"Intelligent Design" & Public Schools

“the problem with advocates of intelligent design is that they think that arguments against evolution are arguments for intelligent design. they can't stand their theory up on it's own without a platform to launch their criticism. it's always "if evolution should be taught then so should intelligent design".”

“the peanut butter "experiment" is a criticism of life from non-life.

evolution is about the origin of species, not the origin of life. evolution requires life somehow enter into the scene but doesn't specify how this process works. what happened from before life existed until the moment life first existed is not a topic covered by evolution. after that evolution describes only the diversification of life through processes of natural selection and genetic drift.

so, more correctly, the peanut butter "experiment" is a criticism of "abiogenesis" as a process for life forming from non-life. these theories are, for the record, not taught in public schools as they are a topic for advanced biology classes.
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“the problem with advocates of intelligent design is that they think that arguments against evolution are arguments for intelligent design. they can't stand their theory up on it's own without a platform to launch their criticism. it's always "if evolution should be taught then so should intelligent design".

That's true of the loud ones, and it's also true the loud evolutionists argue evolution against ID.”

“Must be just about time to burn me some goat flesh!”

“It's a rare scientist that could spend 2 1/2 billion years for his peanutbutter to mature to life like status. Make sure to record all the 'best if used before dates. I'll take goat liver.”

“The Peanut butter experiment is the equivalent of me saying God has stuck people dead for worshiping graven images and then saying "Oh Sacred image of a cow, I worship you" and saying I've disproved the existence of God because I ain't dead yet. It comes from a point of near complete misunderstanding and ignorance.”

“Intelligent Design needs to evolve a little before it gets standing as a theory. For now, it is a hypothesis.
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“Now that's an interesting turn of phrase.

Just in passing, my highschool Biology teacher mentioned experiments into biogenesis.... how electrical shocks applied to various 'primordial soup' recipes had produced some basic proteins.  We didn't go into any of the Organic Chemistry involved with that, thank God.  

We did, however, have a chemistry teacher who gave us a 2-week primer on those organics and many serious braincramps occurred.

Hey, it was the 70's.

Anyone else recall the joys of "Unified Physics & Chemistry"?”

“abiogenesis would claim that the RIGHT non-living matter under the RIGHT conditions could produce life. it doesn't say that random types of matter and randomly applied energy will eventually produce life if you try enough combinations for a long enough period of time.

to argue that out of billions of jars of peanut butter ONE should have contained life if abiogenesis was possible is like saying 1 + 1 will equal three if you add long enough. 1 + 1 will never equal three (because it's a false statement) no matter how many experiments you perform.

another fault in the experiment. they would argue that i couldn't show them one jar of peanut butter that had life spontaneously form in it. i would argue that they couldn't show me a billion jars that don't. all they have is a hollow analogy that preys on what people would consider "common sense". they can't perform an experiment to support their theory so they poorly concoct one to tear down the one they don't support.”

“you guys still arguing with the peanut butter people?

They must've really got to you. LOL!”

“i love that video!”

“lmfao! i saw that on tv a while ago. that episode was hilarious!”

“As recent events have made apparent, only one force has kept the wrath of a “lonely and bitter” Christ at bay. Recent court rulings concerning the teaching of Creationism in schools, however, have effectively removed the scientific restraints of the massive savior, who is now rampaging freely in the South.

Dr. Paul Frumgaur, commenting on this quite unnatural disaster, was quoted as saying “As our nation’s ability to reason and associate empirical data with nature deteriorates, Jesus is simply taking advantage of the situation and is now rampaging freely through the countryside.”

Frumgaur added, “I am not being metaphoric. He’s crushing everything.”


http://www.themq.com/index.php?articles_id=329&issue=122”

“Good!

Anthropogenic global warming is as un-scientific as intelligent design, and should definitely NOT be taught in public school science classes.
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“and should definitely NOT be taught in public school science classes.

That isn't what the judge said.
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“I know - that's just my opinion.”

“But judges are always right. Just like in the Terri Schiavo case. Right?”

“Sounds like this school could use some intelligent re-design.”

“bark ---> wrong tree”

“It has about as much to do with the thread topic as some limey judge's decision about watching a movie, doncha think?”

“Um, that wasn't a commentary on the relevance to the thread topic, I was commenting on your link.”

“MY FAVORITE THREAD!”

“Are there any proponents of this silly creationism-in-"disguise" alternative to fairy tales here anymore?”

“Good program on NOVA last night.”

“Huh. Guess not.


Good!”

“This whole place was made in Heaven, don't you know nothin'?”

“I've heard by scientists, even on here, that unproven theories do not belong in science class.

The Big Bang is unproven, and still widely disputed by scientists.

double standards abound”

“"unproven theories" are indeed being taught in science classes.”

“Our mortality is a border fence in our quest to immigrate toward truth and understanding. Big bang substitutes as a beginning and the bible supplies the end.”

“If I could mix drinks the way I mix metaphors, that'd be a real pistol wouldn't it?”

“I am not for teaching ID in our schools, but if man-made global warming is allowed to be taught, then so should ID. They both rely more on emotion than real facts.”

“ID is hardly reliant on emotions.

I love it when atheists confuse ID with religion. Demonstrates well their stupidity.”

“That's a good point, hyway.”

“If it is intelligent, it couldn't be religion? Is that what I heard?

One can't close the lid when standing in the bowl.
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“What empirically testable predictions has ID made that have actually been tested and supported by observation?”

“Please, we know that humans release heat into the environment, but the quantity and the affects and effects are in question. Global Warming is different from Gorebal Warning, don't let gore critics turn you into ignorant observers.”

“http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/personal/11/16/flying.spaghettimonster.ap/index.html

Let's just give this a nudge...”

“sale, you are correct. I should have state "if Gorebal Warming is allowed". I disagree with the analysis and solution of the data as proposed by Gore. There is no question that the Earth warms and cools over time.”

“http://www.realclimate.org/


Wait 'til the Pastafarians start taking over school boards..... ARRRRRRRR!”

“Um evolution and ID are not mutually exclusive”

“because it was created not to be. thats the point.”

“Gorebal WarNing is the over complicated pseudo scientific religion that is only surpassed by AGW(Anti-Gorebal Warning) in waste of time and exhaled CO2.

Westpoint is not a madrassa
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“[img]Um evolution and ID are not mutually exclusive��[/img]

true. but ID and natural selection are”

“Wow. That's just sad.”

“whats just sad?”

“Your trolling attempt. You can't possibly believe that.”

“so you believe in natural selection? you believe that the human species is 6 or 7 million years old and evolved from ape-LIKE creatures?

so, to what extent do you believe the Intelligent Designer intervenes in the universe?”