Alabama Outdoors wants to use one of my photos

“They want to use one of my Sipsey pics from WebShots for their website.
Alabama Outdoors is one of the better gear stores in Alabama.
They asked permission and asked how I would like to be credited.

What's the usual thing for this?

I'm thinking of saying yes and asking for a good discount in their stores.


http://community.webshots.com/photo/99603145/99604740aOQrDD

Kinlock Falls
Sipsey Wilderness AL - Nov 7-9, 2003

This was a quick trip Divinity and I made a couple of years ago.
First time we ever met, and this lady was brave enough to backpack with a TT stranger.
last edited: 1/12/06 5:42:35 PM”

“email Windwalker, Hikin Mike, Buck or Tango about that they got.

Congrats on getting a picture selected
last edited: 1/12/06 5:53:01 PM”

“Don't settle for less than one meeeeellion dollars.”

“Are you holding your pinky up to your lips as you type that, Buck? LOL”

“Congrats, that's a nice photo.”

“http://www.cpostores.com/aloutdoors/about.htm
Alabama Outdoors”

“That's really cool, congrats! I wouldn't ask for a discount, I'd ask for a full-on credit. How much depends on to what extent they are using your photo. I have a few of my images being used on websites but I'm happy to let them use it for free because they're not big commercial ventures. Is it a prominent photo used on the front page of their website for a long period of time, or a small image on one of the other pages? Shirley their markup is high so if you ask for a $100 credit, it only costs them like $50, depending on the type of item. Or you could just be greatly honored and not ask for anything. You'll still get plenty of chicks out of the deal.
last edited: 1/12/06 6:09:46 PM”

“Very nice SS, hold out for the big bucks.”

“you might want to check with lizs also stovie. if you need gear(and what backpacker doesn't) i would ask for a years worth of discount. then we can all let ya know what we want and you can get it for us with your discount.
i would like :
titanium tea kettle
mhw phontom 32* sleeping bag
and maybe a lighter weight tent or tarp.”

“If it were me, I'd use my photo as financial leverage for a hostile takeover attempt of Alabama Outdoors. If you succeed, just don't ask anyone else to use their photo for your website. You can learn from this.
last edited: 1/12/06 7:54:27 PM”

“Yea, what Buck said”

“Congratulations Stovey!!!


And let us all know how that works out with all the chicks!”

“If you don't mind me asking, how did the offer come about?”

“Out of the blue....
An email.”

“Stovey, for a website, hmmmm... ?

I'm not up on prices any more but perhaps $25 to $50? (you other photographers let me know if I'm off on this!)

And maybe hit them up for a gift certificate in addition or as part of the pay?

Get whatever you can get! They want your photo. They're a business. Make'm pay! Don't just say, "Oh shucky darn you want my photo." Photographers need to get paid for their efforts.”

“"Photographers need to get paid for their efforts"

That's what I keep telling my dad, every week he takes pictures around town, mostly church related activities and submits them to the local paper, I think each week the majority of the pictures in the paper are his, he says "I do it because I think it's cool to see my pictures in the paper" or somethin like that.”

“Thanks lizs!
That is exactly the kind of info I need.”

“I just had Iowa State pay me $50 for five photos that could be used anywhere. They posed it as, "Hey we have a story on someone in your area that you could use if you can get us photos."

yadda yadda. The story was available to ALL MEDIA! I shoulda went for more money! The photos were available to news media all over. I had a photo in the Des Moines Register. And who knows where else?

I got a contract from Successful Farming, which is a big farming magazine, to run a photo or photos in there. And I blew my chance at more money. Man, I shoulda made ISU pay more!!! Live and learn....

Now a private land stewardship group wants a couple of the photos and offered $25 each. I'm offering them photos that I did not give to ISU, although they're similar shots. The offer was $25 apiece, which I figured, yeah, OK, they're shots I had on hand anyway.

Pricing is an inexact science unless you're really familiar with what people are getting.”

“Simer, geez! The paper is using him! He needs to be getting maybe $10 or so a photo... or something!

Because he is doing that, some photographer who needs a job and needs money to live doesn't have a job. So your dad needs to be paid to level the playing field for all photographers.

Freakin' Lanesboro is using ME!! They wanted a photo of an Amish buggy on a country road that I took to use on their website. I merely asked that I be credited and that if they wanted to run it elsewhere, that I be notified.

I heard nothing more from them, although it's feature prominently on their tourism guide, a postcard, a relocation postcard and their website. ARGGGGH! I should be getting a bunch of moola from them!

