has brought it to the brink of a complete management overhaul” (Bill Powell).
Civil War The war in the United States between the Union and the Confederacy from 1861 to 1865. Also called War Between the States.
Civil War The war in England between the Parliamentarians and the Royalists from 1642 to 1648.


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civil war

n : a war between factions in the same country
last edited: 8/06/06 7:36:35 PM”

“but please feel free to make up your own definitions as you go, s-rge-lite”

“OOOOH lets see...the SOUTH wanted to separate and create a NEW COUNTRY. Crash that means....they did not consider themselves part of one country but a different nation. And as for being Sarge Lite...thank you.”

“and they never succeeded in breaking away, did they? all talk

i can consider myself a purple jackalope but that doesnt make me one”

“Wow a PURPLE (unique choice of colors I would think) Jackalope.”

“Anyone else seeing the phrase "Common-Sense Conservative" in your local Republican primaries?

There have to be four or five Republican candidates running for Congress around here using that term.

I love two things about that phrase.

First, Republican candidates are finding it more difficult to run as, well, Republicans. In many places it now carries the same connotation as "Liberal." They have to be conservatives instead.

I also love the phrase "Common-Sense." Essentially, these Republican candidates are saying, "Yeah, I'm in the GOP, but I'm not one of those looney, Armaggedon-pushing, war-crazy, spendaholic Republicans. I actually think logically."

A Republican who thinks logically? Imagine that!”

“"Yeah, I'm in the GOP, but I'm not one of those looney, Armaggedon-pushing, war-crazy, spendaholic Republicans. I actually think logically."


OOOH!!!! I heard the same stuff about this guy from California...yeah he was going to push the Soviets into a WAR with us...and he kept talking tough and refused to just give in during conferences...and guess what! WE WON, thats right we defeated (pretty much with the support of the people supporting us now) the Evil Empire.

Sorry RL the problem is that many 'Republicans" have lost touch with the Reagan era of smaller government, more personal responsibility. The sad thing it WORKS everytime it is used. But as I have said before, the Blue Bloods of the Dole/Ford/Bush world are running the party. That is why I am not one of them.”

“See, even you are doing it.

But you are living in a dream world. The Republican Party of which you speak no longer exists. And given the incredible rise of government spending/deficits during Reagan's term, it is a party that never really existed.

Reagan was a good president. But, he maintained regular back-channel diplomacy with Iran. Shoot, he even sold them weapons. He fought wars, but mostly against places like Grenada and Libya - small scale wars that didn't overextend our national defenses.

Reagan liked to dialogue with the Soviet Union. Imagine that. He talked to the same Communist Bloc that had killed so many of our soldiers in Korea and Vietnam. He faced our enemies from a position of strength, but realized that the military was best used to gain negotiating leverage.

And Reagan gets all the credit for the fall of the Soviet Union, but that was a complicated event. I would propose to you that the poor economic situation in the Soviet Union was well on its way to crumbling before Reagan ever took office. I would also propose that Pope John Paul II and Solidarity had more to do with that fall than Reagan. And I would also propose that Reagan's ability to negotiate during summit meetings gave Gorbachev the incentive and space to push forward with Glasnost.

And the Reagan presidency was the beginning of the biggest expansion of government we have ever seen in this country. His use of massive deficit spending is the template that government follows ten times over today.

But the victor calls the tune and the subsequent Republican majority has been able to paint over the less palatable aspects of the Reagan presidency.

BTW, the Democrats controlled Congress for most of that time. :) Divided government is the best government.”