"Intelligent Design" & Public Schools

“This thread itself is pretty much a refutation of ID.

Would a creator ever design a creature prone to such pointless bickering?”

“Pointless?!?!? Showing religionists their religious myths are fiction is never pointless. If a life time of "bickering" turns even one person off of christianity, it's worth it!”

“I gave both god and mother nature IQ test, god got caught using a book and MN missed all the miracle questions.”

“BOZEMAN — A Republican state lawmaker is criticizing Gov. Brian Schweitzer for comments he made to a newspaper here about the lawmaker‘s belief that the planet is not millions of years old.

STORY”

“all i know is im speshull coz gawd dont make no junk”

“Crash Bang, you bumpkin!”

“damn luddites”

“Another BOE figures it out:

LANSING, Mich. (AP) ─ The State Board of Education on Tuesday approved public school curriculum guidelines that support the teaching of evolution in science classes ─ but not intelligent design.
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The guidelines approved Tuesday detail what the state expects school districts to teach in their science classes. If a district or teacher chose to include intelligent design in a science class, they could face a court challenge from opponents of teaching intelligent design.

http://www.livescience.com/history/061011_ap_michigan_evolution.html”

“Who got blown in Michigan?”

“Mostly those who had visitors from Ohio.”

“they taught me in middle school we'd be out of oil in 20 years

I'd like to sue those science teachers. I stored all that fuel in my underground bunker when I coulda had women down there.”

“Ha! Weenie's been hanging out with his brothers Toivo and Oni again!”

“Falwell’s Flub: Jerry-Rigged Policy Opens Door For Pagan Proselytizing In Virginia Public School

A group of Pagans in Albemarle County, Va., was recently given permission to advertise their multi-cultural holiday program to public school children – and they have the Rev. Jerry Falwell to thank for it.

http://blog.au.org/2006/12/falwells_flub_j.html

a ha ha ha! nice going jerry!”

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Anti-evolution memo stirs controversy

By Jeremy Redmon | Thursday, February 15, 2007, 01:37 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

The Anti-Defamation League is calling on state Rep. Ben Bridges to apologize for a memo distributed under his name that says the teaching of evolution should be banned in public schools because it is a religious deception stemming from an ancient Jewish sect.

Bridges (R-Cleveland) denies having anything to do with the memo. But one of his constituents said he wrote the memo with Bridges’ approval before it was recently distributed to lawmakers in several states, including Texas, California, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

“Indisputable evidence — long hidden but now available to everyone — demonstrates conclusively that so-called ‘secular evolution science’ is the Big-Bang 15-billion-year alternate ‘creation scenario’ of the Pharisee Religion,” the memo says. “This scenario is derived concept-for-concept from Rabbinic writings in the mystic ‘holy book’ Kabbala dating back at least two millennia.”

The memo calls on lawmakers to introduce legislation that would end the teaching of evolution in public schools because it is “a deception that is causing incalculable harm to every student and every truth-loving citizen.”

It also directs readers to a Web site www.fixedearth.com, which includes model legislation that calls the Kabbala “a mystic, anti-Christ ‘holy book’ of the Pharisee Sect of Judaism.” The Web site also declares “the earth is not rotating … nor is it going around the sun.”

The Anti-Defamation League says the assertions in the memo border on anti-Semitism.

“Your memo conjures up repugnant images of Judaism used for thousands of years to smear the Jewish people as cult-like and manipulative,” Bill Nigut, the ADL’s Southeast regional director, wrote in an e-mail to Bridges Thursday. “I am shocked and appalled that you would send this anti-Semitic material to colleagues and friends, and call upon you to repudiate and apologize for distributing this highly offensive memo.”

Bridges denied writing or authorizing the memo.

“I did not put it out nor did I know it was going out,” Bridges said. “I’m not defending it or taking up for it.”

The memo directs supporters to call Marshall Hall, president of the Fair Education Foundation Inc., a Cornelia, Ga.-based organization that seeks to show evolution is a myth. Hall said he showed Bridges the text of the memo and got his permission to distribute it.

“I gave him a copy of it months ago,” said Hall, a retired high school teacher. “I had already written this up as an idea to present to him so he could see what it was and what we were thinking.”

