LOW FAT FOODS

“Pesticide 'taint just on the surface. ;)”

“I have a list of the most-contaminated and least-contaminated (by pesticides) of non-organic fruits and veggies! Fun times.

MOST CONTAMINATED FRUITS
#1 (Most Contaminated): Peach
#2: Strawberry
#3: Apple
#4: Nectarine
#5 Pears
#6 Cherries
#7 Red raspberries
#8 Imported grapes (Chile, Mexico, etc.)

MOST CONTAMINATED VEGGIES
#1 Celery
#2 Spinach
#3 Potatoes
#4 Sweet Bell Pepper

LEAST CONTAMINATED VEGGIES
Sweet corn
Avocado
Cauliflower
Asparagus
Onions
Peas
Broccoli

LEAST CONTAMINATED FRUITS
Pineapples
Mangoes
Bananas
Kiwi
Papaya”

“Pesticide 'taint just on the surface. ;)”
bearmagnet
2:58:05 PM
1/26/06

LOL...I do wash my fruits and veggies and have heard of using soap, but the idea that you can wash of pesticides never set well with me.

Try this - soak broccoli in a bowl of water and see how many worms float to the top. Maybe it has to be home grown to work...

lips, the carcinogens mentioned were not from pesticides, but they aren't in high enough amounts to call broccoli "cancerous."”

“Just cause someone works for some agency doesn't mean what they say is true... Sorry bear, but back up your fiance's statements with some studies/articles by scientists and I'll listen.

PS, the milk commercials do say that milk as part of healthy diet, blah blah. Show me a study that says milk/dairy products are bad for you (other than being allergic or lactose intolerance.)”

“Now this is interesting:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/01/000127082535.htm”

“Uh, milk that is produced by cows that are treated with BST contains small amounts of blood and puss due to the stress on the cows' systems by the BST.”

“Gross!
keep it up and I'll have to talk about underwire bras!”

“MarkO, that statement is based on what scientific study?

If I was a college professor I'd have to give you guys all F's for not citing references. LOL!”

“Hey, nobody said this was for a grade!”

“Pixie - She doesn't work for an "Agency". She works for an Independent Research Org.

I can't site the material without revealing too much info about her.

If you don't want to believe Organic is not better for you fine. But maybe you should research it? ;)

Anyone who is really interested in Organics/sustainable environment may email me and I'll give you a link to the Org she works for, if she approves.

The data, however, is not free. But you might find it through Google for free. They don't really go after copyright violators.
last edited: 1/26/06 3:37:25 PM”

“Organization, whatever. I didn't really say organic was better or worse. I just don't think taking someone's word for it the truth, especially via someone via someone over the internet. If I believed everything I heard, I'd think Tang crystalized in your stomach forever (my friend's mom told me that when I was 13.)”

“Fair enough pixie. I'll ask her about sources. uh..........what are we debating again?

Pesticides are bad or Organics are good? LOL!”

“I just don't think taking someone's word for it the truth, especially via someone via someone over the internet.

ditto!

I was thinking the same thing when that guy came on TT looking for info on wild foods and decided to start a web site. He didn't know anything himself, but was going to post stuff people told him.

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“I'm not even debating really. But I am still questioning where someone said milk was bad for you... I tried to find a scientific article on it and all I could find was that it sometimes can cause teenage acne.... I even debunked my own opinion about lactose intolerance by finding two articles stating to drink milk to get rid of lactose intolerance. LOL!

Exactly twig.

I also tried to find an article supporting something my friend who works for Fisheries and Wildlife told me: farm raised shrimp is actually better for the environment. Unsuccessful. Can't remember what he said or who did the research, but I think it was something like the method to harvest wild shrimp messes up the ocean floor and kills other animals. Sorry I have nothing to back that statement up.”

“According to this dog food site that sells organic dog food w/organic grains, a field has to be free of having grown anything with pesticides for 3 years. I have no idea if that is really long enough to leach the dirt of pesticides.

In my organic food store (for people), the woman there said pollen and dust from pesticide fields can blow into organic fields, nevermind overspray, though I think there is supposed to be some sort of barrier in distance from an organic field from a sprayed field to be considered organic.”

“You can probably find sites on the internet that says smoking cures cancer.

The problem is digger through the tons of crap to find a legitimate site.”

“Well, I have found with internet sites for dog info, you can find so much conflicting info. You really have to know what the source is.

My husband saw a show that said that a research project can give a positive report on a product and you see who funded it and it's not connected to the product, but then if you look back further, you find that it is funded by the company that wanted the information to come out in a positive light for their companies products. So there can be a 2nd party funding the research.”

“twig, I am very interested in your "worm" comment about broccoli since that is one of the few veggies I eat. Over the years, I will eventually find this small worm that is the color of the broccoli stem and it's still moving!!! After such a sighting, I don't eat broccoli for a long time.

I have always brought non organic broccoli, but are you saying that there is a better chance of finding worms in organic broccoli, because they don't use pesticides?

I think I'm losing my appetite and I was going to make an Italian dish called broccoli and macaroni today. I already bought the broccoli.”

“pixie - "farmed" shrimp does as much enviro damage as wild. They're just penned in.

Organic farms pass extremly stringent "regulations" to be certified free of pesticides, chemicals, hormones, antibiotics. this is why the food is relativly expensive.

And, for an example, Corn products can not be certified GMO free by any grower because of GMO corn being spread in the wind.”

