How cheap is your local Gasoline?

“No such thing as cheap gas in these parts. I just grin and bear it and hope that some day it will get back to $2.20.

Funny a year ago I was grinning and bearing it hoping gas would get back to $1.60

But to make a point that a year ago Beer in a small town bar cost $2.50. Same bar today is $2.50. It was also $2.50 three years ago. So when People beeyotch its because of the rapid increase.”

“If you need gas, buy it in the morning. It will cost more on the way home at night.”

“I think about a week ago the media was talking about $3.00 a gallon gas this summer. They better revise that to $5.00 a gallon gas this summer.”

“I saw $2.96 in my home town yesterday. It is a record for us. I can't help but think every day, from now on will only be "another recod day". Get used to it y'all.
Two guarantees about gas:
A. It's not goin down.
B. It's not gonna stop goin up.

I know, it still sucks though.”

“If you need gas, buy it in the morning. It will cost more on the way home at night.”
Geobeet
2:29:09 PM
4/20/06

There's some truth to that. It was up to $3.08 tonight.”

“So when People beeyotch its because of the rapid increase.”flasher
2:06:19 PM
4/20/06

Point taken. And I do feel for people that depend on a car for long commutes. But overall, I still think Gas is cheap.

And I used to commute 35-40miles/day for years. But I had other options besides a car.”

“2.87 here, but my car gets great milage so it aint as bad as thems with SUV's and P/U's.”

“I'm seeing more people discussing price gouging by oil companies on TV. It gives you that Enron feeling when the guys were laughing on the phone about the price of electricity in California.
last edited: 4/20/06 8:08:33 PM”

“About $2.80 in Jersey. Expected to keep rising about $.10/gal/week until significant reductions in demand are shown...

Alternative fuels may help the global warming cause if we can actually get off of fossil fuels (including coal -- that's the biggie), but I wouldn't expect to stabily pay much less than we're paying now to keep our cars running even if alternative fuels are eventually deployed. Barring supply limits, coal, natural gas, and petroleum-based gasoline/diesel are still by far the cheapest fuels to obtain.

Add to that the 9.5 billion people in China starting to now drive cars instead of ride bicycles everywhere, and this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. IMHO, until we can develop a ground-breaking new way to cheaply generate massive amounts of energy, the days of ridiculously cheap energy are over -- squandered in the 20th century...
last edited: 4/20/06 9:46:13 PM”

“Just paid 47 bucks to fill up my Pathfinder.”

“And I used to commute 35-40miles/day for years. But I had other options besides a car.”
bearmagnet
8:44:52 PM
4/20/06

My commute is between 35 and 40 miles one way and there are no other options besides driving. At current prices it's going to cost me over $200 just to drive to work next month. There goes the extra money I had from the raise I got at the beginning of the year.”

“some clown was charging $4.50 a gallon
now its down to $3.50


I paid $3.19 a gallon last night. I average about $65.00 every other day to fill up my work truck.”

“I cost me about 28 bucks to fill up my Nissan and I can drive all week on a tank. But, you know, I am using my bike for getting around town now.....and I get exercised too.”

“We can get gas for $2.73/gal here in town. Over by the airport (twenty minutes away...but I'm going there tonight anyways), it's running $2.62/gal.

I just found a little button on my shifter that turns my overdrive off to increase mileage in the city. I really really am liking my little car. Last weekend I fit a massage table, massage chair 9x9 easy up awning, two stools and a child's lawnchair, a cooler two milk crates full of stuff, three gallons of water, kayak paddle, pfd, and all Birch's race gear plus three people in the car. The kayak and bike were on the outside. And we still got 31mpg.”

“When I was going to school years ago, I bought a little Daihatsu. It was a three door, had a three cyl. engine and five speed, and got 55 miles to the gallon. They quit selling them in the US. I traded it in on a mazda but wish I had kept it now. I'm lookin for a used one but chances are slim now.”

“2.87 I say Presidential Order, Sink Wells in ANWR, and off the coast of Florida. If they don't like it, bump up the gas in the states that refuse to contribute to twice the national average.”

“Does anyone else find it ironic that the same people #&%!$ing about fuel prices are often the ones that see no need in securing the free flow of oil to the world?”