Hall said his wife Bonnie has served as Bridges’ campaign manager since 1996.

Bridges acknowledged that he talked to Hall about filing legislation this year that would end the teaching of evolution in Georgia’s public schools. Bridges said the views in the memo belong to Hall, though Bridges said he doesn’t necessarily disagree with them.

“I agree with it more than I would the Big Bang Theory or the Darwin Theory,” Bridges said. “I am convinced that rather than risk teaching a lie why teach anything?”

Bridges sponsored unsuccessful legislation in 2005 that would have required Georgia’s teachers to introduce scientific evidence challenging evolution.

Asked about the ADL’s call for an apology, Bridges said: “I regret that these people have been offended, but I didn’t offend them because I didn’t put the memo out.”

A Texas lawmaker says he is now “willing to apologize” for giving fellow legislators the memo Tuesday, The Dallas Morning News reported today.

“The stuff that causes conflicts between religious beliefs, you know, I’d never be a party to that,” Texas House Appropriations Chairman Warren Chisum told the Morning News Wednesday. “I’m willing to apologize if I’ve offended anyone.”

The newspaper reported Chisum made his comments after he learned the Anti-Defamation League was demanding an apology in a letter to his office.

The National Center for Science Education, an Oakland, Calif.-based organization that defends the teaching of evolution in public schools, said the assertion that evolution is linked to an ancient Jewish sect is “bizarre.”

“Evolution is recognized as a central unifying principle of the biological sciences by the scientific community and the education community,” said Glenn Branch, the center’s deputy director.

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/georgia/entries/2007/02/15/antievolution_m.html”

“LMAO!

“I agree with it more than I would the Big Bang Theory or the Darwin Theory,” Bridges said. “I am convinced that rather than risk teaching a lie why teach anything?”

I guess he would therefore support the banning of Intelligent Design... a lie that was exposed in a court of law in in Pennsylvania last year (the Dover BOE trial).

The man is a mental midget. The fact the he equates the Big Bang Theory (a theory on the origin of matter and energy... the Universe) with Evolution (a theory on the diversification of species) only goes to prove that his agenda is a religions one based on ignorance and opinion.”

“LOL..the best is that the Neal Boortz show called his office to ask if he believed the earth did not rotate on its axis ....they had....NO COMMENT (ROTFLMAO)...

The really sad thing is that if you study evolution it even makes the existence of God more evident.....or as I asked my son's teacher, "You are saying God would not be able to design a creature that could survive Millions of years of global change?"”

“god obscures his existence since knowledge denies faith... if you know something is true as an observable fact then you don't need faith to accept that thing... you can see it! so anything that would make the existence of god more evident in fact denies the need for faith and hence the need for god.”

“I spent a lot of time pondering this faith thing, asking a couple of my more smug & smirky friends why they seemed to have it and others do not. No answer but for continued smirking. I am currently left thinking that some folks can just pretend more than others.”

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Wow -- more crackpots from Georgia.

I couldn't be more proud.


         Hail Eris

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“The very principal of that.”

“The truth is out:

http://fixedearth.com/”

“LMAO!”

“That is a Total of 67 Verses from the Bible Which Say that It Is the Sun that Moves and Not the Earth!

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# of Verses from the Bible Which Say

that It Is the Earth that Moves and Not the Sun:

0

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Will You...your Preacher...your Church Boldly

Stand With The Bible on this Creationist Teaching??

In the Biblical Creation there was, after all,

no sun for the earth to go around

until the fourth day!

http://fixedearth.com/sixty-seven%20references.htm”

“good gravy!”

“well... within the ability of most people's ability to observe the earth IS stationary. i mean astromonomy came a long way until retrograde motion of the planets blew everything out of the water. then a simpler theory was adoped...”

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International Earth Rotation Service (IERS)
Bulletin A: Rapid Earth Orientation Data

Summary
2006-12-22

[from the Explanatory Supplement to IERS Bulletins A and B, http://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/products/bulletins/explanatory.html]

IERS Bulletins A and B provide current information on the Earth's orientation in the IERS Reference System. This includes Universal Time, coordinates of the terrestrial pole, and celestial pole offsets.

