RIP Personal Responsibility

“MountingSteve"

My girls haven't called me that in years, especially since I've become old and fat.

Thanks for the memories CA ;-)”

“While the responsiblity/nanny-state dichotomy may be hyperbole, this is a very concrete example of the liberal mindset reflecting it.


I don't understand a word you just said.”

“oh go worship your sky god!
last edited: 10/31/06 9:04:42 AM”

“i agree w/ those that think the gov't shouldn't be so quick to ban - but i also agree w/ if the gov't is going to ban something, this should be on that list”
fullmoonglob
8:02:59 PM
10/30/06



ditto. why are people so upset about this? the slippery slope argument is ridiculous here. they banned lead paint and OMG, somehow industry got by. like bmag said, they ban poisons/carcinogens all the time. move along people, there's nothing to see here.”

“Did ya ever think there just might be people who LIKE trans fats? No you didn't! Because all you care about is the Collective. Screw trans fat lovers and THEIR rights!

Bigot!”

“Seriously though, how long before this same action is applied to everything that is unhealthy? When will a state ban selling tobacco?”

“I think personal responsibility would basically be impossible if things were left the way they were (restaurants not having to identify ingredients in foods, and trans-fats allowed in the food). How would you possibly know what you were eating, and how would you be able to choose whether or not to eat it?

I never, ever, ever buy anything packaged with trans-fats in it, but I don't even think about it at restaurants. I'm glad that they banned it, but if they hadn't, a mandatory listing of ingredients in restaurant foods would have been good enough for me.

However, not everyone is as well-educated and as well-off as me (haha, slightly joking). It always seems to me like junk food (most of it containing trans-fats) is the cheapest kind of food, and it's too bad that people who don't have as much money to spend on food have to deal with eating crap like that. I can't think of one benefit of people eating trans-fats, so if it was banned totally from foods, I'd be pleased as punch!”

“good points nigal!

today transfat, tomorrow all food deemed unhealthy will be gone!
next up: all religious freedoms!
then all guns!
then all colors excpet grey will banned for being too "loud"!
then all books containing the letters "f", "c", and "e"!

where will it end?!?!? we're all doomed! help!help! please someone help us all!!!

our only hope is to bring back lead paint and asbestos into every home before it's too late!!!”

“It always seems to me like junk food (most of it containing trans-fats) is the cheapest kind of food, and it's too bad that people who don't have as much money to spend on food have to deal with eating crap like that.

You got it, Lyra.

And the consequences of people eating that junk is paid for in part by us.
We are "over-feeding" the medical insurance "industry" and they don't seem to mind.
They are "eating our lunch".”

“sacco.....lets nor forget that everyperson who has eaten carrots has died.”

“Sacco has seen the light! A pistol for every crib! A colostomy for every voter! And a trans fat slushy for every child!”

“And don't forget Tetra Ethyl Lead in gasoline!!

Lead levels in our blood are getting dangerously low!!”

“Oh and a new tiara for Lyra!”

“pickles too XL! we need to ban all phallically shaped foods longer than 6 inches immediately!

seriously, i'm all for personal freedoms.
hell, if it was up to me, suicide and non-seatbelt driving would be legal.
to me this about
1. saving money (see marko's points)
2. making things easier on me as a consumer (see lyra's points)
3. not going overboard and believing this means the end of all tasty foods and all personal freedoms”

“XL-ency is just being a little Chicken Little.

>8^]”

“4. that whole thing about flies won't even eat it is pretty freaky to me. anything that flies won't eat must be somehow evil.”

“so poop is quite good ?”

“Yessss, a new tiara!”

“Hey I would approve of no seat belt laws, no helmet laws IF we can say, when the person is in a wreck, we treat you to the limit of your ability to pay. Or if you were not at fault we prorate the care to the level it would have taken IF you had been using the safety device. So if Bubba is not wearing a seat belt and gets in a wreck we treat to the level that the seat belt would have protected....when they go over that its NOT OUR PROBLEM>”

“i wouldn't know moonglo. only butterflies and hummingbirds visit my dookie”

“agreed XL.

i also believe that those found guilty of gross negligence should pay at least a portion of the costs attributed to their rescue by firemen, police, rescuers, EMTs, ect.”

“butt kisser”

“wood peckerchecker
last edited: 10/31/06 10:23:53 AM”

“I got to get an example of the real life "avoid natural consequences" years ago. There was a small South Georgia Town where everyone knew the Town leader, he ran the local factory, pretty much underwrote the bank. Heck everyone liked him. And EVERYONE knew the son...Junior as they all called him.

Well Daddy got Junior out of every scrape, DUI's, Speeding, Shoplifting etc. Then one night Junior decided to see if his corvette could go through a highway overpass at 125 mph.

Needless to say the funeral was HUGE the whole town and surrounding area turned out. The mortician had done a great job, Junior looked relativly good laying there. I remember watching as the father, a BIG bear of a guy (really he was an extremely nice guy) walked in..his heart was breaking for all to see. But he in the Good South Georgia way was holding back the tears. He walked over and put his hand on the shoulder of his son's corpse and said,"Junior, Daddy can't get you out of this one."

So how long do we protect people from natural consequences?”

“"So how long do we protect people from natural consequences?"

Fake butter ain't natural, it is an industrial convenience and it was invented in a time of primitive science.
The consequences were not known at that time.
Let's get rid of that crap and move on.

Dry your eyes, XL.
You are simply defending a lost cause for ideological reasons.