“2.87 I say Presidential Order, Sink Wells in ANWR, and off the coast of Florida. If they don't like it, bump up the gas in the states that refuse to contribute to twice the national average.”
XL400236
6:41:14 AM
4/21/06


why?? what makes you think it will lower the price? The oil coming from Alaska now doesn't come here, it comes to Japan, China, every place but here. Supposedly in the bill to drill ANWR our Representatives here finally decided that any oil taken from there has to be sold to the US. Just think what if that had done that back before the pipeline was built yrs ago.

Oil companies are screwing the American people right now. They use any and every excuse to raise the price.”

“Ewker I know the idea of supply and demand may be a bit foriegn, but if we increase the available supply...it follows that. Additionally can anyone tell me why of the limited gas refineries in the country some are SHUTTING DOWN/

Answer; there are 55 different fuel Blends to meet enviornmental wackiness levels. You have to shut down the failities to transfer over to the grades for the hot summer months ahead. Meaning...there is a shortage of actual GAS in the system.”

“Crude oil just topped $75 a barrel. Gas was $2.89 this morning. I wonder what it will be when I get home tonight.”

“$2-freaking-85

(there, I was nice and edited out the OTHER "F" word I managed to stutter out)
last edited: 4/21/06 1:19:03 PM”

“I'm getting one of these next week:


40 mpg and free clown shoes.”

“Drilling ANWAR would do NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to affect the cost of oil at the pump.


that is pure bliss ignorance talking. The same kind of ignorance that had blue colar workers who get screwed by Bushie, votie for him.



On subject: I pay 2.90 or so.


On a tangental subject.

It must suck to have a car payment on a gas guzzling SUV and the equivalent of a second car payment just to fill it with the gas to drive it.


Who the F. led americans to believe it was their god given right to drive SUVs and fill them with cheap gas.


Whining #&%!$es.”

“Who the F. put tax incentives for businesses buying the-bigger-the-better SUVs??”

“WOW lee...really? So if say the cost of WIDGETS in high and I start producing MORE WIDGETS that will not effect the price?

Thats right...if John K were EL PRESIDENTE, his wife would order the rich people to pay for it (of course with a break for tomato related wealth) (LOL). Initially the price would take a bit to stabalize but when you pump more crude, get more refineries online...and increase the production...I am jsut guessing here but the price has got to do something.”

“XL --

you are, of course, correct. If there is an over abudance of suppy, above the current demand . ..price will come down.



My arguement would simply be that, with a total projected output of a six month supply of the US annual consumption, that by the time ANWAR came on-line . . . it wouldn't appreciably increase the supply . .not enough to push down price.

Moreover, it certainly isn't the case that the ANWAR oil would be allocated to increase the domestic supply it would simply become a "bathtub" sized supply in the world's ocean of oil . . .


I gotta say . ..I have never honestly understood what the big fascination with ANWAR has been. I frankly hae written it off to Bush trying to play to his strengths (his oil background, and the "patriotism" associated with homegrown energy supply (notwithstanding that the "homegrown/home usage aspect of ANWAR is a fiction).

We'd get a lot farther requiring a couple MPHs out of the car companies in the SUV area. And it would come a lot more quickly.


I will say that the auto companies will probably get that message pretty quickly via the "market". I doubt Hummers, Expeditions and their ilk are going to be big sellers in this environemnt.


again . ..part of what irks me . .is the attitude that "its my god given right to drive a big assed truck and fuel it with cheap oil"”

“The blame for this mess is too broad to even attempt.Lee, you know Anwar is only a prize and has nothing to do with supply. Lizs,watch what you say about Arnolds Hummers.
XL, by the time Anwar oil got to the refineries we would have another 6 million illegals driving what's left of the SUV herd and would need 20 more Anwars.
last edited: 4/21/06 1:47:20 PM”

“I topped up my truck this morning on my way to Lassen, $2.95 gal.

On my way home I stopped at the same place to fill up the tank...$3.15”

“The Battle Over the Blame for Gas Prices
Firms Cite Supply Issues, Deny Abuse

By Steven Mufson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 21, 2006; A01



When Severin Borenstein drove by a Shell station in Orinda, Calif., yesterday morning, the price of unleaded gasoline was $2.99 a gallon. When he drove by five hours later, the price was $3.10 a gallon.

Borenstein has a better grasp of why that happened than most. He's a professor of business and public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and is director of the University of California Energy Institute.