Bulletin A gives an advanced solution updated twice weekly by e-mail subscription or daily by anonymous ftp; the standard solution is given monthly in Bulletin B and updated twice weekly in the (IERS) C04 solution. The Annual Report contains information on the data used, the models, the algorithms and the reference frames, as well as revised solutions for the past years. All solutions are continuous within their respective uncertainties. Bulletin A is issued by the IERS Rapid Service/Prediction Centre at the U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington ; Bulletin B is issued by the IERS Earth Orientation Centre at the Paris Observatory.

For scientific and long-term analyses of the Earth's orientation, users are advised to request the long-term continuous series maintained by the Earth Orientation Centre from 1846 (pole components), 1962 (UT), and 1981 (dPsi, dEpsilon) to the current date.

All solutions are available electronically.”

“In the military the operations manuals are periodically updated with pen and ink changes, page changes and, eventually, a rewrite of the complete document. Christianity ought to adopt a similar process for making changes to acknowledge scientific reality. The Bible should be considered a living document in the sense that it is always being written and changes made to reflect same. If this were so, it could be taken more seriously, perhaps. If I do not post from this point forward, I will be in hell.”

“Have fun. You know, don't you, many post on this board already come via hell?”

“Actually, I don't know that.”

“i have no problem with christians denying science in the name of their faith... it's sort of expected... it's faith... so denial of "common sense" is possible and expected... but it irks me when they try to redefine science so it fits their faith. what good is faith if you redefine the things around you so they are easier to accept?

i guess i am saying that if i were a christian i would accept the discrepancies between science and the bible as a way to reinforce my faith. i wouldn't try to make maintaining my faith easier by redefining science.”

“How come all those guys look the way I imagine Tilt to be?”

“I must take issue with one detail in the above portrayals. I don't think Merlin had a buckle on his hat like a Pilgrim! LOL


I gotta go check out a mirror ---”

“Tilt,tilt!! windex first.”

“yeah, sure... big windex fan here”

“the other big problem i have with creationists is that they think that arguments AGAINST evolution are arguments FOR creationism.

just once i think i would like to hear a creationist argue why their theory should be taught in a public school without using the words "darwin" and "evoloution".”

“You nailed it.”

“...well, christians believe Christ rose from the dead after being dead several days. evidence on hand says this doesn't happen. yet their faith allows them to accept this as true. i can not prove that Christ did or did not rise from the dead. my theory that people don't rise from the dead after several days is useful, simple, and can be validated with observation. yet it can't be used to prove that in the case of Christ this didn't happen.

see, the problem is that comparing religion/faith with science is like comparing apples to oranges. they both represent bodies of knowledge with rules about how information is brokered in and out, but the rules are different and the way the information is used is different. it's simply not fair to say one is better or more effective than the other.

when my mother in law was slowly dying of cancer many years back all the science in the world didn't help her nor did it make my wife better understand and accept the suffering. her faith, on the other hand, provided her with great comfort. so you tell me which theory was more useful to my wife in accepting the nature of the universe around her as she related to it?

they both work, just for different purposes. when you cross the two is when you get into a mess.

just imo”

“Right. Exactly. So why teach faith in science class?”

“".....when you cross the two is when you get into a mess."

Yup, so keep it out of publicly-funded science classes and we can drop this silly bickering.”

“No argument, Jimmy San. Something got this whole ball of wax into motion; I call that God. Voltaire spoke for me when he said "It's as important to believe in God and not believe in religion as it is to believe in medicine and not believe in doctors."...or something like that.”

“bicker, bicker, bicker, ha-ha-ha, bicker, bicker, bicker. etc.”

“Silly Nimblefoot.....”

“i should add, to the credit of the science, that the therapy she went through in her early stages of cancer easily gave her a year or more of quality life... time with her grandkids they she... and her grandkids... would not have had otherwise.”

“Beauty.”

“Um...you know churches are "private" right? I mean they are not publicly funded....as opposed to the ever failing government schools that teach the RELIGION of Environmentalisim.”

“Right. Environmentalism is a religion, and Christian creationism is science.

Mosquitoes are too small to fly, computers run on fairy dust power, and there's a little midget in my refrigerator turning the light on and off.

Republicans believe in smaller government, Iraq was a threat to the US, and Sarge has left forever.”