Ideo-illogical

"....a BIG bear of a guy..."
Too much tranfats and sugar!!!”

“"...I would approve of no seat belt laws, no helmet laws IF we can say, when the person is in a wreck, we treat you to the limit of your ability to pay. Or if you were not at fault we prorate the care to the level it would have taken IF you had been using the safety device...

In the state where I live, we're required to carry insurance, yet, we have still have both helmet and seat belt laws.”

“Same here...well they dropped the mandatory "uninsured Motorist" insurance requirement...now if you get pulled without insurance...you get to go party at the jail.

The problem is that there are people who will not accept responsibility. We had a lady hit one of our agency vehicles. She has no driver's license, no Insurance etc.”

“if i cant eat a deep-fried freedom twinkie at the state fair, the terrorists win”

“crash eats twinkies ...”

“your mothers a twinkie”

“oooo ...

your mothers a ...?... your mother ...?... twink ...?... a cupcake ...?... your mother eats twinkies!”

“I wonder as we begin to figure out what is healthy etc if we will start to see more and more influence of religion.”

“you can't be personally responsible for something if you are lied to about it. the food manufacturers can round down their numbers and play with serving sizes so that can say "0 grams trans-fat per serving!" when in fact you are getting 500mg or less of trans fat per serving. you can tell by the label if it has "hydrogenated" or "partially hydrogenated" this or that in the ingredients... if you see this and then "0 grams trans fat" you are getting lied to. we should have the right to expect these frankenfood manufacturers to disclose what's in these foods... an illegible ingredients list isn't enough. if they go ahead and sell their stuff now knowing what the health risks are and yet continue to use loopholes to deceive the public then they deserve every lawsuit they are going to get.”

“"I wonder as we begin to figure out what is healthy etc if we will start to see more and more influence of religion."


Uh, no pal......just the opposite.

People who take responsibility find less reason to lean on others.”

“...and deep fried twinkies rule.”

“Never had one”

“ive always been curious, but........”

“jimmy how far do we have to go to protect the idiots in our society? We all have heard the silly stuff on warning lables.”

“MarkO

You're great and I usually agree with you, but the Lead analogy doesn't hold water or gasoline. When you burn leaded fuel, you are putting the lead in everyone's lungs. When you buy fries made with trans fats, you are only messing with your own arteries.

This is why I lean towards requiring full disclosure r.e. trans fat content - put the information out there and let the people who will be affected decide. If you can prove it costs the government or those with health insurance more, let the manufacturers pay a fee.”

“Just got back in town from a visit to the Gallopagos with some old friends. We flew this time and left the Beagle at home. This discussion of eating greasy food caught my eye. Seems like there's a bit of hysteria here from some, as is usual.

On the one hand, having your government possibly take away your access to this trans fat stuff is not the end of freedom. Please! Today it's the fries, tomorrow it'll be my guns.

On the other hand, having the government prohibit a type of fat does seem a bit like a nanny state.

You don't have to eat it. It should be clearly labeled. After that, forget it. Let natural market forces eliminate the product.

The lead in gasoline anaology is very faulty. Are you just trying to show off your knowledge of lead? This hysteria about trans fat being "poison" is silly. Poison?
Likewise, the statement by someone about the makers of trans fat "stealing" from you is laughable. Stealing? From you? Do you even pay taxes? Do you smoke? Drink? Exceed the speed limit? Play on the computer at work? Hmmm? Lighten up.

Solving the world's problems, one french fry at a time.

Well, I gotta go to a barbeque with Ghandi. He's seen the light and loves ribs.”

“Besides, if we leave in the transfat we will eventually evolve and adapt to handle it better?

:D”

“"On the one hand, having your government possibly take away your access to this trans fat stuff is not the end of freedom. Please! Today it's the fries, tomorrow it'll be my guns."

I don't think anyone is thinking this is what will happen. But at the same time the erosion of freedoms is a slow and subtle thing. It is hardly noticeable when it's happening but 20-30 years down the road you look back and think, "Holy shlt. How did we get here?". So while we "give 'em an inch" types may seem like we're fringe we simply do not want the government having any say whatsoever in our lives in areas they have no power or right to be in.”

“Sure Charlie its laughable and a stretch but we are all paying for the damage the makers of transfats cause and are therefore subsidizig their profits.

No one will adapt to handle it better because its not a real food.
Its artificial food......a polymer really that behaves similarly to natural fats.
But if flies won't touch it, why should we.”

“"....the erosion of freedoms is a slow and subtle thing. It is hardly noticeable when it's happening but 20-30 years down the road you look back and think, "Holy shlt. How did we get here?".

How???

By electing Dubya!”

“How???

By electing Dubya!” - MarkO

I think it was about "American" freedoms. Not the freedoms of you and your terrorist buddies.”

“Goonmlo?????”

“Ok, thanks for that LetsGoGetKrunkDawg.

Maybe you shouldn't be making fun of other people's aliases??? Just a thought.”

“I got to agree with Nigal on this one. If the government is going to pass any kind of regulation on this, I would rather it be something that requires the food manufactures/providers to indicate what and how much trans fat is in the food. Let the people decide if they want to eat it or not.”

“When you talk about making laws...in essence you are saying what is worth having a gun stuck in your face for. I guess the side the libbies never consider is that, While you have the gun right now...there will be the day you are looking down the barrel. It is nicer if you remember that as you take control over someone else's life.”

“There are lots of things people choose to do that are legal and that cost taxpayers and/or people who pay for health insurance money.”