"The oil side is one piece of this. The refining side is another piece of this," he said

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/20/AR2006042000594_pf.html”

“The whole oil biz.knows the party is almost over with all gasoline cars and raising money to buy out the next fuel supply ,they are pigs.”

“Gasoline will get more expensive as time goes on. We will at some time in the future run out of oil so it will continue to increse in price indefinitely. I still think that gasoline at $3.00 a gallon is pretty cheap and has had little effect on consumption thusfar. I would think when prices reach between $5 and $10 dollars the attitudes of people towards their cars will change. My wife and I have 3 cars, 260 hp V-8, 245 hp V-6 and 210 hp V-6. When we were first married in 1990 she and I both drove 4 cylinder cars that achieved over 30 mpg. Now we get 16, 17 and 20 mpg in our vehicles. We are more affluent so we can afford more car and more gasoline. I think we represent what has happened across the country and that is why consumption is up. Simply supply and demand economics. Cheap gasoline is not a right, gasoline is a for profit product.

The next generation of hybrid cars will run primarialy on an electric motor and batteries. The gasoline engine will only be used for recharging the batteries on long trips. For daily commutes the first 50 or more miles will be petro free. How you charge those batteries is your choice. Putting a generator on a stationary bike and pumping the pedals for a few hours may get you the first mile. Windmills, solar, watermills or good old nukes may make up for the rest. My commute to work is 38 miles round trip and I am a perfect candidate for an electic commuter car. I will always own a large truck with a big V-8 for towing and hauling purposes though.
The other advantage of electic motors is that they do not wear out nearly as fast as gasoline engines. Energy storage and fast recharge are the things that need improvement for electricity to replace gasoline as the primary fuel for automobiles.”

“http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102911,00.html

Journal: Here's a Buck; Fill It With Regular
Thursday, November 13, 2003
By John Moody
STORIES BACKGROUND
•Journal: In Baghdad, Hiding in Plain Sight
BAGHDAD, Iraq — Need hard evidence that, while far from perfect, life is creeping toward tolerable in Iraq? Try this: the price of a gallon of regular gasoline is 10 cents. That's right, 10 cents a gallon for gas in the land we rescued from misery and are now administering, to no one's satisfaction.

Check your credit card slip after you've filled up the next time, and ask yourself if Iraq is a hopeless quagmire.

Not only is it cheap, it's easy to get. Gasoline lines, one of the most visible of Iraqis' complaints after the U.S. invasion, have all but disappeared. And for those too impatient to swing into a gas station, the main roads around Baghdad are dotted with men and boys selling 10-gallon jerry cans of black market gas for instant tanking up.

It sells for about 30 cents a gallon. That's for black market gas. Black markets usually exist only for hard-to-get, or illegal goods.

A final proof that gas is easy to get: The streets of central Baghdad are clogged with traffic most days, a cacophony of horns, hisses and fender-kisses, like any other great metropolis in this part of the world.

The $1 fillup might not be surprising in an oil-rich country like Iraq. Saddam Hussein kept gas prices artificially low for years. The Coalition Provisional Authority (search), overseen by Ambassador L. Paul Bremer (search), knows better than to let prices spike suddenly, thus inviting the same kind of popular discontent you'd see in any American city if prices at the pump tripled. Yet this everyday aspect of life in post-Saddam Iraq gets far less attention than it deserves.”

“I watched a news program last night where they interviewed an oil analyst and he said prices could be $5 per gallon this summer in some markets with $4+ in most markets in the U.S. Who knows if it will happen before a drop in demand lowers the price, but if the price stays high for long it has got to impact the economy at some price point.

Last week, mass transit participation reached an all time high, so people are already making changes where they can.”

“How many American boys have died to provide cheap gas for Iraqis?”

“I hope it goes sky high. $5 per gallon or higher.”

““I hope it goes sky high. $5 per gallon or higher.”
karma police
8:47:08 AM
4/24/06

I hope not. I can't afford to pay $400 a month on gas to get to work.”

“Hmmm....can't you bike to work? Maybe you should consider employment closer to home?

Nothing is going to get Americans out of their cars unless prices go much higher.”

“Our "system" of transportation in the U.S., predominantly private cars, is reliant upon cheap fuel to be successful.

Cheap gasoline for many years has encouraged suburban sprawl and the ensuing commerce.

