Jill Carroll

“Jill Carroll, a journalist who is captive in Iraq, previously wrote this about a friend in Iraq.

The only thing we can say now is at least she died doing what she wanted, doing what she really, really believed in. If she were still here, she'd be most worried now about her driver's family and who will take care of all the other Iraqi families she was working with.
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21780/

Very similar to her predicament. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/17/iraq.journalist/index.html

Let's pray she makes it out unharmed.”

“back a couple of years ago some Korean aid workers were kidnapped.


They were threatened with death unless Korea withdrew its 3000 troops (mostly on the ground in logistical support capacities).


I always thought, and think to this day, that the Koreans should have doubled up.

They should have gathered 3000 hardened combat troops off the frontlines of the DMZ and gone house to house with them looking for their folks.”

“Risky!”

“I gotta agree, Mutt.

Risk of escalation, of civilian casualties and the consequent rise in anger and feeling the need for retribution by civilians.......


Quagmire”

“Reports are starting to leak that she has been executed by her captors in video. I have no doubt that we will blame Bush, the US and ourselves rather than the animals who kill women in cold blood.”

“Not me. I'm blaming Ray Nigan.”

“Deadline Passes With No Word of Reporter By PAUL GARWOOD, Associated Press Writer
10 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. negotiators were working around the clock to secure the release of hostage American journalist Jill Carroll as a deadline set by militants threatening to kill her passed Friday with no word on her fate.... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060120/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_journalist_21;_ylt=AoT1xOTcWQ5JOQztNmIVKmlX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl”

“How many journalists have been killed in Iraq & Afghanistan?”

“don't know but the article says this: "More than 240 foreigners have been taken captive and at least 39 killed since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that toppledSaddam Hussein."”

“The Christian Science Monitor is Great. Too bad Christian Scientists are certifiable.

How'd that happen?”

“has anyone heard anything about her recently?

This was just posted on Yahoo.

U.S. Military Releases Iraqi Women By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer
30 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military released five Iraqi women detainees Thursday, a move demanded by the kidnappers of an American reporter to spare her life, but an official said the release was coincidental.

The women were freed from U.S. custody and delivered to the home of a senior Sunni Arab politician in Baghdad, where they were returned to their families, according to an Associated Press photographer at the scene. They were later driven away in taxis.

Armed men who abducted Jill Carroll on Jan. 7 in Baghdad have threatened to kill the freelance reporter for the Christian Science Monitor unless all Iraqi women prisoners were freed.

David Cook, the Washington bureau chief for The Christian Science Monitor, said: "We've seen the reports. We're waiting to see if there are hopeful developments in Iraq."

He declined further comment.

The U.S. military announced earlier that the women would be freed as part of a group of about 420 Iraqis to be released Thursday and Friday from military custody after reviews of their cases determined there was no reason to detain them further.

The military had confirmed it was holding nine Iraqi women. The fate of the remaining four was not immediately clear. Another two women were detained Wednesday in the northern city of Mosul for alleged insurgent activities, the military said Thursday....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060126/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_060126160351;_ylt=Av9ipQIy7nz85Ja_wRa5.vFX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl”

“is the US letting the Iraqi women go in hopes that the insurgents release Ms Carroll?”

“that's sexism, dammit!”

“

VIDEO: KIDNAPPED U.S. REPORTER MAKES TEARFUL PLEA

CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR'S Jill Carroll appeared in a new video aired on Al-Jazeera, weeping and appealing for the release of women Iraqi prisoners... Developing...”

“s-rge you must have missed my post from a few days ago. The US has already released 5 Iraqi women that it had been holding.”

“Do they 'Pope' check them before release”

“I thought we didn't negoiate with terrosists?”

“We don't WK. There is no connection between their request and released prisoners. It's even more obvious now since most were already released and this is coming out after the fact.”

“I think there are other american journalists being held. Too bad they aren't as young or as cute. I mean, too bad for them.”

“WK, it is just coincidence that the US released 5 Iraqi women last Thursday.”

“We don't WK. There is no connection between their request and released prisoners. It's even more obvious now since most were already released and this is coming out after the fact.”
Sarge

If this wasn't already such a sad situation.


Sarge --

we negotiate with terrorists every day of the week. Every administration. Every NSA every CIA.


It is a simple fact. It is a politically neutral fact.

In ANY hostage situation you must open up SOME dialogue between the two parties. Whether the dialogue takes place directly, or through intermediaries or even through the media.

I am making a truly non-partisan statment when I say you are absolutely naive if you don't think the release of the Iraqui women hostages were directly related to the capture of Jill Carroll.


I will make a slightly more partisan statement (although I think it would hold true for any administration trying to prosecute this war) that the Bush administration can't afford to have Jill Carroll represent another failure in the media . .. and I would further argue that her captors Can't afford to kill her because of the bad press they would get.


The easiest solution is to have some arguably disconnected releases of women iraqi prisoners.

Not 100 % releases . . but releases that can be justified as not negoiating while allowing the captors to get a portion what they want.