“I'm looking at Lyra's list and wondering if it helps to peel things that you can peel to not ingest so many pesticides???

You know how people say that there are a lot of vitamins in the skin of fruits and veggies, but one can always skin things and take a multi-vitamin.”

“All the cooking shows this weekend featured superbowl foods like chili, so I'm making it with a sirloin tip roast that I'll cut into chunks like you're making beef stew. You don't have to use chopmeat to make chili.

I won't eat the beef in it and just have the beans w/a measured amount of rice to stay on my diet. I'm adding in great northern beans, pink beans and black beans. You also don't have to use just one type of bean.”

“Costco has a site that tells you what's in the food the sell at their counter. I was surprised to see the berry sundae has no dairy. I can't even figure out what makes it what it is, but it's low cal along with the yogurt:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=costco+%2Byogurt+&btnG=Google+Search”

“I tried 2 Healthy Choice low cal meals. The chicken alfredo w/broccoli was excellent at 300 calories. I added extra broccoli to it and a sprinkle of grated cheese.

The other one was a smaller chicken w/rice and cheddar cheese w/broccoli and carrots. It was only 260 calories. I added broccoli to this also and a measured amount of rice since there was enough sauce to cover the extra stuff I added in.

The Smart Ones (Weight Watchers) pizza (new bistro one w/crispier crust) was good at I think it was about 330 calories.”

“Here you go.

Take diced Green, Red and Yellow Peppers, (if you want put some chopped up chicken in it) season with Italian seasoning, sautee in olice oil, garlic, and crushed red pepper. Top some pasta with it.

You can use the topping for a salad too.....”

“The thicker the pasta you use, the less oil you need to cover it. Something like angel hair will suck up so much oil.

Also, the quicker you eat it, the less oil you need. If pasta stands with not enough oil or any type of sauce you are using, it will dry up to a degree.”

“Low-Fat Diet's Benefits Rejected
Study Finds No Drop In Risk for Disease

By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 8, 2006; A01

"Low-fat diets do not protect women against heart attacks, strokes, breast cancer or colon cancer, a major study has found, contradicting what had once been promoted as one of the cornerstones of a healthy lifestyle.

The eight-year study of nearly 50,000 middle-age and elderly women -- by far the largest, most definitive test of cutting fat from the diet -- did not find any clear evidence that doing so reduced their risks, undermining more than a decade of advice from many doctors."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/07/AR2006020701681_pf.html”

“Nothing a good pot of red beans with sausage and hamhocks couldn't cure!”

“Quote from Bear's article link, "There were indications, however, that women who cut down on saturated fat, or who ate more fruits and vegetables, did lower their risk."

So there is a benefit based on what types of fat you decrease in your diet which only makes sense. I love my olive oil. I'm glad that it's one of the better oils to ingest.”

“I was looking for a website that would give me the ingredients in those dinners (so I could back up the "chemical!" comment I wanted to make, and found this instead...

http://www.grocerylists.org/”

“I've seen that before, twiggy...funny! I like the one that just says "MILK." Like they're going to forget one single thing? LOL! Also I don't know how people can shop when they don't put things in the right categories...all the fruits/veggies scattered all over the page and whatnot.”

“Yes, LH, cutting out saturated fat cannot be bad.

And Organic, grass fed animals are low in saturated fats........and high in Omega 3! ;)
last edited: 2/08/06 1:48:31 PM”

“lyra, I like the comments made next to the lists - "standard PMS list" LOL!”

“bear, I rarely eat any animal protein, so I'm not too concerned about that, but I do consume some veggies but am also concerned about finding bugs or worse, not finding the bugs in broccoli from not using pesticides when it's organic. Broccoli is what I eat most. Those little green worms scare the bejesus out of me. They are still alive when you see them too, yuck. It turns me off of broccoli for at least a year and that's with the regular broccoli, not organic. I haven't seen one in years.”

“We don't find green worms in our broccoli. Although we buy our broccoli loccoli.

Sorry. i felt compelled to do that. ;)

On another note - I used to buy my Groceries at Shoppers Food Warehouse. I cut open a Red Bell Pepper and found a live Moth! Too bad for him it was Winter.

but that was not an Organic pepper.”

“I don't know how a moth got in a pepper, but I do know how they get large pears in small bottles of liquor:)”

“Actually, I'm much larger than a pear, and I'm getting into a bottle of Jose Cuervo this weekend! One shot is 115 calories and shots are much better to do instead of mixing alchohol with other liquids that contain extra calories.”

“I grew broccoli in my garden for a few years and it's amazing how those green worms (cabbage worms) find it. You never see them in the yard until you plant broccoli and it draws them like a magnet. They also lay large egg masses on the broccoli which is even worse than the worms.

Twigeater mentioned soaking it in warm water and that does release the worms so they float off the stalks. I used to put salt in the warm water too. I gave up planting broccoli not only because of the cabbage worms, but because it would draw woodchucks into the yard and they love broccoli. Between the bugs, critters and birds it wasn't worth the headaches. The farmers must spray broccoli heavily because I don't know how they would deal with the worms otherwise.
last edited: 2/08/06 7:55:19 PM”

“The farmers must spray broccoli heavily because I don't know how they would deal with the worms otherwise.
last edited: 2/08/06 8:55:19 PM”
RichB
8:54:17 PM
2/08/06

That's why organics are so expensive. ;)

For example: This year, the local couldn't keep Japanese beetles off their bluberry plants. Created a shortage and a huge cost increase.”