A lot of people had been barely able to afford that way of life even with cheap fuel.

Now what?

Pop goes the weasel!?!”

“Cheap gasoline is not a right, gasoline is a for profit product.
Bateauxdriver
3:21:56 AM
4/23/06

People understand it is a business. The business wants to make money for itself and stockholders.
The oil companies talk about rising cost and expensives then turn around and have profits in the million/billion dollar range. Then Congress it all its glory decides to give the oil companies tax breaks!!! That is what causes the American people to get upset.

Anyone notice how the prices dropped after it went to Congressional hearings. Gas prices have slipped back up as Congress has turned its attention to something else.

Gas prices have hurt the low income and is now making it mark on the middle class.”

“Good points made by all and no easy answers.
The things we know are this:

1. Peak Oil will force a gradual rise in pricing.
2. Oil companies are making enormous profits and are fueled by greed and the lust for wealth; however, people keep paying the prices.
3. The economy and our "way of life" is totally dependent on cheap fossil fuel. Food, drugs, transporation, basically everything.
4. Our way of life is going to see dramatic changes over the next fifty years.

My advice? Avoid the rush and start planning NOW. Work closer to home. Avoid using cars for unnecessary trips. Ride your bike. Transform your yard into a garden and learn how to grow some of your own food.”

“Work is 40 miles away. I've been looking for a job closer to home for the past 2 years and have not been able to find one. Moving closer to work is not an option because housing is too expensive. Public transportation sucks in my area. The only form of public transportation in my area is by bus. For me to get to work would require me to ride on 3 different busses for 3 hours one way and I would still have to drive 10 miles to get to the closest bus stop. I honestly don’t know what I will do if gas gets to and stays a $5 a gallon. I may have to apply for a deferment on my student loans; this would be my last resort.”

“Work is 40 miles away. I've been looking for a job closer to home for the past 2 years and have not been able to find one. Moving closer to work is not an option because housing is too expensive. Public transportation sucks in my area. The only form of public transportation in my area is by bus. For me to get to work would require me to ride on 3 different busses for 3 hours one way and I would still have to drive 10 miles to get to the closest bus stop. I honestly don’t know what I will do if gas gets to and stays a $5 a gallon. I may have to apply for a deferment on my student loans; this would be my last resort.

That's tough. All we have are buses in my area, so I started cycling. 22 miles round trip each day, but it's a nice ride through mostly shaded residential neighborhoods. Just a couple of big streets to cross.

You better start planning, because you can count on price increases over time. This is just the shot across the bow.

Good luck.”

“i'm in the exact same boat as you lumber...i've been throwing around the idea of a carpool for a while but it's tough for me cause my hours vary...i'm also trying to get them to let me go on 4 10 hour days but i don't know if that will happen”

“I for one am happy I am no longer in outside sales. When you have a job like that you have no choice but to drive. I have no idea how some of those guys survive with the gas prices like they are.

Even now I have to pick and chose where I go for a weekend backpacking trip if I even go.”

“Sales people should have their company pick up the tab. I believe the mileage allowance is now over forty cents per mile.”

“Not all companies do that. Plus some people want to use that mileage adjustment at tax time”

“I can't remember, but I think it's a little bit higher than 40 cents per mile now. I know when I have to travel to job sites I make out pretty good. The only bad thing is I don't get the money for mileage until after I get back, so I have to make sure I budget the extra money I'll need for gas.”

“Lz's problem is interesting. My first job in DC was just Outside the Beltway in Virginia, about 19 miles from my apt. It's still within Metro DC. You would think mass transit would not be a problem. I would bus to the subway and then take two more busses to work. Carpooling wasn't an option.

That would take 2.5hrs getting there. 3-4.5 hours getting back during rush hour. My job also included mandatory OT. the stop near work wasn't a covered stop and busses came 1/hr. So including transportation I spent a minimum of 13hrs at work.

I bought a car.

American Mass Transit is a joke.”

“I think karma Police has some good advice.”

“I am lucky enough to walk one mile to work and I have a BIG umbrella.
Twice I wore snowshoes part of the way since I have to cross some big lawns on the way and finish going about 1/4 mile through The Glen(a deep wooded gem on the campus).
We don't always get enough snow for that.

When I was in Vermont I drove 33 miles one way in a Bronco......16-21 miles per gallon......that sucked............gas.”