You can't really believe that the release was random???? or just about to happen anyway??? can you??”

“A US citizen, writing for the Christian Science Monitor in Iarq? That's a deathwish if I ever saw one.

I hope they release her, and the four evangelical whack jobs too.”

“lee - I typed an response, but you're going to believe what you want to believe, regardless of the facts. The process of releasing 424 detainees takes time, and started before Jill Carroll was even captured. Believe what you want.”

“Lee, you know the US gov't wouldn't lie to you (rolling eyes)”

“Dont recall where jsut read it (today) about the US meeting with sunni insurgent/terrorist leadership in the Anbar province of Iraq and I think Jordan. We do negotiate with terrorists. Maybe not exactly how they'd like but we do meet and we do discuss their demands. Didnt Carter agree to allow the americans in Iran to be held till Ron was sworn in. My history is touchy for that time being 8 and all..”

“birch - If you find that, I'd like to read it. I think meeting with them and negotiating are two different things.”

“birch, is this what you are talking about

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11079548/site/newsweek/”

“We've been doing that since the beginning of the war.

Negotiating with terrorists in this sense isn't giving into their demands. Negotiating isn't compromising guys ...”

“like you said believe what you want”

“I meant my comments in the context of Birch's.

There is always some dialogue, at some level, going on. There has be some channels to communicate with folks, no matter how disagreeable.

I don't believe that identifying the 6 (9?) women prisoners we hold, and determining whether they were appropriate for release would take more then 1/2 day if the call came from the right office.”

“lee - We have been releasing women prisoners and prisoners in mass quantities for the past couple of months.”

“ewker, that looks about right.

I never mentioned compromising (though we do at times) but we are negotiating and in that process we will inevitably soften our stance in some areas and not in others. That is the nature of any negotiation, if it werent, and we refused to alter our stance there really wouldnt be a point in even talking.

I dont see compromise as a weakness. I see it as a process of prioritizing and refining ones stance. This can actually strengthen ones side by getting down to the root or base issues.

That all being said. I hope that some friendlies are able to find Ms carroll and are able to expedite the trip to allah for those who took her.”

“That is the nature of any negotiation, if it werent, and we refused to alter our stance there really wouldnt be a point in even talking.

Not true. Some people need extra help to understand their options. Anyways, the negotiations are not just between us and the insurgents. That's an oversimplification of the purpose and a mischaracterization of the talks which has led to your misunderestimating our strategic plan.”

“potatoe potato

...your misunderestimating our strategic plan...LOL.”

“:-)”

“BAGHDAD, Iraq - American reporter Jill Carroll was set free Thursday, nearly three months after she was kidnapped in a bloody ambush that killed her translator. She said she had been treated well.

Carroll, 28, was dropped off near offices of the Iraqi Islamic Party. She walked inside, and people there called American officials, Iraqi police said.

"I was treated well, but I don't know why I was kidnapped," Carroll said in a brief interview on Baghdad television.

Her family thanked "the generous people around the world who worked officially or unofficially" to gain her freedom. Her father, Jim, told CNN he was asleep in his North Carolina home when the phone rang at about 6 a.m.

"Hi, Dad. This is Jill. I'm released," the voice on the other end said.

No details were given about the circumstances surrounding her release. The U.S. ambassador said there was no ransom paid by the American embassy, but his remarks left open the question of whether "arrangements" were made by others.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060330/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_carroll_released;_ylt=Atj1oQeoOmdVH5NqJ9hmYN6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--”

“A victory for Violin. The terrorists treated her well. Of course! She's one of them. Now let's see what kind of spying she does for them.”

“Maybe they did a Ronnie Reagan and traded weapons(with the enemy) for hostages.”

“I thought you were praying that she wouldn't be harmed? I would think this would be good news for everyone.”

“Who said it wasn't Violin?

It's just odd for everybody (yes, I can speak for everybody, even though only some will admit it) that you would post this except to point out how nice the terrorists are.”

“So you would have been happier if she were beaten or beheaded?

Every single world event doesn't have to become some sort of political contest.”

“"I was treated well, but I don't know why I was kidnapped,"

I think they must have beat her stupid. She might need an MRI.

Or maybe she should go back and do a story on why people are kidnapped?”

“Every single world event doesn't have to become some sort of political contest.”
Violin
2:00:54 PM


It's amazing the words that come out of the Vile Man's fingers sometimes!
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

“Yeah, right Violin. Tapdance out of this, but we all know your sympathetic views towards terrorists.”

“I don't think any Americans sympathize with terrorists. Well, beside IRA or Israeli terrorists. But they're Freedom Fighters, not Terrorists.”

“Put down the crack pipe, Sarge!!

"Yeah, right Violin. Tapdance out of this, but we all know your sympathetic views towards terrorists."

In your dreams!!!”

“she's hot, BTW”

“I'm sorry MarkO. Did I offend your gay lover?”

“s-rge, i thought you never started it and were above name-calling?”

“oh thats right, youre "holding up a mirror"

youre excused”