Check the photo on the header:
http://www.lanesboro.com/lanesboro-rootrivertrail.html
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“I just picked up the paper to check out my story - 5 pictures out of 7 in the paper were taken by my dad, and one of the one's he didn't take because he's in it, the "pay" that he's gotten is a subscribtion.
last edited: 1/12/06 11:57:46 PM”

“For a magazine, to run one time, 1/2 to 1/4 page, I wouldn't take less than $150-$300, depending upon location and which magazine.

For a web publication, I'd consider how long they want the license for. Remember, you're not giving them the copyright, you're merely letting them use your work for whatever terms you agree upon. Also to consider is if they want exclusive rights to the photo. In which case the price just went way up. All things to consider.

My local paper will run garbage in their paper for free before they will pay a pittance for a spectacular shot of the same subject. And the funny thing is, I think they figure they're really making out like bandits.

Lizs, unless these people have a written contract with you, signed by you, granting them unlimited use, you do have recourse to recover your losses for their use of that buggy photo. And it extends way beyond just making them take it down or stop using it. You are entitled to monetary remuneration.”

“this lady was brave enough to backpack with a TT stranger.
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StoveStomper
5:34:56 PM
1/12/06

...some call me an idiot!!!

Congratulations Stovy........Sipsey is such an awesome place!!!!!...and you always take great pics!!!!...and I love the Alabama Outdoors store they usually have a nice selection for backpackers!!!!”

“Stovey that is GREAT!!! And very nice pic!!!”

“Divinity is the reason I took the pic. I never knew the place was there by the road. She showed it to me.

Alabama Outdoors came back and said no do on paying or a gift card, they will use another picture from someone else.

I sat tight and the next day the guy emailed me again and said he got permission to give me a $50 gift card for the photo. Hee hee hee....

They are going to use my pix on the front page of their website.
Kewl Beans!

Hey lizs! Does this make me a Professional Photographer now??? ;-)”

“congrats ss”

“You're on your way, SS. Congrats! Way to hold tight. I'd hate to play poker with you. (HEY, NONE of THOSE jokes!! lol)

Now, where are the photos of Deore DX? He took enough of YOU! hehehehee”

“Liz baby wants pics of me? Hubba hubba...”

“;-P

hubba!”

“lizs, lot's of DDX photos on my trip photos I just uploaded.
See the No Longer a TT Trip Virgin thread. ;-)
http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/42198,3.php
last edited: 1/16/06 1:07:49 PM”

“So where can I find all the pictures of Liz then?”

“They probably went and priced stock photography from one of the big houses like Getty or Superstock.

They want how much!!!!
Email that guy back and give him a gift card!
LOL.”

“http://www.cloudwalkersbasecamp.com/lizs_baby.html

Here's some lizs photos.”

“Hey SS how did they get to see your photo? My buddy has some to share with them! :)”

“http://www.aloutdoors.com/

It's up.”

“awww, isn't that nice..even gave props to you..congrats”

“.....and next time I zip thru B'ham, I have a $50 store credit waiting on me!”

“Very awesomely cool, SS...it is a beautiful photograph and worth more than $50 but exposure is priceless and your name is very easy to read on their website...hope you get more offers...it's my dream to earn my living as a photographer...”

“Thanks mata, but I'm not a real photographer like Buck, WindWalker, lizs, ect.. I just play one on TT.”

“Windy, Buck and HikinMike play one in the Sierra and, in Lizs case, wherever...LOL...”

“Congrats SS, that's pretty cool!!!”

“congrats Kev!”

“Smart move SS, take the money and run. This is about the right payment for a Mag. or cat.. Oh yea, your a photographer now like or not. an artist mmm maybe not.”

“What did you get out of the deal?”

“ok... i see now.. $50.”

“My latest paid shot. Go here and scroll down:

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051219/NEWS02/512190330/1004

And here, another of the series I shot. As you'll notice, the poor guy died in a car accident less than one month after he earned his degree.

http://www.ag.iastate.edu/aginfo/news/2005releases/serfling.html
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“Nice picture, congrats and all that, but $60 off on the Osprey Atmos 50 ($139). Heck of a durable, 3000 ci light pack (2lbs 11 oz, I think)? Someone go buy it.”

“SS - the alabama outdoors website has you featured front and center. This week they're clearancing out winter equipment. It'd be a good time to cash it in.”

“Hey dayhiker, where is this 'Greystone' location they list?
I figure I'll swing by a store before your Sipsey trip, cash in my store credit, and probably leave a lot more money there in addition.”

“at the corner of Hwy 280 and 119.”

“that looks sharp SS, congrats!”